PC Rebooting Part two

[Patiflin]

Part 1: 

 

So, after many many different tries to solve this problem, I chose to try installing Ubuntu, if the problem may be windows, let's try another OS right? Well, no. The pc crashed in the middle of installation, completely frozen (the photo attached it's in spanish but I think you get the idea).

I just don't know anymore what the problem may be. HDD? Mb? Or even the processor? Help guys, you are literally my only hope:(

 

My specs are:

CPU: AMD RYZEN 3200G

MB: GIGABYTE A320M-S2H

RAM: T-FORCE VULCAN Z (1X8GB) DDR4 3200MHz

PSU: EVGA 600W W1

GPU: ASUS PHOENIX GTX 1050 TI 4GB

[Bombastinator]

The issue seems to be people saying “the computer posts fine so it has to be something not involved in post.  What is the most cruft filled piece of garbage that isn’t involved in post? Windows” 

man’s theyre right 99% of the time.  All the replies seem to be versions of “eliminate windows as a possible cause”

OK.  That seems to have been done.  We’re still not done with software though.  Software wants to be eliminated first because it’s cheap to fix.  Hardware generally isn’t.

 

Next step is to eliminate any OTHER bits of software that arent involved in post.  Like drivers and bios versions (which is post involved I admit but might only be partially broken.  Also still free to deal with)

 

If all of THOSE come out known good it’s time to pull out the wallet and start swapping parts.  Cheapest ones first.  A new cmos battery wouldn’t hurt to try.  It’s dumb and chances are near zero but the things are soooo cheap. Most of the hardware is involved in post but not all of it.  Hard drives are one.  

[Guest]

32 minutes ago, Patiflin said:

The pc crashed in the middle of installation, completely frozen

Wonder if it's just a cpu low volt hang up??

 

Does this motherboard have the option to increase the LLC? 

Or perhaps increase v-core with a + offset and very small increase?

Can you test this theory? 

[Bombastinator]

8 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Wonder if it's just a cpu low volt hang up??

 

Does this motherboard have the option to increase the LLC? 

Or perhaps increase v-core with a + offset and very small increase?

Can you test this theory? 

Comments like this one are why I think @ShrimpBrime is better at this stuff than me   I would never have thought of that but it fits. 

[DefineOG]

Try disabling core performance boost.

I think intel CPUs have a setting to keep it running at the same voltage and frequency all the time but I’m not sure if AMD has that.

[Guest]

Just now, Bombastinator said:

Comments like this one are why I think @ShrimpBrime is better at this stuff than me

Aw shucks. It's only a hunch based on similar experiences. I could be totally dead wrong. Done that a plenty too lol.

[Bombastinator]

Last two are clever.  My “update the bios” and cmos battery bit was also a “reset everything to bog standard” bios settings.  It didn’t cover “what if bog standard doesn’t work for this particular hardware” points.  That is stuff the “just kick it int the shorts till it’s teeth rattle” solution I went for doesn’t cover.  Quite next level imho.

[Patiflin]

29 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Wonder if it's just a cpu low volt hang up??

 

Does this motherboard have the option to increase the LLC? 

Or perhaps increase v-core with a + offset and very small increase?

Can you test this theory? 

I couldn't find an LLC related config.

There are 2 Vcore settings:

Dynamic Vcore (DVID)

Dynamic Vcore SOC (DVID)

Wich one you suggest to moddify? And how much offset?

[Patiflin]

21 minutes ago, DefineOG said:

Try disabling core performance boost.

I think intel CPUs have a setting to keep it running at the same voltage and frequency all the time but I’m not sure if AMD has that.

It didn't work, thx anyway:(

[Guest]

Dynamic is Cpu - This one to increase.

SOC is IO controller (Infinity Fabric/Memory controller)

 

I don't know what the Cpu v-core adjustments are, it may be different than my Asus.

Best thing to do is select offset if this option is available. positive + .05v (or less depending on the options it gives)

 

 

 

 

[Patiflin]

41 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

The issue seems to be people saying “the computer posts fine so it has to be something not involved in post.  What is the most cruft filled piece of garbage that isn’t involved in post? Windows” 

man’s theyre right 99% of the time.  All the replies seem to be versions of “eliminate windows as a possible cause”

OK.  That seems to have been done.  We’re still not done with software though.  Software wants to be eliminated first because it’s cheap to fix.  Hardware generally isn’t.

 

Next step is to eliminate any OTHER bits of software that arent involved in post.  Like drivers and bios versions (which is post involved I admit but might only be partially broken.  Also still free to deal with)

 

If all of THOSE come out known good it’s time to pull out the wallet and start swapping parts.  Cheapest ones first.  A new cmos battery wouldn’t hurt to try.  It’s dumb and chances are near zero but the things are soooo cheap. Most of the hardware is involved in post but not all of it.  Hard drives are one.  

