Which one?

[Jovo]

Budget (including currency): Low but with decent gaming performance

Country: Montenegro

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Cs go, apex, maybe warzone, but these first 2 100%

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): well i found 2 one for about 430 euros and another for like 300+ euros:

 

430e:

Rx 480 used for 85e

Ryzen 5 2600 used for 110e

B450M-PRO4-F for 87e

1x8gb 3200mhz for 44e

SeaSonic S12III 550W for 55e

I got hdd so i don't need ssd bcs i don't want it rn

Raidmax F01 argb for 50e

 

300e:

Ryzen 3 2200g used for 85e

B450M-HDV R4.0 for 68e

1x8gb ram 3200mhz for 44e

SeaSonic S12III 550w for 55e

Raidmax F01 argb for 50e

 

Which one is better for this money?

 

If you want place here some builds i will look at them and say something about them. Don't recommend me intel builds.

 

[Bombastinator]

32 minutes ago, Jovo said:

Budget (including currency): Low but with decent gaming performance

Country: Montenegro

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Cs go, apex, maybe warzone, but these first 2 100%

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): well i found 2 one for about 430 euros and another for like 300+ euros:

 

430e:

Rx 480 used for 85e

Ryzen 5 2600 used for 110e

B450M-PRO4-F for 87e

1x8gb 3200mhz for 44e

SeaSonic S12III 550W for 55e

I got hdd so i don't need ssd bcs i don't want it rn

Raidmax F01 argb for 50e

 

300e:

Ryzen 3 2200g used for 85e

B450M-HDV R4.0 for 68e

1x8gb ram 3200mhz for 44e

SeaSonic S12III 550w for 55e

Raidmax F01 argb for 50e

 

Which one is better for this money?

 

If you want place here some builds i will look at them and say something about them. Don't recommend me intel builds.

 

The 2200g is a ryzen1 4 core. With a Vega apu, and The other is a ryzen+ 6core and an Rx480.  The question is does the first one constitute “decent gaming” or not.  I’m not sure either of them do really, but it’s pretty subjective.

[Jovo]

23 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

The 2200g is a ryzen1 4 core. With a Vega apu, and The other is a ryzen+ 6core and an Rx480.  The question is does the first one constitute “decent gaming” or not.  I’m not sure either of them do really, but it’s pretty subjective.

Decent for cs go and apex.

[Bombastinator]

31 minutes ago, Jovo said:

Decent for cs go and apex.

Don’t know what the requirements are for CoD warzone.   Always loved that name.  Fish battling to the death..  my suspicion is that the larger one is more likely to allow the fish fighting. I’m not sure though. It’s likely to last longer as a viable gaming system.  I feel that 4/8’s days are numbered.  The low price system can get away with a lot less PSU wattage. I don’t know if that would make things cheaper or not though.  One possibility would be to move all the way up to a b550 motherboard and another stick of memory with the cheap one (check the bios first the 2200g might not be supported) with an eye to replacing the cpu eventually with a bigger one and possibly a gpu.  More useful ports as well.  The raid Max case looks viable.  Better bones for improvement.

[Jovo]

4 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

Don’t know what the requirements are for CoD warzone.   Always loved that name.  Fish battling to the death..  my suspicion is that the larger one is more likely to allow the fish fighting. I’m not sure though. It’s likely to last longer as a viable gaming system.  I feel that 4/8’s days are numbered.  The low price system can get away with a lot less PSU wattage. I don’t know if that would make things cheaper or not though.  One possibility would be to move all the way up to a b550 motherboard with the cheap one (check the bios first the 2200g might not be supported) with an eye to replacing the cpu eventually with a bigger one and possibly a gpu.  More useful ports as well.  The raid Max case looks viable.

