New PC Build

[Victoryous]

Budget (including currency): ~6K$ USD (I can go a little higher than this but I'm going to limit it to this).

Country: US

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Gaming

I play a lot of games, and I'm little hardcore with my games:

I play mostly FPS's but here is a current list of backlog games I'm getting into:

Doom Eternal

Shadow of the Tomb Raider

Just Cause 4

Dishonoured 2

LOTR: Shadow of War

Watchdogs 2

Borderlands 3

This is a small list but you get the picture.  I plan to play at 1440, since right now I have a Acer Predator X34, but after seeing the video on Samsungs G7 27" gaming monitor on LTT video I'm kinda sold on that monitor.

 

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

No parts all new PC build.  I build a new one ever other nVidia generation (1080, skip 2080, 3080, skip 4080, 5080, etc; or Radeon which ever is better, this year I'm going to root for team green and will upgrade when they announce the new 30 series RTX)

 

 

My current rig: Built in 2016 when 1080 GTX Founders were announce/available (~June 16, 2016) - This was about 7K$ USD for this PC at time of build

• 2x MSI Founders Ed Geforce 1080GTX (June16, 2016 they arrived)
• Acer Predator X34 monitor
• Asus ROG Maximus VIII Extreme MoBo
• Intel Core I7-6700K
• G.Skillz TridentZ Series 32GB DDR4 3200 PC4 25600
• Samsung 950 PRO M.2 2280 512GB SSD (gaming drive)
• Samsung EVO 256GB SSD (Windows)
• 5x6TB Seagate Barracuda Raid 0 (30TB space)
• CM Cosmos II case
• Corsair AX1500i PS

Here are some pictures of my last build:

 

This has lasted my 4 years and it's not bad at gaming right now, but like I mentioned earlier I like to do a full PC build every 4ish years.  I usually build around a new Graphics card generation; Ampere being the one I'll build this PC around.

 

Currently I'm at war between Intel and AMD, and I know most people will recommend AMD, but I've been a long time Intel person (stability is a big deal for me).  Recently just looking at this objectively AMD seems to have an edge over the comp.  I'm curious if the Fall Intel Chips will compete with AMD.

Anyway here is what is in my Newegg/Amazon Shopping cart, and I'm curious what LTT people would recommend:

I personally would like to hear from the staff versus random people, but I don't mind hearing opinions on the matter

AMD

• MSI MEG X570 GODLIKE MoBo
• Ryzen 9 3900X (though I know the 3950XT are out?)
• Corsair Dominator Platinum RGB 32GB DDR4 3600

Intel

• Core i7-10700k
• Asus ROG Maximus XII Hero Z490
• Corsair Dominator Platinum RGB 32GB DDR4 3600

 

As for graphics I'm going to be waiting till Aug/Sep when (I'm hoping) nVidia and AMD release there new cards for the year and (maybe) buy two (I'm still trying to weight my opinion on SLi; It's not like my good old days of my Monster VooDoo 2's 12MB SLI [Scan-line Interleave] cards where you saw double the performance; yes I'm that old and yes that was my first PC build Pent 2- 266MHz, 128MB RAM [when CAS was at 2.5-3-3 or lower] with dual Voodoo 2's playing Unreal 1 at 1024*768 at a cool 60+ FPS).  I know I'm old, hell sometimes, I wonder where Matrox went, they had a great video card product too.  Anyway I hope to hear from the LTT crew.  I'm currently leaning AMD right now but it's really hard because stability, though PCI-e 4, and high RAM clock speeds is thing too.

P.S. you can tell I'm old because I'm rambling on like an old man!

 

[Victoryous]

4 minutes ago, BlueScope819 said:

There are no Fall Intel Chips. They are done for this generation, AMD is going to design their CPUs specifically to destroy them, so this is probably your best bet. No need to go for an X570 Godlike, you can get away with a high end B550 board just fine, with next gen AMD stuff. You don't need PCIe 4.0, this isn't a data center you are running here. As for GPU, probably just a single card, the 3080 ti or whatever. You could probably sell your two 1080s for a pretty good amount, which would cover a lot of it.

I believe PCIe 4 for the next gen cards will matter.  I hope/plan on trying to get 165+ FPS in most games I play.  Though I won't be playing them at 4K since I'm going back to the 1440 res but I'm hoping that DLSS v3 will help make most supported games look like 4K.

