**Updated** Intel Gaming + Streaming PC

[Yaerox]

Budget (including currency): 1800€

Country: Germany

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: iRacing VR (Oculus Rift S) / Triple Screen (3x32" WQHD 140Hz) with the Option to Stream (1080p60fps) from my PC + CoD Warzone (FHD 144 Hz)

Other details:

Q: You idiot, why are taking Intel?! AMD is better and cheaper!

A: I need single core performance for Simracing. I usually build a PC and keep it for 5 years. I have to buy everything new anyway. I won't upgrade after 1 or 2 years.

 

Q: You missed a GPU.

A: I wait for RTX 3000 and will probably get a RTX 3080.

 

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Prices are modified based on my research in Germany. Parts with $0 are already in my current PC which I'm going to use for the new one.

• My biggest issues is Mainboard+RAM. Since only 2933MHz is supported, can I still use 3200MHz RAM? It's a lot cheaper.
• Is XMP now disabled, or will XMP enabled just delete warranty but it's still there?
• I'm always afraid to pick a Mainboard. I must have the option to use 2x M.2 SSDs (2280).
  • Personal experience: ASUS Quality is a -10. So far only had good experiences with GIGABYTE.
• I usually don't overclock, I might do a little overclock this time on my PC. Not sure, but definitely want the option to be able.

 

Feel free to recommend alternatives!

 

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-10700K 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($400.00)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 CHROMAX.BLACK 82.52 CFM CPU Cooler  ($97.00)
Motherboard: Gigabyte Z490 AORUS ELITE AC ATX LGA1200 Motherboard  ($200.00)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($132.00)
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 250 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($0.00)
Storage: SanDisk EXTREME PRO 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($0.00)
Case: Corsair Air 540 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($0.00)
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($112.00)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit  ($0.00)
Total: $941.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-08-20 02:32 EDT-0400

 

 

Are all my listed parts compatible?

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-10700K 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($400.00)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 CHROMAX.BLACK 82.52 CFM CPU Cooler  ($97.00)
Motherboard: MSI MPG Z490 GAMING EDGE WIFI ATX LGA1200 Motherboard  ($190.00)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z Neo 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory  ($162.00)
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 250 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($0.00)
Storage: SanDisk EXTREME PRO 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($0.00)
Case: Corsair Air 540 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($0.00)
Power Supply: be quiet! Straight Power 11 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($141.00)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit  ($0.00)
Total: $990.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-09-04 03:00 EDT-0400

[LienusLateTips]

28 minutes ago, Yaerox said:

 

Other details:

Q: You idiot, why are taking Intel?! AMD is better and cheaper!

A: I need single core performance for Simracing.

 

Q: You missed a GPU.

A: I wait for RTX3000 and will probably get a Zotac/Gigabyte RTX 3080. (Except prices are running out of hand, then I may had to get a RTX 3070)

If you're waiting for RTX3000, you might as well wait for AMD Zen 3 coming out pretty much along it. 

 

Leaks = 20% IPC improvements, boosts up to 4.9GHz. That'll definitely take the single core crown from Intel if it's true.

AMD already has better IPC than Intel anyway.

[Yaerox]

2 minutes ago, LienusLateTips said:

If you're waiting for RTX3000, you might as well wait for AMD Zen 3 coming out pretty much along it. 

 

Leaks = 20% IPC improvements, boosts up to 4.9GHz. That'll definitely take the single core crown from Intel if it's true.

AMD already has better IPC than Intel anyway.

This depends on Zen3 Release. My old lady is celebrating it's fifth birthday in two weeks. I really can't wait until the end of the year.

And tbh, I'm no Fanboy. I buy whatever is best for me. But mostly advertisements are bullshit. I had a Thread opened where people told me AMD is better and AMD is cheaper. That's simply not true in my area. I compared all prices and AMD wasn't cheaper overall. So a real high Base-Clock would be awesome and I'd like to see AMD closing the gap more, but right now all Benchmarks for iRacing show that Intel is still King there. And I focus on what I'm going to do with the PC instead of random benchmarks

[Haro]

38 minutes ago, Yaerox said:

My biggest issues is Mainboard+RAM. Since only 2933MHz is supported, can I still use 3200MHz RAM? It's a lot cheaper.

Yes. That just means anything over 2833 is technically an overclock and is not guaranteed but the imc should handle it just fine. 

 

39 minutes ago, Yaerox said:

delete warranty but it's still there?

No the warranty will still be there. 

 

39 minutes ago, Yaerox said:

Feel free to recommend alternatives!

I do recommend waiting for zen 3 And checking what it has to offer. 

