External SSD for "NAS" ?

[Tehkast]

Evening all

 

I require a network storage solution for home I used to use a standard 1tb HDD mounted on a pi this worked rather well speeds were poop 1-3 mbps moving things across network but was fine for video streaming to another pi running kodi the HDD gave up and died one day (started smoking it was pretty freaky) so I need a new solution I was thinking for a cheap option just getting a external SSD would this be something anyone would advise?

 

My main concerns are.

• Heard SSD have a limited number of writes how many are we talking is this something that would realistically be hit 90% of the storage would be films etc that i leave on there?
• Would it be wise to run a standard SSD 100% up time as a NAS drive?
• This solution would only cost me a drive as it stands but maybe there is a better option?
• Why were the speeds so awful on a local network?

Thanks any advice would be awesome

[Biomecanoid]

7 minutes ago, Tehkast said:

Evening all

 

I require a network storage solution for home I used to use a standard 1tb HDD mounted on a pi this worked rather well speeds were poop 1-3 mbps moving things across network but was fine for video streaming to another pi running kodi the HDD gave up and died one day (started smoking it was pretty freaky) so I need a new solution I was thinking for a cheap option just getting a external SSD would this be something anyone would advise?

 

My main concerns are.

• Heard SSD have a limited number of writes how many are we talking is this something that would realistically be hit 90% of the storage would be films etc that i leave on there?
• Would it be wise to run a standard SSD 100% up time as a NAS drive?
• This solution would only cost me a drive as it stands but maybe there is a better option?
• Why were the speeds so awful on a local network?

Thanks any advice would be awesome

* SSDs are more expensive than HDDs

* SSD performance will be impaired by the network unless you have 10GB Lan

* Where will you connect the drive to the PI ?

* 1-3 Mbps is not good enough something is off

[Electronics Wizardy]

4 minutes ago, Tehkast said:

I used to use a standard 1tb HDD mounted on a pi this worked rather well speeds were poop 1-3 mbps moving things across network

Was wifi invoved? A pi should be able to get much faster speeds than that.

 

5 minutes ago, Tehkast said:

• Heard SSD have a limited number of writes how many are we talking is this something that would realistically be hit 90% of the storage would be films etc that i leave on there?
•  

Ye wont matter for home moves or basica nas se

 

5 minutes ago, Tehkast said:

• Would it be wise to run a standard SSD 100% up time as a NAS drive?
•  

Shouldn't make a differnce, drive will probalby be too small before it dies. But back it up. It can die at any time with no warning

 

5 minutes ago, Tehkast said:

Why were the speeds so awful on a local network?

IDK?did you look at system usage? Did you test you local network speeds with soemthing like iperf?

[Tehkast]

Was wifi invoved? A pi should be able to get much faster speeds than that.

 

Nope was a pi1b+ cable direct to the superhub

 

 

IDK?did you look at system usage? Did you test you local network speeds with soemthing like iperf?

 

I'm unfamiliar with iperf but I've found even when I remote the speeds of moving files is awful again <5mbs

[Tehkast]

35 minutes ago, Biomecanoid said:

* SSDs are more expensive than HDDs

* SSD performance will be impaired by the network unless you have 10GB Lan

* Where will you connect the drive to the PI ?

* 1-3 Mbps is not good enough something is off

Aye looking at the prices didn't think would be over £100 area where can get a 2.5" 1tb HDD for about £40, my issue with that is life how long would it reasonably last as if its always on assume its always spinning?

 

Would be just a USB connection to the Pi.

 

Aye I have no idea why the speed is so awful its weird possibly limited audience question but is this maybe something to do with the Virgin Media Superhub?

[Biomecanoid]

5 minutes ago, Tehkast said:

Aye looking at the prices didn't think would be over £100 area where can get a 2.5" 1tb HDD for about £40, my issue with that is life how long would it reasonably last as if its always on assume its always spinning?

 

Would be just a USB connection to the Pi.

 

Aye I have no idea why the speed is so awful its weird possibly limited audience question but is this maybe something to do with the Virgin Media Superhub?