I have chosen 550w bcs i plan to upgrade in the future from the igpu to some good cpu and gpu after some times, but again will this be good for apex and cs go for some time (one with igpu)

[Bombastinator]

Just now, Jovo said:

I have chosen 550w bcs i plan to upgrade in the future from the igpu to some good cpu and gpu after some times, but again will this be good for apex and cs go for some time (one with igpu)

Good GPUs these days prefer more like 750w.  They’re hungry buggers. More but not enough doesn’t have a point imho.  This is why I’m skeptical of the 2600/480 one.  It might be the buy if it actually allows you to run stuff you want to run.  The problem is I don’t know that it will do that, in which case you might as well have just bought the cheaper one.  I’ve also seen people have trouble with mismatched memory, so getting 16gb off the bat seems like a smarter move if it can be done.  I can’t remember if it’s ryzen1, ryzen+ or both that were super picky about memory.  At least one of em was though. To the point the QVL list was actually useful.

[Jovo]

6 hours ago, Bombastinator said:

Good GPUs these days prefer more like 750w.  They’re hungry buggers. More but not enough doesn’t have a point imho.  This is why I’m skeptical of the 2600/480 one.  It might be the buy if it actually allows you to run stuff you want to run.  The problem is I don’t know that it will do that, in which case you might as well have just bought the cheaper one.  I’ve also seen people have trouble with mismatched memory, so getting 16gb off the bat seems like a smarter move if it can be done.  I can’t remember if it’s ryzen1, ryzen+ or both that were super picky about memory.  At least one of em was though. To the point the QVL list was actually useful.

If better i can find rx 570 for the same money? I don't want to play all games on 100+fps bcs i have 60hertz monitor, and i think for apex and cs go second one will be enough.

[Bombastinator]

7 hours ago, Jovo said:

If better i can find rx 570 for the same money? I don't want to play all games on 100+fps bcs i have 60hertz monitor, and i think for apex and cs go second one will be enough.

Not sure if you’re saying rx570 from rx 480 or x570 fromb550.  My memory is rx480 is better than rx570 but I’m not sure.  X570 is older than b550. It’s more flexible but doing the same things tends to be more expensive. One of the things about b550 is it more or less always has decent VRM which means it will take bigger chips.  There’s mor variance in x570

[Jovo]

2 hours ago, Bombastinator said:

Not sure if you’re saying rx570 from rx 480 or x570 fromb550.  My memory is rx480 is better than rx570 but I’m not sure.  X570 is older than b550. It’s more flexible but doing the same things tends to be more expensive. One of the things about b550 is it more or less always has decent VRM which means it will take bigger chips.  There’s mor variance in x570

I was talking 'bout gpu, bcs b550 motherboards are here 100+ euros(the cheapest one is 101 euros), and is the scond one ok value for the performance in these 2 games or i could just go with first one?

[Bombastinator]

1 hour ago, Jovo said:

I was talking 'bout gpu, bcs b550 motherboards are here 100+ euros(the cheapest one is 101 euros), and is the scond one ok value for the performance in these 2 games or i could just go with first one?

There are some really bad x570 motherboards out there.  It’s often better to get a decent b450 than a bad x570

[Jovo]

49 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

There are some really bad x570 motherboards out there.  It’s often better to get a decent b450 than a bad x570

You didn't answer my question, is this list on this link:  https://pcpartpicker.com/user/1vke/saved/#view=NcGVWZ

 

Good enough for cs go and apex for like 1-2-3 years?

[ministrsinister]

4 minutes ago, Jovo said:

You didn't answer my question, is this list on this link:  https://pcpartpicker.com/user/1vke/saved/#view=NcGVWZ

 

Good enough for cs go and apex for like 1-2-3 years?

That build should be basically "ok" for for CS GO and Apex, yeah. 

 

If I were you, I'd just get the cheaper build (300 Euros) and then buy a 144hz monitor, it makes a world of difference for games like Apex and CS:GO.

 

I don't think CS:GO or Apex will get any big updates, so it should be good for as long as you are comfortable playing Apex around 40FPS 1080p and CS:GO like 100FPS 1080p with. 

 

You could also consider looking at a used GTX 750ti or 1050ti?

[Jovo]

2 minutes ago, ministrsinister said:

That build should be basically "ok" for for CS GO and Apex, yeah. 

 

If I were you, I'd just get the cheaper build (300 Euros) and then buy a 144hz monitor, it makes a world of difference for games like Apex and CS:GO.

