CPU recommendations for 3080

[TheGreatGamesby]

Hi, I recently (ish) upgraded to a 3080 FE from a 1080 and my current cpu (8700 non k) is bottlenecking a bit. Any suggestions? I get that stuff is hard to get now obviously, but I still want to get my best/moneys worth. I was also planning on getting an AIO cause I am just using the stock cooler that came with my current cpu since its a non k. Anyway, thank you in advance. 

[Guest]

So do you want to upgrade the platform or just the cpu? 

[TheGreatGamesby]

1 hour ago, ShrimpBrime said:

So do you want to upgrade the platform or just the cpu? 

the platform, sorry should have clarified.

[unclewebb]

@TheGreatGamesby Can your CPU maintain 4.3 GHz indefinitely while gaming? Have you increased the turbo power limits yet? They 8700 will run significantly better when you set the default 65W turbo power limit much higher. 

 

The Intel OEM cooler might not be able to handle what this CPU can do when the power limits are unlocked. Start shopping by getting an AIO. 

[TheGreatGamesby]

8 hours ago, unclewebb said:

@TheGreatGamesby Can your CPU maintain 4.3 GHz indefinitely while gaming? Have you increased the turbo power limits yet? They 8700 will run significantly better when you set the default 65W turbo power limit much higher. 

 

The Intel OEM cooler might not be able to handle what this CPU can do when the power limits are unlocked. Start shopping by getting an AIO. 

 

I thought that was all blocked due to it being non k?

[unclewebb]

4 hours ago, TheGreatGamesby said:

all blocked

The maximum multiplier is blocked on the non K CPUs but the turbo power limits are usually left unlocked. It depends on the BIOS version. Have a look in the BIOS for the turbo power limits option. If you cannot find a BIOS option you can always use software like ThrottleStop to increase your turbo power limits. You will see a lock icon on the left hand side of the TPL window if the BIOS has locked the power limits. 

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/download/techpowerup-throttlestop/

 

[TheGreatGamesby]

Just now, unclewebb said:

The maximum multiplier is blocked on the non K CPUs but the turbo power limits are usually left unlocked. It depends on the BIOS version. Have a look in the BIOS for the turbo power limits option. If you cannot find a BIOS option you can always use software like ThrottleStop to increase your turbo power limits. You will see a lock icon on the left hand side of the TPL window if the BIOS has locked the power limits. 

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/download/techpowerup-throttlestop/

 

Alright, thank you sm! What do i set it to?

[xg32]

17 minutes ago, TheGreatGamesby said:

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i would suggest just upgrading to zen 3 or comet lake, prolly 5800x for the pcie4+rbar support, leaving alot on the table with that 8700

[unclewebb]

32 minutes ago, TheGreatGamesby said:

What do i set it to?

Was PL1 set to 65W? That is the default value. Set both power limits sky high 4095 so they do not interfere with maximum performance. Run the built in TS Bench test to see if your cooler can handle this without the CPU getting too hot. Post a picture while testing. 

[Random_Person1234]

What's your budget?

[TheGreatGamesby]

9 minutes ago, unclewebb said:

Was PL1 set to 65W? That is the default value. Set both power limits sky high 4095 so they do not interfere with maximum performance. Run the built in TS Bench test to see if your cooler can handle this without the CPU getting too hot. Post a picture while testing. 

Ok here is the tpl power limit page, , here is the page right after the benchmark, I reached 100 Celsius during it.  

[unclewebb]

@TheGreatGamesby Was PL1 originally set to 65W? Your screenshot shows that your cooler is junk but we already knew that. What sort of temps are you seeing while gaming? Full speed for your CPU is 4300 MHz. Can you maintain that speed while gaming? Cinebench R20 would probably constantly thermal throttle with that heatsink. 

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/download/maxon-cinebench/

 

Did you disable the C states in the BIOS? You need to have at least C3 enabled in the BIOS so these locked CPUs can use the maximum multiplier when lightly loaded. Open the C States window (press the C1 button) and see if your CPU is using any C states when it is idle.