[Victoryous]

5 minutes ago, BlueScope819 said:

An RTX 2080 ti has about a 5% performance uplift going from PCIe 2.0 to PCIe 3.0, it really does not matter.

Cool... Thanks for the feedback.  Again like I mentioned I'm hoping that one of the LTT folks can comment or help out (hopefully Linus; but I I have a feeling he's an extremely busy person).

[Victoryous]

1 minute ago, BlueScope819 said:

Yeah they are a multi million dollar media company, sorry to say but I and the other experienced people on this forum are all you are gonna get, they just don't have time. If you want to message him his tag is LinusTech, with an @ symbol in front.

Yea I figured.  I feel like I've had a very similar story as Linus.  I'm also experienced and know quite a bit (though I'm always learning and open minded) as I've been building PC's since 1996; I worked for a computer shop that dealt with higher end components.  I built my first PC in 1997 and I used to build many a day at the computer shop where I worked at till 2007.  I built that PC above pictured, as with all my other PC's I've had.  I will be doing an ARGB build this time around and will use a mid tower ATX case; as that CM Cosmos II case is over 100LBS which is not LAN friendly LOL.

Thanks again BlueScope.

[rx590overclocker]

I would suggest going with AMD over Intel in this day and age.  the reason why: 

 

[dizmo]

If you want stability, I'd go with Intel. AMD has come a long way, but there's still some odd things here and there that can creep up.

You also get an extra generation of CPU compatibility if you go with their board, if somehow the chip they bring out next year is incredibly tempting for you.

 

Same goes for the GPU. Don't get AMD if you want stability. Yes, they've put in work, but after this years fiasco with the 5700 series I 100% will not purchase one of their GPUs until they have at least two years of solid, problem free drivers. It's pathetic that such a large company drops the ball like that.

 

That case (perhaps the newer version) was my dream case. But after seeing it here, I'm glad I never ordered one. That thing is huge!
Sweet, but much larger than anything I'd want.

 

35 minutes ago, BlueScope819 said:

There are no Fall Intel Chips. They are done for this generation, AMD is going to design their CPUs specifically to destroy them, so this is probably your best bet. No need to go for an X570 Godlike, you can get away with a high end B550 board just fine, with next gen AMD stuff. You don't need PCIe 4.0, this isn't a data center you are running here. As for GPU, probably just a single card, the 3080 ti or whatever. You could probably sell your two 1080s for a pretty good amount, which would cover a lot of it.

What? AMDs CPUs are already designed. They're not going to magically improve substantially over the course of a few months.

With his budget and spending habits, he likely enjoys going for the enthusiast stuff. B550 isn't really what he's after.

 

[Ardianto Cahyo]

42 minutes ago, Victoryous said:

Budget (including currency): ~6K$ USD (I can go a little higher than this but I'm going to limit it to this).

Country: US

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Gaming

I play a lot of games, and I'm little hardcore with my games:

I play mostly FPS's but here is a current list of backlog games I'm getting into:

Doom Eternal

Shadow of the Tomb Raider

Just Cause 4

Dishonoured 2

LOTR: Shadow of War

Watchdogs 2

Borderlands 3

This is a small list but you get the picture.  I plan to play at 1440, since right now I have a Acer Predator X34, but after seeing the video on Samsungs G7 27" gaming monitor on LTT video I'm kinda sold on that monitor.

 

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

No parts all new PC build.  I build a new one ever other nVidia generation (1080, skip 2080, 3080, skip 4080, 5080, etc; or Radeon which ever is better, this year I'm going to root for team green and will upgrade when they announce the new 30 series RTX)

 

 

My current rig: Built in 2016 when 1080 GTX Founders were announce/available (~June 16, 2016) - This was about 7K$ USD for this PC at time of build

• 2x MSI Founders Ed Geforce 1080GTX (June16, 2016 they arrived)
• Acer Predator X34 monitor
• Asus ROG Maximus VIII Extreme MoBo
• Intel Core I7-6700K
• G.Skillz TridentZ Series 32GB DDR4 3200 PC4 25600
• Samsung 950 PRO M.2 2280 512GB SSD (gaming drive)
• Samsung EVO 256GB SSD (Windows)
• 5x6TB Seagate Barracuda Raid 0 (30TB space)
• CM Cosmos II case
• Corsair AX1500i PS

Here are some pictures of my last build:

 

This has lasted my 4 years and it's not bad at gaming right now, but like I mentioned earlier I like to do a full PC build every 4ish years.  I usually build around a new Graphics card generation; Ampere being the one I'll build this PC around.

