5900x VS 10700KF

[Tyler-UAC]

While I know the price points are vastly different on these 2 CPU's, my question is how much of an impact might be had on gaming performance by going with the 10700KF when either/both would be paired with a RTX 3080 & 16GB RAM.

 

Using the PC-BUILDS online calculator, it is showing as much as a 40% reduction in FPS by going Intel in this case. Can this be accurate when gaming at 4K?

 

5900X Config/FPS Calculator Results:

https://pc-builds.com/calculator/Ryzen_9_5900X/GeForce_RTX_3080/10q1748A/16/100/

 

10700KF Config/FPS Calculator Results:

https://pc-builds.com/calculator/Core_i7-10700KF/GeForce_RTX_3080/0YB174lu/16/100/

 

 

Interested to hear your thoughts! I just purchased a prebuilt with the 10700KF which has not shipped yet but is anticipating to arrive in a few days. I was previously considering a build with the 5900X which would have cost an additional $400-500, but was also a solid 3 months out. These calculator results have me questioning my choice.

[tkitch]

for most gaming the extra cores won't make a difference.  (You may find a random title here or there that does, but the vast majority use 8 or fewer cores.)

[Chris Pratt]

First, FPS calculators are universally BS.

 

That said, the 5900X has far better single core perf than the 10700K, far better multicore perf than the 10700K, and more cores and threads on top.

 

How much of a difference that makes is heavily dependent on the title, but generally speaking, yes you will get more FPS with the 5900X.

[Mister Woof]

Depends - Ryzen 5000 series seems to do really well in CPU benchmarks, but it isn't exactly commensurate with real-world gaming performance. 

 

It's faster - but not earth shatteringly faster. The difference between 10th/11th gen Intel core for core in games to Ryzen 5000 isn't as big as the gulf between Ryzen 3000 and Intel 8th, 9th, and 10th gen chips, despite what Cinebench will tell you.

 

I would say getting more than a 10700f for gaming these days is not really helpful unless all you play are MMOs and competitive shooters, with a high end GPU and super high refresh monitor (in the case of FPS games).

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, Chris Pratt said:

First, FPS calculators are universally BS.

 

That said, the 5900X has far better single core perf than the 10700K, far better multicore perf than the 10700K, and more cores and threads on top.

 

How much of a difference that makes is heavily dependent on the title, but generally speaking, yes you will get more FPS with the 5900X.

Seems pretty obvious, for a fair comparison you would need to compare the 11900K to the 5900X... 

[Chris Pratt]

1 minute ago, Cool_Evlo said:

Seems pretty obvious, for a fair comparison you would need to compare the 11900K to the 5900X... 

11700K, perhaps. 11900K is universally garbage. It actually gets beat by an 11700K is most cases.

 

11700K would close the gap on the single core perf, but the 5900X is still better for multicore, even without the extra cores advantage. Again, it would depend on the title. In as much as it leans towards multicore perf, the 5900X would still win.

[Mister Woof]

3 minutes ago, Cool_Evlo said:

Seems pretty obvious, for a fair comparison you would need to compare the 11900K to the 5900X... 

11900k is waste. It's worse in 90% of scenarios (even gaming) than the previous 10900k, and costs more. Even overclocking is a bit of a waste. The non-k models make a lot of sense here. 

 

The most compelling CPUs available right now:

 

Intel:

10400f/11400f (because it's cheap, paired with a mid-range GPU)

10700f/11700f (because it's cheap, paired with anything)

10850k (same as above, but if you need more cores)

 

AMD:

5600x (good budget choice, more expensive than Intel's 10400/11400, but more capable. Excellent for MMO/competitive FPS)

5800x (because it's available)

5900x (only if you really need the cores)

[Guest]

Just now, Chris Pratt said:

11700K, perhap

My point is you can't compare an i7 from last gen to a current gen R9.

[Pcman26]

Id say go with the 5900x as it is a lot faster and if your already paying that much for a 3080 might as well invest in a good cpu. If the 5900x is too expensive then the 5800x is also a good choice for just gaming. The 10700k is still a great cpu but it really only should be paired with a 3070 as it would bottleneck a stronger gpu especially at 1080p. Also you cant compare a 10th gen cpu with a 4th gen ryzen you should compare ryzen 5000 to 11th gen.

[Entropy.]

1 minute ago, Cool_Evlo said:

My point is you can't compare an i7 from last gen to a current gen R9.

You... kind of can, OP seems to just want to know if the upgrade is worth it. 

[Entropy.]

