CPU Temperatures

[ForensicRug]

Good morning/afternoon,

 

I have had my PC setup for a few months; and am running with an AMD 5600X, paired with a NZXT Kraken M22. My idle temperatures seem to sit around 45-50, and earlier today it seemingly increased to 80c whilst only under around 50% load playing Gears of War 4. I had never noticed the high temperatures before, and it could be entirely unrelated but my game began to stutter dramatically, getting worse the longer I played which is what prompted me to check my cpu usage and temperatures and from this I have two queries;

 

1. Is temperatures between 80-85c an unhealthy temperature, which might result in CPU throttling causing stutters in my game; and

2. Is this temperature range a reasonable expectation from the cooler and cpu pairing?

 

Thanks

[tishous]

16 minutes ago, ForensicRug said:

 

1. Is temperatures between 80-85c an unhealthy temperature, which might result in CPU throttling causing stutters in my game; and

It's high for this workload. The stutters may be related, but maybe not. Ryzen chips hard throttle at around 95C, so you're more than 10C off. 

16 minutes ago, ForensicRug said:

2. Is this temperature range a reasonable expectation from the cooler and cpu pairing?

I would expect much better thermals. Check thermal paste application/spread and mounting pressure.

[Arrogath]

I counter your question with a question of my own. Are you using Precision Boost Overdrive? If yes, have you used the new under-volting tool (curve optimizer) because in my experience PBO voltages pushed are far too high and can actually cause worse performance than default settings.

You could just use a slight negative offset to voltage when running PBO using BIOS settings but you'll have to test as you step voltage down to see where the chip starts clock stretching causing lost performance.

Having a 5800x myself I can attest to fairly high temperatures in general, even with a good application of a large air cooler. I would have expected better from an AIO though, but I would check my settings before going through the headache of remounting IMO

[ForensicRug]

20 minutes ago, tishous said:

It's high for this workload. The stutters may be related, but maybe not. Ryzen chips hard throttle at around 95C, so you're more than 10C off. 

I would expect much better thermals. Check thermal paste application/spread and mounting pressure.

Thanks for the information; I did check my installation, plus reapplied new thermal paste which still produces the same result.

 

I have done some further research and am tending too see that the cooler I am using on my processer produces around 50c above ambient temps when under load and with where I live my room sits at around 30c.

 

Furthermore, it is also unfortunately installed as an exhaust fan so I am looking to move it too an intake.

 

Given what you provided about the hard throttle temps I feel it may be unrelated to gaming performance as of current anyway and it may simply be worthwhile installing a new, more efficient cooler

[ForensicRug]

15 minutes ago, Arrogath said:

I counter your question with a question of my own. Are you using Precision Boost Overdrive? If yes, have you used the new under-volting tool (curve optimizer) because in my experience PBO voltages pushed are far too high and can actually cause worse performance than default settings.

You could just use a slight negative offset to voltage when running PBO using BIOS settings but you'll have to test as you step voltage down to see where the chip starts clock stretching causing lost performance.

Having a 5800x myself I can attest to fairly high temperatures in general, even with a good application of a large air cooler. I would have expected better from an AIO though, but I would check my settings before going through the headache of remounting IMO

I am running PBO, however not intentionally (it was on by default) and I am too uneducated in the topic to really make meaningful changes/use of the features

[tishous]

1 minute ago, ForensicRug said:

I have done some further research and am tending too see that the cooler I am using on my processer produces around 50c above ambient temps when under load and with where I live my room sits at around 30c.

That may be true when the CPU is at 100% utilisation, but under gaming workloads it should not really be higher than 70C even if your ambient temp is 30C. Even the stock cooler would keep it below 70C when gaming.

[Arrogath]

2 minutes ago, ForensicRug said:

I am running PBO, however not intentionally (it was on by default) and I am too uneducated in the topic to really make meaningful changes/use of the features

fair enough, the AMD overclocking settings aren't all the clearest about what each setting does and with more than one place in some bios to change these settings it can be a little frustrating trying to get it to do what you want

[ForensicRug]

52 minutes ago, tishous said:

That may be true when the CPU is at 100% utilisation, but under gaming workloads it should not really be higher than 70C even if your ambient temp is 30C. Even the stock cooler would keep it below 70C when gaming.

Sorry, as a side point and something I just noted whilst looking at the PBO situation; my cpu runs consistently at 4.3ghz even when not under load where it's base clock is meant to be 3.7. Is that normal? Something that could make it run warmer?