But without the GPU, budget for the build?

[Yaerox]

6 minutes ago, TofuHaroto said:

Yes. That just means anything over 2833 is technically an overclock and is not guaranteed but the imc should handle it just fine. 

 

No the warranty will still be there. 

 

I do recommend waiting for zen 3 And checking what it has to offer. 

But without the GPU, budget for the build?

On XMP (Fingers > Brain): I mean, XMP does work like usual, you just turn it on and high-clock speed RAM will be able to use it's full power. You just loose Warranty, right?

 

Gonna have to check for Zen3 Release Rumours then.

 

Build Budget 1800€ is for everything. So far my List above means I have almost 900€ left for GPU.

[Haro]

Just now, Yaerox said:

You just loose Warranty, right?

Nope you don't. 

 

Just now, Yaerox said:

So far my List above means I have almost 900€ left for GPU.

I mean honestly if you're waiting for ampere then wait and check what they're going to he priced at. And then make a full list. 

That's what I would do in all honesty since we don't even know what they're going to he priced at. 

[Yaerox]

2 minutes ago, TofuHaroto said:

Nope you don't. 

 

I mean honestly if you're waiting for ampere then wait and check what they're going to he priced at. And then make a full list. 

That's what I would do in all honesty since we don't even know what they're going to he priced at. 

So far my plan is/was having a full list except GPU because I want to order on the Day 1 Ampere is released. My old lady needs to retire as fast as possible

[Haro]

10 hours ago, Yaerox said:

So far my plan is having a full list except GPU because I want to order on the Day 1 Ampere is released.

Yea, but the thing is, wait for ampere, and check what it's priced at and then split your budget depending on what it's priced at. 

i honestly would wait rather than rush and get a full build without a gpu.

[Yaerox]

Just now, TofuHaroto said:

Yea, but the thing is, wait for ampere, and check what it's priced at and then split your budget depending on what it's priced at. 

i honestly would wait rather than rush and get a full build without a gpu.

Ohh, sorry when I didn't mentioned it. No ofc, I'll buy all PC Parts after Ampere release. I won't buy now. I just want to have a full Wishlist of parts so I don't have to think about it again when Ampere is out and I could buy all.

[Haro]

10 hours ago, Yaerox said:

I just want to have a full Wishlist of parts so I don't have to think about it again when Ampere is out and I could buy all.

Ah, that makes sense then, well you could either go for..

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel Core i5-10600K 4.1 GHz 6-Core Processor	€257.99 @ Amazon Deutschland
CPU Cooler	Noctua NH-U12S 55 CFM CPU Cooler	€64.98 @ Alternate
Motherboard	MSI MPG Z490 GAMING EDGE WIFI ATX LGA1200 Motherboard	€223.47 @ Alza
Memory	G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory	€64.89 @ Mindfactory
Storage	Kingston A2000 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	€99.90 @ Amazon Deutschland
Storage	Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	€60.49 @ Mindfactory
Case	Phanteks Eclipse P400A ATX Mid Tower Case	€75.98 @ Amazon Deutschland
Power Supply	be quiet! Straight Power 11 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	€108.69 @ ARLT
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	€956.39
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-08-20 09:55 CEST+0200

or you could wait for zen 3 since that might release when ampere does and then make a list (i would do that). 

[Yaerox]

14 minutes ago, TofuHaroto said:

Ah, that makes sense then, well you could either go for..

I thought about getting i5 for a moment. What I found out on benchmarks is there is around 15-20 FPS in average between i5 and i7. Same for i7-i9. I'm not sure if the i5 will be enough for Triple-Screen Simracing + Streaming.

Is there a reason you recommend the MSI Mainboard? Does the mainboard have any advantages compared to my GIGABYTE choice? https://geizhals.eu/?cmp=2289182&cmp=2288423

Same question on RAM, are there advantages? Going even higher then I did in MHz, is there a reason for it? Both will run on 2933 based on CPU anyway, right?

[Haro]

12 minutes ago, Yaerox said:

Both will run on 2933 based on CPU anyway, right?

No. The 3600 kit if xmp is enabled will run at 3600. 

That's the base speed meaning anything over that is technically not guaranteed but the imc is good enough to handle it. 

12 minutes ago, Yaerox said:

What I found out on benchmarks is there is around 15-20 FPS in average between i5 and i7. Same for i7-i9.

They perform similarly in games. But I'm not sure how demanding/ cpu heavy simracing is. 

As for streaming. Just use nvec, looks just as good as x264 and will offload some of the work from the cpu to the hardware encoder on the GPU. 