 

Currently I'm at war between Intel and AMD, and I know most people will recommend AMD, but I've been a long time Intel person (stability is a big deal for me).  Recently just looking at this objectively AMD seems to have an edge over the comp.  I'm curious if the Fall Intel Chips will compete with AMD.

Anyway here is what is in my Newegg/Amazon Shopping cart, and I'm curious what LTT people would recommend:

I personally would like to hear from the staff versus random people, but I don't mind hearing opinions on the matter

AMD

• MSI MEG X570 GODLIKE MoBo
• Ryzen 9 3900X (though I know the 3950XT are out?)
• Corsair Dominator Platinum RGB 32GB DDR4 3600

Intel

• Core i7-10700k
• Asus ROG Maximus XII Hero Z490
• Corsair Dominator Platinum RGB 32GB DDR4 3600

 

As for graphics I'm going to be waiting till Aug/Sep when (I'm hoping) nVidia and AMD release there new cards for the year and (maybe) buy two (I'm still trying to weight my opinion on SLi; It's not like my good old days of my Monster VooDoo 2's 12MB SLI [Scan-line Interleave] cards where you saw double the performance; yes I'm that old and yes that was my first PC build Pent 2- 266MHz, 128MB RAM [when CAS was at 2.5-3-3 or lower] with dual Voodoo 2's playing Unreal 1 at 1024*768 at a cool 60+ FPS).  I know I'm old, hell sometimes, I wonder where Matrox went, they had a great video card product too.  Anyway I hope to hear from the LTT crew.  I'm currently leaning AMD right now but it's really hard because stability, though PCI-e 4, and high RAM clock speeds is thing too.

P.S. you can tell I'm old because I'm rambling on like an old man!

 

To be honest, i ever use the intel processors and in term of stability and performance on the past, it already serve me well. AMD processors on the other hand might be a better choice for current gen considering their performance and value they brought to consumer. Just keep in mind that ryzen processors performance depends on the temp and RAM speed.

 

Personally, i'll go with the AMD processor since it has lower TDP (less heat, better temp), but again back to your preference. PCIE 4.0 is not really matters for current gen GPU, and the performance difference is just several percent. Nvidia's products until this point still sticking to PCIE 3.0 while AMD GPU already supports 4.0 but again the difference is not that huge.

 

Cheers.

[rx590overclocker]

3 minutes ago, dizmo said:

If you want stability, I'd go with Intel. AMD has come a long way, but there's still some odd things here and there that can creep up.

You also get an extra generation of CPU compatibility if you go with their board, if somehow the chip they bring out next year is incredibly tempting for you.

 

Same goes for the GPU. Don't get AMD if you want stability. Yes, they've put in work, but after this years fiasco with the 5700 series I 100% will not purchase one of their GPUs until they have at least two years of solid, problem free drivers. It's pathetic that such a large company drops the ball like that.

 

What? AMDs CPUs are already designed. They're not going to magically improve substantially over the course of a few months.

With his budget and spending habits, he likely enjoys going for the enthusiast stuff. B550 isn't really what he's after.

 

You call AMD a large company.  They are doing amazing, and they are not a huge company.

 

Intel has about 110,000 employees while AMD has about 11,000.  So if anything AMD is doing phenomonal for the number of employees they have.  And Intel is not faultless either.  They are lying about their manufacturing node, having MANY SIGNIFICANT security problems, and taking their chips farther into the red and reducing overclocking room.  The only major improvements they have made is increasing wattage, heat, and clock speed.  They are rushing chips out, and fighting with consumers instead of with AMD.  

[Ardianto Cahyo]

3 minutes ago, dizmo said:

If you want stability, I'd go with Intel. AMD has come a long way, but there's still some odd things here and there that can creep up.

You also get an extra generation of CPU compatibility if you go with their board, if somehow the chip they bring out next year is incredibly tempting for you.

 

Same goes for the GPU. Don't get AMD if you want stability. Yes, they've put in work, but after this years fiasco with the 5700 series I 100% will not purchase one of their GPUs until they have at least two years of solid, problem free drivers. It's pathetic that such a large company drops the ball like that.