[TheGreatGamesby]

1 minute ago, unclewebb said:

@TheGreatGamesby Was PL1 originally set to 65W? Your screenshot shows that your cooler is junk but we already knew that. What sort of temps are you seeing while gaming? Full speed for your CPU is 4300 MHz. Can you maintain that speed while gaming? Cinebench R20 would probably constantly thermal throttle with that heatsink. 

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/download/maxon-cinebench/

I didnt change the pl1 to my knowledge, but I've had this for years so i may just not remember. Should I run r20 and see if i throttle?

 

[unclewebb]

1 minute ago, TheGreatGamesby said:

Should I run r20 and see if i throttle?

Sure, why not. Check the C states too when idle. Some Asus computers automatically set the power limits to 4095 in the BIOS. A CPU hitting 100°C cannot deliver maximum or consistent performance. 

[TheGreatGamesby]

4 minutes ago, unclewebb said:

Sure, why not. Check the C states too when idle. Some Asus computers automatically set the power limits to 4095 in the BIOS.

If you mean c0% by C state then its about 11% when idle. I hit 100 pretty quick in r20 then throttles to 4100mhz.

[unclewebb]

11% in the C0 state when idle is not very idle. That means you have lots of stuff running in the background on your computer that is interfering with your CPU performance. About 0.5% in C0 is normal when idle. Check the Task Manager - Details tab to find out what is slowing down your computer.

 

The C States window looks like this.

 

 

When your computer is idle, it it shows 0.0 in the top table for C3, C6 and C7; your CPU will not be able to use the higher multipliers when it is lightly loaded. The Package C States at the bottom are not important. 

[TheGreatGamesby]

4 minutes ago, unclewebb said:

11% in the C0 state when idle is not very idle. That means you have lots of stuff running in the background on your computer that is interfering with your CPU performance. About 0.5% in C0 is normal when idle. Check the Task Manager - Details tab to find out what is slowing down your computer.

 

The C States window looks like this.

 

 

When your computer is idle, it it shows 0.0 in the top table for C3, C6 and C7; your CPU will not be able to use the higher multipliers when it is lightly loaded. The Package C States at the bottom are not important. 

This is when idle. I get anywhere from 5% to 25% cpu when idle according to task manager

[unclewebb]

15 minutes ago, TheGreatGamesby said:

This is when idle

Here is a comparison of a 6 core CPU running at 4300 MHz. Cores spending 99% of their time in one of the low power C states shows that a computer is idle. You have a LOT of stuff running in the background on your computer. This can interfere with smooth game play. Have a look in the Task Manager Details tab to find out what is running on your computer and decide whether it needs to be running or not. This will help keep your temps down when gaming.

 

[TheGreatGamesby]

16 minutes ago, unclewebb said:

Here is a comparison of a 6 core CPU running at 4300 MHz. Cores spending 99% of their time in one of the low power C states shows that a computer is idle. You have a LOT of stuff running in the background on your computer. This can interfere with smooth game play. Have a look in the Task Manager Details tab to find out what is running on your computer and decide whether it needs to be running or not. This will help keep your temps down when gaming.

 

see but the thing is a lot of it is like steam ideling and things that shouldnt take a lot of cpu. Also At the top of task manager it says X% cpu usage but that is way more than the things on the list combined

[unclewebb]

58 minutes ago, TheGreatGamesby said:

task manager

The Details tab is the accurate one. The data in the Processes and Performance tabs and the graphs are bugged.

If there is anything in the Details tab list loading your CPU that you do not need running all of the time, get rid of it. If Steam is bloated and you need it, not much you can do about that. 

 

 

 

 

[TheGreatGamesby]

1 hour ago, unclewebb said:

The Details tab is the accurate one. The data in the Processes and Performance tabs and the graphs are bugged.

If there is anything in the Details tab list loading your CPU that you do not need running all of the time, get rid of it. If Steam is bloated and you need it, not much you can do about that. 

 

 

 

 

its mainly system idle process, chrome, and steam. 

[TheGreatGamesby]

6 hours ago, Random_Person1234 said:

What's your budget?

around 400 ish USD