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Dewald
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Hi.

I need some help/advice.

 

I want to build up a new pc. But need some clarity before i spend my hard earned cash on parts that might not even work.

 

The specs im looking at:

- i9 10850k

- mb depends on answers on some of the questions (still looking around - preferably Asus z490)

- 32gb ddr4 3600 adata spectrix ram (upgrade later on to 64gb)

- 1x rtx 3070 and 1x gtx 1650s.

- 2tb nvme(m.2) ssd + 1 tb nvme (m.2) ssd.

- 512gb sata 3 ssd (relaible brand for server) + 10tb iron wolf hdd.

- liquid cooling ( maybe little overclocking - only for cool temps and stability).

- evga 80+ 1000w power supply.

- 2x 50" 4k tv's. 

- still shopping around for perfect case.

 

The idea/plan is to have one physical pc and run a server + two virtual computers off it. The plan is to get the whole house connected, running off one central point.

 

Server (mass storrage + access point for whole house to save and access data and movies + cctv recordings etc) =

- 2 x physical cores

- 4gb ram

- 512 gb sata 3 ssd

- 10tb iron wolf hdd

- some sort of server OS

 

Vm1 (4k gaming + 4k streaming for me) =

- 4 physical cores

- 16gb ram

- Rtx 3070

- 2 tb nvme ssd

- 4k tv

- Win 10

 

Vm2 (1080p gaming + 4k streaming for wife)=

- 4 physical cores

- 12gb ram

- 1 tb nvme ssd.

- 4k tv

- Win 10

 

QUESTIONS:

1. Is this even possible?

 

2. Do i need another dedicated gpu for the server part or can i use onboard graphics?

 

3. Will the above specs work for what i want to do?

 

4. Will we be able to access the "server" via wifi with our phones, tablets , tv's (wifi), cctv system and both VM's.

 

5. What would be the best OS for the server part of the system?

 

6. Will i be able to access the server and VM 1 from one TV? (Hdmi port 1 and 2)? The pc will be in the living room next to tv.

 

7. What add-on/device do i need to add to the tv in the bedroom for VM2. Without extending all the usb/hdmi cables. Which will enable the wife to add her own mouse and keyeboard and occasional usb data stick. This will be to maybe have one wire running from pc to the "add on device" to the tv and input devices?

 

8. If my above plan/scenario wont work, what would be the best workaround?

 

9. Will i be able to run both the server and vm1 through the same mouse and keyboards or do i need mouse and keyboard for each "individual pc (1x server + 2x VM's)?

 

10. Will both VM's be able to run their own steam, xbox clients?

 

11. Will the server be able to run/scan antivirus/malware programs on both VM's or do i need 3 licenses?

 

12. What would be the main issues and drawbacks regarding this system i want to build?

 

Sorry for the essay and endless questions. I just need some clarity before i start buying, building and tinkering.

 

Thanks 

 

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1) Yes but should you do 2 full gaming systems on one pc? No absolutely not. It's hellish to maintain functional.

2) Onboard is possible

3) Sort off but it won't be great as one vm is already crippled for gaming with just a quad core

4) Sure if you set it up right

5) Windows, linux, freenas,... if at it needs to be is a storage device it can basically run whatever

6) If you set it up right sure

7) Something that can run over fiber or ethernet. That or a thunderbolt extender. Either way all options are gonna cost a heap of money.

8 ) Get a thunderbolt extender and hope for the best

9) One for each unless you use a kvm

10) Yeah why not they are to windows just separate computers.

11) It can only see itself

12) It's gonna be extremely expensive especially with those extenders, it's gonna run worse than if you just got dedicated systems, it's a MASSIVE pain in the butt to keep actively used systems like this online. A small driver update can just stop it from working.

 

Like this is totally fine for servers and stuff because that is set and forget kinda stuff. Actively used computers with generic consumer os's like windows 10 are so not made for this and it's so so easy to break compatibility. It's also just a pain to set everything up and you will always have worse performance. These multi user computers are a proof of concept. Doable but not something you should use for daily use.

 

So just stop, get yourself a nice gaming computer, your wife a decent one and a random dell tower from ebay for the data server. It's going to be far far far far easier to setup and keep running AND be cheaper than trying to get this going and keep it operational.