[ForensicRug]

1 hour ago, ForensicRug said:

Good morning/afternoon,

 

I have had my PC setup for a few months; and am running with an AMD 5600X, paired with a NZXT Kraken M22. My idle temperatures seem to sit around 45-50, and earlier today it seemingly increased to 80c whilst only under around 50% load playing Gears of War 4. I had never noticed the high temperatures before, and it could be entirely unrelated but my game began to stutter dramatically, getting worse the longer I played which is what prompted me to check my cpu usage and temperatures and from this I have two queries;

 

1. Is temperatures between 80-85c an unhealthy temperature, which might result in CPU throttling causing stutters in my game; and

2. Is this temperature range a reasonable expectation from the cooler and cpu pairing?

 

Thanks

Actually; regardless of any of that. Just ran some CPU testing for the last 30 minutes and running the cpu at 100% for that duration produced temperatures no higher than 70°, sitting at 67° for the most part. Therefore from what I can see my GPU which is a 3070 must produce enough heat to increase my cpus temperature to that 80° which I mentioned at the start. For the time being I'll just have too look into investing in an even better cooler

[clikelucas]

On 3/21/2021 at 6:22 PM, ForensicRug said:

Actually; regardless of any of that. Just ran some CPU testing for the last 30 minutes and running the cpu at 100% for that duration produced temperatures no higher than 70°, sitting at 67° for the most part. Therefore from what I can see my GPU which is a 3070 must produce enough heat to increase my cpus temperature to that 80° which I mentioned at the start. For the time being I'll just have too look into investing in an even better cooler

Hi, do you have any updates on your topic?
I'm facing the exact problem with only slightly different specs to you. (5800X, Noctua NH-D15S).
 

I have no idea what to do anymore. I'll attach some screenshots from CPUID that shows the current idle, as well as the peak temps when I ran blender benchmark tests on the CPU and GPU.

[ForensicRug]

On 4/7/2021 at 8:52 PM, clikelucas said:

Hi, do you have any updates on your topic?
I'm facing the exact problem with only slightly different specs to you. (5800X, Noctua NH-D15S).
 

I have no idea what to do anymore. I'll attach some screenshots from CPUID that shows the current idle, as well as the peak temps when I ran blender benchmark tests on the CPU and GPU.

Hey there,

 

Unfortunately what I can provide probably won't be of too much help. I did several things, and whilst the issue is likely not entirely solved, it is to a point where I am no longer concerned:

 

So I tried re-installing my NZXT cooler, reapplying thermal paste, and it made a change about about 2C, clearly not enough to make me feel better.

 

I changed the PBO settings on my motherboard, which made next to no difference, at least not sitting outside simple margin or error.

 

So, from this, I brought a new cooler, the Corsair H100i Pro XT (good chance to get rid of the NZXT software that was causing my PC other issues), which has seemingly resolved my issue. Playing games only pushes it too around 65C and full load is around 70-75C max; however in my opinion this is still a weird temperature spread.

 

Regardless of, unfortunately my final answer would be if you have already tried reinstalling the cooler on the CPU and applied new thermal paste, try a new cooler? (although I definitely don't want to blame your cooler for something that isn't it's fault haha). During my research to resolve my own issue I did see a fair few videos, including the 5800X having full load temperatures of around 90C and again, in my opinion I have fallen to the belief that AMD CPU's just do not act in a way which I am used too and do not hold temperatures like I would expect. The statements released by the company do state that temperatures up to 95C are expected from the Ryzen processors and with a processor like the 5800X, maybe 90C full load temps aren't the craziest thing ever? Because that 44C idle temp is around what I get even with my new cooler. Please if you find anything out yourself though let me know.

 

Goodluck

 

[clikelucas]

On 4/12/2021 at 12:19 PM, ForensicRug said:

Hey there,

 

Unfortunately what I can provide probably won't be of too much help. I did several things, and whilst the issue is likely not entirely solved, it is to a point where I am no longer concerned:

 

So I tried re-installing my NZXT cooler, reapplying thermal paste, and it made a change about about 2C, clearly not enough to make me feel better.

 

I changed the PBO settings on my motherboard, which made next to no difference, at least not sitting outside simple margin or error.

 

So, from this, I brought a new cooler, the Corsair H100i Pro XT (good chance to get rid of the NZXT software that was causing my PC other issues), which has seemingly resolved my issue. Playing games only pushes it too around 65C and full load is around 70-75C max; however in my opinion this is still a weird temperature spread.

 

Regardless of, unfortunately my final answer would be if you have already tried reinstalling the cooler on the CPU and applied new thermal paste, try a new cooler? (although I definitely don't want to blame your cooler for something that isn't it's fault haha). During my research to resolve my own issue I did see a fair few videos, including the 5800X having full load temperatures of around 90C and again, in my opinion I have fallen to the belief that AMD CPU's just do not act in a way which I am used too and do not hold temperatures like I would expect. The statements released by the company do state that temperatures up to 95C are expected from the Ryzen processors and with a processor like the 5800X, maybe 90C full load temps aren't the craziest thing ever? Because that 44C idle temp is around what I get even with my new cooler. Please if you find anything out yourself though let me know.

 

Goodluck

 

Okay, thank you very much!

I will continue to search for some solutions, but at that point, I'm accepting the throttling as well. The PC isn't too loud, so as long as the parts don't die, I guess it'll be fine.

But I'm gonna let you know what I found!