14 minutes ago, Yaerox said:

there a reason you recommend the MSI Mainboard?

It's an all around good board. 

You could also consider the tomhawk and the vision G and the a pro and the gaming plus which are also good. 

[Yaerox]

Thank you my loved touchpad for ruining my reply just before I wanted to hit submit

 

8 minutes ago, TofuHaroto said:

No. The 3600 kit if xmp is enabled will run at 3600. 

Okay. I think I really have to learn more about XMP. So what I understood is XMP supports up to 3600 without any specific other tunes. Just turn XMP on and good to go. Then ofc, I'd take 3600 instead of 2933/3200. My current PC didn't got any of those features I think

 

9 minutes ago, TofuHaroto said:

They perform similarly in games. But I'm not sure how demanding/ cpu heavy simracing is. 

As for streaming. Just use nvec, looks just as good as x264 and will offload some of the work from the cpu to the hardware encoder on the GPU. 

Maybe this gives you a little better view of performance for iRacing:

I'm planning on using NVENC. I just don' know yet for sure, but doesn't it still slightly impact CPU? In the above video i9 is compared to 3900x. I don't think I'll grab the i9 based on my budget, and I couldn't find a review on Simracing with my CPU choices yet. But I think it will be similar if I compare i7 vs Ryzen 7.

 

13 minutes ago, TofuHaroto said:

It's an all around good board. 

Okay. Good to know. Do you personally have any issue with the GIGABYTE board. Is there any fact that would say my choice is worse then other more common used boards like your recommendations?

[Haro]

10 hours ago, Yaerox said:

but doesn't it still slightly impact CPU?

No, since the encoding is offloaded to the gpu's hardware encoder, it has little to no performance hits..

 

10 hours ago, Yaerox said:

Do you personally have any issue with the GIGABYTE board

forgot the vrm for it lol. 

but iirc the elite is good, though the boards i recommended  above are all good.

10 hours ago, Yaerox said:

I don't think I'll grab the i9 based on my budget, and I couldn't find a review on Simracing with my CPU choices yet.

yea i really recommend  waiting for zen 3 ampere and big navi and then make a list and check how they perform with this workload.

[Yaerox]

3 minutes ago, TofuHaroto said:

forgot the vrm for it lol. 

but iirc the elite is good, though the boards i recommended  above are all good.

I can't follow you on this one. Can you give me a quick tip what you're talking about / where I can do some research about a unknown topic for me?

[Haro]

10 hours ago, Yaerox said:

Can you give me a quick tip what you're talking about / where I can do some research about a unknown topic for me?

talking about the z490 elite's vrm, i forgot what it was but iirc the elite isn't bad. but the boards i suggested above are all good.

[Yaerox]

1 minute ago, TofuHaroto said:

talking about the z490 elite's vrm, i forgot what it was but iirc the elite isn't bad. but the boards i suggested above are all good.

Only had 1 Cup of Coffee so far, so I was totally screwed but iirc, but gotcha now

Thank you a lot sir!

[Avocheeseado]

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel Core i7-10700K 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor	€377.00 @ Amazon Deutschland
CPU Cooler	be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler	€72.89 @ Amazon Deutschland
Motherboard	MSI MAG Z490 TOMAHAWK ATX LGA1200 Motherboard	€208.47 @ Alza
Memory	Crucial Ballistix 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory	€73.98 @ Amazon Deutschland
Storage	Western Digital Blue SN550 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	€112.99 @ Amazon Deutschland
Video Card	MSI GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB GAMING X TRIO Video Card	€717.99 @ Mindfactory
Case	Lian Li Lancool II Mesh ATX Mid Tower Case	€113.47 @ Amazon Deutschland
Power Supply	Corsair RM (2019) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	€115.69 @ Alternate
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	€1792.48
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-08-20 15:51 CEST+0200

Something like this but wait for Zen 3 and Ampere

[Yaerox]

Shouldn't 750W PSU be enough?

[MrBrightSyde]

14 minutes ago, Yaerox said:

Shouldn't 750W PSU be enough?

650w would actually be enough. Both 750w and 850w are a little overkill for a single GPU build, especially if you aren't extreme overclocking a 10900k and a 2080Ti. I'd recommend an Enermax Revolution D.F. or BitFenix Whisper M if they are in stock.

[Avocheeseado]

3 hours ago, Yaerox said:

Shouldn't 750W PSU be enough?

It would be, but that 850w one is cheaper than the 750w corsair rm

[Yaerox]

I've updated the original post with a new PCPartPickerList. Can I get some more thoughts for this one?