My hdd could be a potential issue, since it's one of the parts I kept from my previous pc. Even though I was constantly checking its health for any errors it could have:(

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Patiflin said:

My hdd could be a potential issue, since it's one of the parts I kept from my previous pc. Even though I was constantly checking its health for any errors it could have:(

No other HDD around to test with?

[Bombastinator]

4 minutes ago, Patiflin said:

My hdd could be a potential issue, since it's one of the parts I kept from my previous pc. Even though I was constantly checking its health for any errors it could have:(

I’d check the other stuff first.  Less money. Unless you just want to upgrade and have cash burning a hole in your pocket.  That kind of thing happens a lot around here..

[Bombastinator]

Sudden thought, very low probability:

 hard drive, how old?  Like old enough not to use ufei old?  Are there jumper pins on it?   Would be a reason to get a shiney new SSD.

[Patiflin]

13 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

No other HDD around to test with?

Not at the moment. Dang it, the Vcore solution seemed stable for a moment (set it to +0.048V) but it froze again while I was writing this (I'm crying in the inside xD)

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Patiflin said:

Not at the moment. Dang it, the Vcore solution seemed stable for a moment (set it to +0.048V) but it froze again while I was writing this (I'm crying in the inside xD)

Are you trying the installation over and over?

Does it freeze at the exact same spot?

How what where when I don't know why!

edit. yeah that looks strange. 

How, What, where, when, I don't know, why?

 

[Patiflin]

4 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

Sudden thought, very low probability:

 hard drive, how old?  Like old enough not to use ufei old?  Are there jumper pins on it?   Would be a reason to get a shiney new SSD.

It's not that old lmao. I was trying to save money but if I had a prehistoric hdd I wouldn't have kept it. I'm talking to some friends to see if I can borrow another one :c

[Guest]

Just now, Patiflin said:

It's not that old lmao. I was trying to save money but if I had a prehistoric hdd I wouldn't have kept it. I'm talking to some friends to see if I can borrow another one :c

Borrow a PSU too....

[Patiflin]

2 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Are you trying the installation over and over?

Does it freeze at the exact same spot?

How what where when I don't know why!

This time was more advanced in the installation. But it coulnd't finish, sadly

[Guest]

Do you have a thumb stick and access to another PC??

 

If so, for future diagnosis purposes, Create a bootable USB.

Then install Ubuntu. Super friendly small operating system, it resembles windows.

So if you ever need a Operating system in a flash (pun intended) you can always boot off the Flash drive!!

Is how I do it bro.

[Patiflin]

2 hours ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Do you have a thumb stick and access to another PC??

 

If so, for future diagnosis purposes, Create a bootable USB.

Then install Ubuntu. Super friendly small operating system, it resembles windows.

So if you ever need a Operating system in a flash (pun intended) you can always boot off the Flash drive!!

Is how I do it bro.

Well, summarizing this is what I've been doing in the last 2 hours:

-Booted up Ubuntu from usb, it crashed.

-Found another hdd (from now hdd2) wich had Win10 32bits installed, things went 'good' I think, didn't test it enough. Then, the pc crashed while installing ubuntu.

-Swapped ram slot, changed sata cable and port, connected to hdd2, it crashed while installing.

-Went for default bios settings + above, crashed while installing.

-Custom settings (Vcore, xmp disabled, and other stuff). Crashed.

-Og hdd + different kinds of settings, all of those tries crashed.

 

Y'know, at the start I was kinda laughing and taking things lightly, now I'm just sad man.

 

Edit: I found a 650W PSU, but it's an old one and has a 4pin cpu connector, my board needs 8. Idk if I can use it anyways for testing

Edited August 27, 2020 by Patiflin

[Bombastinator]

4 hours ago, Patiflin said:

Well, summarizing this is what I've been doing in the last 2 hours:

-Booted up Ubuntu from usb, it crashed.

-Found another hdd (from now hdd2) wich had Win10 32bits installed, things went 'good' I think, didn't test it enough. Then, the pc crashed while installing ubuntu.

-Swapped ram slot, changed sata cable and port, connected to hdd2, it crashed while installing.

-Went for default bios settings + above, crashed while installing.

-Custom settings (Vcore, xmp disabled, and other stuff). Crashed.

-Og hdd + different kinds of settings, all of those tries crashed.

 

Y'know, at the start I was kinda laughing and taking things lightly, now I'm just sad man.

 

Edit: I found a 650W PSU, but it's an old one and has a 4pin cpu connector, my board needs 8. Idk if I can use it anyways for testing

If your cpu isn’t overclocked (and it shouldn’t be for testing stuff) a 4 pin will work fine.  Modern CPUs don’t take that much power. An 8pin cpu pin it really a 4 pin doubled so you fit it in one side or the other. (I forget which) if you put it in the wrong one the machine won’t post though so if you stick it in one side and no post just put it in the other.