Possibly the PI is to blame or the usb enclosure

[Tehkast]

35 minutes ago, Biomecanoid said:

Possibly the PI is to blame or the usb enclosure

I also have awful speeds when using windows remote to another pc on the same network so seems maybe a deeper issue beyond my knowledge.

[Electronics Wizardy]

24 minutes ago, Tehkast said:

I also have awful speeds when using windows remote to another pc on the same network so seems maybe a deeper issue beyond my knowledge.

Use iperf to test your network speeds.

 

A hdd should be able to fill a gigabit network, so I don't think a ssd will make it faster here.

[Biomecanoid]

15 hours ago, Tehkast said:

I also have awful speeds when using windows remote to another pc on the same network so seems maybe a deeper issue beyond my knowledge.

switch maybe

[MattJenko]

On 2/2/2021 at 3:02 AM, Biomecanoid said:

switch maybe

This. A modern hard disk can do way over 100MB/s, especially with a largely sequential read like media files. Gigabit tops out around 100MB/s, so an SSD would be pointless (if your workload was many smaller files, the SSD would probably be better due to it's higher iops).

First check the load on the Pi when you're doing a transfer, I don't know what OS you're using but there should be several options, see if it's processing power that is the issue - I don't think it will be, but you never know. Try connecting the Pi directly to your machine, you might need to set static IP's. Does that help?

If that doesn't shine a light, get a cheap gigabit switch, TP Link make a basic 5 port that's like $30 here in AU. Plug the devices in and see whether that improves things a bit. The Virgin Super Hub thingy says it's gigabit, but I don't really know anything about it.

[Tehkast]

6 hours ago, MattJenko said:

This. A modern hard disk can do way over 100MB/s, especially with a largely sequential read like media files. Gigabit tops out around 100MB/s, so an SSD would be pointless (if your workload was many smaller files, the SSD would probably be better due to it's higher iops).

First check the load on the Pi when you're doing a transfer, I don't know what OS you're using but there should be several options, see if it's processing power that is the issue - I don't think it will be, but you never know. Try connecting the Pi directly to your machine, you might need to set static IP's. Does that help?

If that doesn't shine a light, get a cheap gigabit switch, TP Link make a basic 5 port that's like $30 here in AU. Plug the devices in and see whether that improves things a bit. The Virgin Super Hub thingy says it's gigabit, but I don't really know anything about it.

There must be a issue for sure, since last setup the pi again it is using wifi atm just shared the SD card as only using tiny files for python stuff the transfer speeds are shit you not <10kbps

[Tehkast]

 

6 hours ago, MattJenko said:

This. A modern hard disk can do way over 100MB/s, especially with a largely sequential read like media files. Gigabit tops out around 100MB/s, so an SSD would be pointless (if your workload was many smaller files, the SSD would probably be better due to it's higher iops).

First check the load on the Pi when you're doing a transfer, I don't know what OS you're using but there should be several options, see if it's processing power that is the issue - I don't think it will be, but you never know. Try connecting the Pi directly to your machine, you might need to set static IP's. Does that help?

If that doesn't shine a light, get a cheap gigabit switch, TP Link make a basic 5 port that's like $30 here in AU. Plug the devices in and see whether that improves things a bit. The Virgin Super Hub thingy says it's gigabit, but I don't really know anything about it.

 

Raspbian just the noobs version Linux is all new to me still.

 

Not really sure what you mean directly connect I did previously set a static local IP and connect via that in windows explorer before but that is also when getting around 3mbps speeds.

 

I have a Netgear gig switch and it never helped with local speeds two PC's in the same room on the same switch both with 1gbps and good speeds to internet cannot copy a file in windows remote faster then maybe 5-10mbps if lucky 

[Electronics Wizardy]

3 hours ago, Tehkast said:

 

 

Raspbian just the noobs version Linux is all new to me still.

 

Not really sure what you mean directly connect I did previously set a static local IP and connect via that in windows explorer before but that is also when getting around 3mbps speeds.

 

I have a Netgear gig switch and it never helped with local speeds two PC's in the same room on the same switch both with 1gbps and good speeds to internet cannot copy a file in windows remote faster then maybe 5-10mbps if lucky 

What is disk usage? What is cpu usage? 

 

Try using iperf to test network bandwidth.