2 minutes ago, Pcman26 said:

Id say go with the 5900x as it is a lot faster and if your already paying that much for a 3080 might as well invest in a good cpu. If the 5900x is too expensive then the 5800x is also a good choice for just gaming. The 10700k is still a great cpu but it really only should be paired with a 3070 as it would bottleneck a stronger gpu especially at 1080p. Also you cant compare a 10th gen cpu with a 4th gen ryzen you should compare ryzen 5000 to 11th gen.

The 5800x is a poor choice, it's the worst choice in AMD's lineup due to it's meh thermal performance (especially for an 8 core cpu that performs like this) and it's worst core-per-dollar "ratio" in AMD's lineup. If OP is solely gaming, a 5600x or 11400f should do just fine, even with a 3080.

[Guest]

Just now, Pcman26 said:

 The 10700k is still a great cpu but it really only should be paired with a 3070 as it would bottleneck a stronger gpu 

What do you mean? I dont think even the Ryzen 5 3600 bottlenecks the 3080.

[Mister Woof]

1 minute ago, Pcman26 said:

Id say go with the 5900x as it is a lot faster and if your already paying that much for a 3080 might as well invest in a good cpu. If the 5900x is too expensive then the 5800x is also a good choice for just gaming. The 10700k is still a great cpu but it really only should be paired with a 3070 as it would bottleneck a stronger gpu especially at 1080p. Also you cant compare a 10th gen cpu with a 4th gen ryzen you should compare ryzen 5000 to 11th gen.

10700k isn't going to significantly bottleneck even a 3090 unless you have a 360hz 1080p monitor, and at 1440p it won't really matter as even with a 3090 you're still gpu limited.

 

 

[Pcman26]

Just now, Brok3n But who cares? said:

The 5800x is a poor choice, worst in AMD's lineup due to it's meh thermal performance and worst core-per-dollar "ratio" in AMD's lineup. If OP is solely gaming, a 5600x or 11400f should do just fine, even with a 3080.

True but he didnt state what games he is playing and some may perform better with 8 cores. If your ONLY gaming on single threaded games then yes get a 5600x but if your already paying for a 3080 then might aswell get a 5800x if you can afford it.

[Mister Woof]

1 minute ago, Pcman26 said:

True but he didnt state what games he is playing and some may perform better with 8 cores. If your ONLY gaming on single threaded games then yes get a 5600x but if your already paying for a 3080 then might aswell get a 5800x if you can afford it.

5800x is fine because it's not scalped to all hell and is actually selling below MSRP widely online.

 

5900x is fine if you have a microcenter, but for online sales, it's a $650 part.

[Pcman26]

3 minutes ago, Cool_Evlo said:

What do you mean? I dont think even the Ryzen 5 3600 bottlenecks the 3080.

I have a 10700k and in almost every game I get bottlenecked by it even at 1440p.

 

3 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

10700k isn't going to significantly bottleneck even a 3090 unless you have a 360hz 1080p monitor, and at 1440p it won't really matter as even with a 3090 you're still gpu limited.

 

 

It really does depend on the games you play but even at 1440p a 3090 will get bottlenecked by something like a 10700k in more cpu limited titles. Like sure in cyberpunk at 4k with max raytracing it wont get bottlenecked.

[Mister Woof]

2 minutes ago, Pcman26 said:

I have a 10700k and in almost every game I get bottlenecked by it even at 1440p.

 

It really does depend on the games you play but even at 1440p a 3090 will get bottlenecked by something like a 10700k in more cpu limited titles.

When I ran my 8700k on my 3080, it only ever bottlnecked in MMOs (which is every CPU, even a 5950x) and in CP2077 without RTX on sometimes.

 

If you're just looking at GPU utilization, there will be dips on every CPU, no matter what. Sometimes it's waiting on a network thread, loading an asset, or whatever....there will be utilization dips sometimes. Even if its just a shitty engine.

 

Chasing a 90%+ GPU utilization 100% of the time is folly.

[Pcman26]

My point is to just get a faster cpu if your building a high end system even if it doesnt bottleneck you in some titles I would just get a faster cpu as your probably paying a lot already

[Mister Woof]

Just now, Pcman26 said:

My point is to just get a faster cpu if your building a high end system even if it doesnt bottleneck you in some titles I would just get a faster cpu as your probably paying a lot already

I don't necessarily disagree, the 5800x is fine. Just disagreeing that the 10700k is some type of significant limitation right now. 

 

I would bet real money on side by side most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a 10700F and a 5950x if you turned off the FPS counter.

[Pcman26]

1 minute ago, Mister Woof said:

I don't necessarily disagree, the 5800x is fine. Just disagreeing that the 10700k is some type of significant limitation right now. 