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Dewald said:

QUESTIONS:

1. Is this even possible?

2. Do i need another dedicated gpu for the server part or can i use onboard graphics?

3. Will the above specs work for what i want to do?

4. Will we be able to access the "server" via wifi with our phones, tablets , tv's (wifi), cctv system and both VM's.

5. What would be the best OS for the server part of the system?

6. Will i be able to access the server and VM 1 from one TV? (Hdmi port 1 and 2)? The pc will be in the living room next to tv.

7. What add-on/device do i need to add to the tv in the bedroom for VM2. Without extending all the usb/hdmi cables. Which will enable the wife to add her own mouse and keyeboard and occasional usb data stick. This will be to maybe have one wire running from pc to the "add on device" to the tv and input devices?

8. If my above plan/scenario wont work, what would be the best workaround?

9. Will i be able to run both the server and vm1 through the same mouse and keyboards or do i need mouse and keyboard for each "individual pc (1x server + 2x VM's)?

10. Will both VM's be able to run their own steam, xbox clients?

11. Will the server be able to run/scan antivirus/malware programs on both VM's or do i need 3 licenses?

12. What would be the main issues and drawbacks regarding this system i want to build?

  1. Yes.
  2. iGPU is fine.
  3. You'll probably find that the performance won't be as good as you were hoping.
  4. That obviously depends on how you configure the server and your network.
  5. There is no single best OS. A good choice, though, would be any of the more popular Linux-distros or Unraid.
  6. Obviously depends on how you set things up.
  7. Some sort of a fiber-optic KVM-solution, probably. Last time I looked at those, they were stupid expensive.
  8. Individual PCs, again, rather obviously.
  9. They'll both need their own ones.
  10. Yes.
  11. Each system will need to be running their own stuff.
  12. Any single hardware-component failing will take all three systems down with it.

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14 minutes ago, jaslion said:

1) Yes but should you do 2 full gaming systems on one pc? No absolutely not. It's hellish to maintain functional.

2) Onboard is possible

3) Sort off but it won't be great as one vm is already crippled for gaming with just a quad core

4) Sure if you set it up right

5) Windows, linux, freenas,... if at it needs to be is a storage device it can basically run whatever

6) If you set it up right sure

7) Something that can run over fiber or ethernet. That or a thunderbolt extender. Either way all options are gonna cost a heap of money.

8 ) Get a thunderbolt extender and hope for the best

9) One for each unless you use a kvm

10) Yeah why not they are to windows just separate computers.

11) It can only see itself

12) It's gonna be extremely expensive especially with those extenders, it's gonna run worse than if you just got dedicated systems, it's a MASSIVE pain in the butt to keep actively used systems like this online. A small driver update can just stop it from working.

 

Like this is totally fine for servers and stuff because that is set and forget kinda stuff. Actively used computers with generic consumer os's like windows 10 are so not made for this and it's so so easy to break compatibility. It's also just a pain to set everything up and you will always have worse performance. These multi user computers are a proof of concept. Doable but not something you should use for daily use.

 

So just stop, get yourself a nice gaming computer, your wife a decent one and a random dell tower from ebay for the data server. It's going to be far far far far easier to setup and keep running AND be cheaper than trying to get this going and keep it operational.

 

 

Thank you. ill rather look at itx something for wife and server for home and pc for me then.

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12 minutes ago, WereCatf said:
  1. Yes.
  2. iGPU is fine.
  3. You'll probably find that the performance won't be as good as you were hoping.
  4. That obviously depends on how you configure the server and your network.
  5. There is no single best OS. A good choice, though, would be any of the more popular Linux-distros or Unraid.
  6. Obviously depends on how you set things up.
  7. Some sort of a fiber-optic KVM-solution, probably. Last time I looked at those, they were stupid expensive.
  8. Individual PCs, again, rather obviously.
  9. They'll both need their own ones.
  10. Yes.
  11. Each system will need to be running their own stuff.
  12. Any single hardware-component failing will take all three systems down with it.

Thanks alot. Going for different individual setup rather.

 

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