 

I don't think CS:GO or Apex will get any big updates, so it should be good for as long as you are comfortable playing Apex around 40FPS 1080p and CS:GO like 100FPS 1080p with. 

 

You could also consider looking at a used GTX 750ti or 1050ti?

Yeah, and idk if i will play cs go in 1080p idk if anyone play cs go in 1080p res,

 

And yeah i was looking for gtx 750 ti but i saw that this iGPU is a little bit slower than it only a little bit, am i wrong? Gtx 1050TI? Naaah i can find rx 570 for cheaper, can even find rx 480 cheaper bcs 1050Ti is here about 80-95euros and rx 480 is about the same price.

[ministrsinister]

10 minutes ago, Jovo said:

Yeah, and idk if i will play cs go in 1080p idk if anyone play cs go in 1080p res,

 

And yeah i was looking for gtx 750 ti but i saw that this iGPU is a little bit slower than it only a little bit, am i wrong? Gtx 1050TI? Naaah i can find rx 570 for cheaper, can even find rx 480 cheaper bcs 1050Ti is here about 80-95euros and rx 480 is about the same price.

That is true, but GPU availably is so crazy right now, gotta get what you can, right?

 

The RX 570 is probably your best option used if you can find one, but be careful buying used and test it out beforehand if you are buying in-person. Sometimes they sell old crypto currency mining cards that are beat to hell - would want you to buy a new card only for it to die in a month or something.

 

Maybe go with the 300 euro build, buy an RX 480 instead? 

[Jovo]

2 minutes ago, ministrsinister said:

That is true, but GPU availably is so crazy right now, gotta get what you can, right?

 

The RX 570 is probably your best option used if you can find one, but be careful buying used and test it out beforehand if you are buying in-person. Sometimes they sell old crypto currency mining cards that are beat to hell - would want you to buy a new card only for it to die in a month or something.

 

Maybe go with the 300 euro build, buy an RX 480 instead? 

I will go for rx 480 in the future upgrade and i will tell them to get a photo of card driver i in device manager bcs i think if bios isn't the original one there would be a ! - this in the yellow triangle, am i right?

And i am not planning to build it now bcs of corona and crypto currency mining thing, i will after like 1-2 years when this situation get stabilized(if it is the word, english is my secondary language).

[Jovo]

And should i go with Matrexx 30 or with Raidmax F01 argb, Matrexx 30 is here 30 euros and raidmax F01 argb is 51 euros, which one is good budget case?

[Bombastinator]

34 minutes ago, Jovo said:

Yeah, and idk if i will play cs go in 1080p idk if anyone play cs go in 1080p res,

 

And yeah i was looking for gtx 750 ti but i saw that this iGPU is a little bit slower than it only a little bit, am i wrong? Gtx 1050TI? Naaah i can find rx 570 for cheaper, can even find rx 480 cheaper bcs 1050Ti is here about 80-95euros and rx 480 is about the same price.

The 480 at least was a pretty good deal.  It’s only a bit slower than a 580 and a lot cheaper.  It’s only major failing is it’s a notorious power hog.  The 2200g has vega8 included. Getting the 2200g and a gpu seems like a weird choice to me.  This seems to be a seriously minimum budget build. 

[Jovo]

Just now, Bombastinator said:

The 480 at least was a pretty good deal.  It’s only a bit slower than a 580 and a lot cheaper.  It’s only major failing is it’s a notorious power hog.  The 2200g has vega8 included. Getting the 2200g and a gpu seems like a weird choice to me.  This seems to be a seriously minimum budget build. 

Sorry, i said in the future upgrade to add rx 480, i forgot to say that in the future i would get better cpu and gpu but i didn't say it bcs i thought that it isn't desputed. I will get like ryzen 7 2700X or Ryzen 5 3600 and maybe better motherboard idk.

[Bombastinator]

1 minute ago, Jovo said:

Sorry, i said in the future upgrade to add rx 480, i forgot to say that in the future i would get better cpu and gpu but i didn't say it bcs i thought that it isn't desputed. I will get like ryzen 7 2700X or Ryzen 5 3600 and maybe better motherboard idk.