 

I would bet real money on side by side most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a 10700F and a 5950x if you turned off the FPS counter.

I agree people wont see the difference between a 10700k and a 5950x but they also wouldnt be able to tell between a 3060 and a 3090 especially if your running an easier title. But there are reasons that people buy faster gpus and stuff. The 10700k is not a bad chip it is still a really good chip but depending on some of your games it will bottleneck. Its not a major limitation. If your only going to be playing triple a titles at 4k then the 10700k wouldnt bottleneck but if your going to be doing anything else the 5800x or 5900x will help

[Chris Pratt]

2 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

5800x is fine because it's not scalped to all hell and is actually selling below MSRP widely online.

 

5900x is fine if you have a microcenter, but for online sales, it's a $650 part.

5800X is just positioned badly. It's not enough of an upgrade over the 5600X, and there's too much of a gulf between it and the 5900X.

 

The reason I'd still recommend a 5800X, though, is because gaming is likely going to be moving to an 8 core affair very soon. Just about any new cross platform title is going to want 8 cores, or at least run a lot better with 8 core, because of the influence of the next gen consoles. I just feel buying a 6 core CPU at this point new, is putting a clock on your purchase, where you're going to be looking to upgrade much sooner than you typically would have.

 

Personally, I think the 5600X should go away, or just be relegated to productivity machines, and the 5800X should take its place in the stack. If that were to occur (which I think it will once the market settles), then it would be excellently positioned and a good value all around.

[Pcman26]

2 minutes ago, Chris Pratt said:

5800X is just positioned badly. It's not enough of an upgrade over the 5600X, and there's too much of a gulf between it and the 5900X.

 

The reason I'd still recommend a 5800X, though, is because gaming is likely going to be moving to an 8 core affair very soon. Just about any new cross platform title is going to want 8 cores, or at least run a lot better with 8 core, because of the influence of the next gen consoles. I just feel buying a 6 core CPU at this point new, is putting a clock on your purchase, where you're going to be looking to upgrade much sooner than you typically would have.

 

Personally, I think the 5600X should go away, or just be relegated to productivity machines, and the 5800X should take its place in the stack. If that were to occur (which I think it will once the market settles), then it would be excellently positioned and a good value all around.

I agree. The 5600x is still a good chip for more budget builders but if your paying this much just get a 5800x or even a 5900x if you can afford it. The reason I didnt go with a 5800x was because at the time it was a good 200 dollars more expensive then a 10700k and I was pairing it with a 3070 not a 3080 or something. And this was before 11th gen launched

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Chris Pratt said:

5800X is just positioned badly. It's not enough of an upgrade over the 5600X, and there's too much of a gulf between it and the 5900X.

 

The reason I'd still recommend a 5800X, though, is because gaming is likely going to be moving to an 8 core affair very soon. Just about any new cross platform title is going to want 8 cores, or at least run a lot better with 8 core, because of the influence of the next gen consoles. I just feel buying a 6 core CPU at this point new, is putting a clock on your purchase, where you're going to be looking to upgrade much sooner than you typically would have.

 

Personally, I think the 5600X should go away, or just be relegated to productivity machines, and the 5800X should take its place in the stack. If that were to occur (which I think it will once the market settles), then it would be excellently positioned and a good value all around.

There of course, is always the 3700X, which is only $300 right now.

[Mister Woof]

1 minute ago, Chris Pratt said:

5800X is just positioned badly. It's not enough of an upgrade over the 5600X, and there's too much of a gulf between it and the 5900X.

 

The reason I'd still recommend a 5800X, though, is because gaming is likely going to be moving to an 8 core affair very soon. Just about any new cross platform title is going to want 8 cores, or at least run a lot better with 8 core, because of the influence of the next gen consoles. I just feel buying a 6 core CPU at this point new, is putting a clock on your purchase, where you're going to be looking to upgrade much sooner than you typically would have.

 

Personally, I think the 5600X should go away, or just be relegated to productivity machines, and the 5800X should take its place in the stack. If that were to occur (which I think it will once the market settles), then it would be excellently positioned and a good value all around.

You can get a 5800x right now for $423 on Amazon. I even saw them on sale at Microcenter a few weeks ago for $369. For those prices, they're definitely worth considering over the 5600x or the 10850k.

 

The compelling argument for the 10700F is that it's almost $160 less for "get you most of the way there" levels of performance for just gaming.

[Mister Woof]

Just now, Cool_Evlo said:

There of course, is always the 3700X, which is only $300 right now.

Personally wouldn't even consider 3rd gen Ryzen myself, not when we have 5000 series and cheap Intel.

 

10700F is $269 and beats the 3700x at gaming pretty much across the board.