The 2600x has no gpu at all.  It’s not even in the running unless the 480 is bought with it.

might make sense to get the 2200g, and game on it till the gpu situation gats better, and buy a gpu to be quickly followed by a better cpu.  Once you have a discrete gpu it can be used to run chips that have no gpu of their own.

[Jovo]

1 minute ago, Bombastinator said:

The 2600x has no gpu at all.  It’s not even in the running unless the 480 is bought with it.

might make sense to get the 2200g, and game on it till the gpu situation gats better, and buy a gpu to be quickly followed by a better cpu.  Once you have a discrete gpu it can be used to run chips that have no gpu of their own.

I didn't say that it has, i said that i will buy cpu and GPU like ryzen 7 2700X with rx 480. And yeah i wanted to just play on 2200G till the situation get better (to use it 4-5 years bcs cs go is not that demanding game, it can even run on gt 710...)

[Bombastinator]

1 minute ago, Jovo said:

I didn't say that it has, i said that i will buy cpu and GPU like ryzen 7 2700X with rx 480. And yeah i wanted to just play on 2200G till the situation get better (to use it 4-5 years bcs cs go is not that demanding game, it can even run on gt 710...)

From what I have read the gpu issues are likely to go on till the end of the year barring new occurrences  (like an effective reason for miners to release gaming cards)  this is also more or less the upper limit of how long I think 4/8 CPUs will be gamable.  It could be less. 

[Jovo]

1 minute ago, Bombastinator said:

From what I have read the gpu issues are likely to go on till the end of the year barring new occurrences  (like an effective reason for miners to release gaming cards)  this is also more or less the upper limit of how long I think 4/8 CPUs will be gamable.  It could be less. 

So for now i should stick with 2200g and after some years (bcs of corona prices are crazy) ot buy like better cpu, gpu and new mobo and 1more ram stick.

[Bombastinator]

9 minutes ago, Jovo said:

So for now i should stick with 2200g and after some years (bcs of corona prices are crazy) ot buy like better cpu, gpu and new mobo and 1more ram stick.

If you go with a new mobo it opens up the possibility of intel.  Intel tends to be more limited as to what cpu will fit what mobo thigh so if the mobo wants to be reused it may need to be thought of more.  The 2200g means you won’t need a gpu for awhile.  Staying away from 3xx  or A series AMD motherboards should be more or less enough.  A series tends to have serious VRM limitations, and the 3xx stuff is quite old by now. VRM is the bit on the board that determines how powerful a cpu you can use. It’s also the most expensive part which is why a lot of A series board don’t have much of it.  The b550 spec has pretty high minimums for VRM and tends to have newer ports on the back which kills two birds.  It’s also why it tends to be higher priced.  It might do to have more VRM than you need for the 2200g because you would then be able to upgrade the processor without having to change the motherboard.  The additional memory is mostly for convenience.  

Edited March 22, 2021 by Bombastinator

[ministrsinister]

13 minutes ago, Jovo said:

So for now i should stick with 2200g and after some years (bcs of corona prices are crazy) ot buy like better cpu, gpu and new mobo and 1more ram stick.

This is totally up to you, man. I think if you don't mind around ~35-40 FPS on 1080p Low with Apex then I think you should go for the cheaper build, I know money can be tight so save yourself some money now and get a functioning PC, then upgrade later. The APU is a good value - I agree with @Bombastinator don't worry about additional memory. 

 

The alternative is waiting until you have around maybe 600 Euros saved up, then you should be able to get a decent build no problem. If you need a PC right now, I'd just go for the cheaper option then upgrade to something nicer later on. 

[Jovo]

1 hour ago, ministrsinister said:

This is totally up to you, man. I think if you don't mind around ~35-40 FPS on 1080p Low with Apex then I think you should go for the cheaper build, I know money can be tight so save yourself some money now and get a functioning PC, then upgrade later. The APU is a good value - I agree with @Bombastinator don't worry about additional memory. 

 

The alternative is waiting until you have around maybe 600 Euros saved up, then you should be able to get a decent build no problem. If you need a PC right now, I'd just go for the cheaper option then upgrade to something nicer later on. 

Don't need it rn, after like 1-2 years i will bcs i am getting new one soon that is not good as first one idk about second one.