 

That case (perhaps the newer version) was my dream case. But after seeing it here, I'm glad I never ordered one. That thing is huge!
Sweet, but much larger than anything I'd want.

 

What? AMDs CPUs are already designed. They're not going to magically improve substantially over the course of a few months.

With his budget and spending habits, he likely enjoys going for the enthusiast stuff. B550 isn't really what he's after.

 

We have different CPU preference, but 100% agree with this guys GPU preference, just buy the Nvidia GPU. AMD GPU still have more room for instability (from what people said and reviews), compared to Nvidia's. Although I'm using NAVI AMD GPU and have no issues so far. Last time AMD releasing their GPU, the drivers is not that good and lots of people having issues (blackscreen, crash,etc) so keep in mind about that :v

[Ardianto Cahyo]

12 minutes ago, rx590overclocker said:

You call AMD a large company.  They are doing amazing, and they are not a huge company.

 

Intel has about 110,000 employees while AMD has about 11,000.  So if anything AMD is doing phenomonal for the number of employees they have.  And Intel is not faultless either.  They are lying about their manufacturing node, having MANY SIGNIFICANT security problems, and taking their chips farther into the red and reducing overclocking room.  The only major improvements they have made is increasing wattage, heat, and clock speed.  They are rushing chips out, and fighting with consumers instead of with AMD.  

Kinda salty with intel's products bro? :v 

 

Sadly it's true, they reducing the room for OC and they charge an expensive amount of money for that (the unlocked chips version). Here in AU, i recently compared the price of i7 10700 on an online shop which have AUD519 price and the K version reaching AUD695.

[rx590overclocker]

1 minute ago, Ardianto Cahyo said:

Kinda salty with intel's products bro? :v 

 

Sadly it's true, they reducing the room for OC and they charge an expensive amount of money for that (the unlocked chips version). Here in AU, i recently compared the price of i7 10700 on an online shop which have AUD519 price and the K version reaching AUD695.

I admit to being an AMD fan boy.  I used to use it for budget reasons (I'm 15 years old xD) and i used to wish for intel.  But not anymore.  

[Victoryous]

1 hour ago, dizmo said:

If you want stability, I'd go with Intel. AMD has come a long way, but there's still some odd things here and there that can creep up.

You also get an extra generation of CPU compatibility if you go with their board, if somehow the chip they bring out next year is incredibly tempting for you.

 

Same goes for the GPU. Don't get AMD if you want stability. Yes, they've put in work, but after this years fiasco with the 5700 series I 100% will not purchase one of their GPUs until they have at least two years of solid, problem free drivers. It's pathetic that such a large company drops the ball like that.

 

That case (perhaps the newer version) was my dream case. But after seeing it here, I'm glad I never ordered one. That thing is huge!
Sweet, but much larger than anything I'd want.

 

What? AMDs CPUs are already designed. They're not going to magically improve substantially over the course of a few months.

With his budget and spending habits, he likely enjoys going for the enthusiast stuff. B550 isn't really what he's after.

 

Yes the COSMOS II is not a small case, and is very heavy.  As for the B550 MoBo I wasn't going to go that route as you mentioned I'm an enthusiast and will likely hit up the X570.

That third sentence you were talking AMD right? 

[dizmo]

Just now, Victoryous said:

Yes the COSMOS II is not a small case, and is very heavy.  As for the B550 MoBo I wasn't going to go that route as you mentioned I'm an enthusiast and will likely hit up the X570.

That third sentence you were talking AMD right? 

About the GPUs? Yes. I wouldn't buy an AMD one.

[Victoryous]

11 minutes ago, dizmo said:

About the GPUs? Yes. I wouldn't buy an AMD one.

No I was talking about this sentence: "You also get an extra generation of CPU compatibility if you go with their board, if somehow the chip they bring out next year is incredibly tempting for you."  You were talking AMD, cause there X570 series will cover this gen and next.  Where as Intel is (I think) changing up the pin layout and going 570 series of boards (which I'm guessing will try to support PCIe 5.0 among other features; but again that won't be till next year or Q4 this year).  I think I'm going to go AMD for CPU with the three items, and than nVidia GPU when they announce them.  My upgrade won't happen until they announce them.

 

Next questions for everybody:

• SLI or no SLI?
• Which Drives should I do?  I was thinking m.2 NVMe raided drives with a PCIe NVMe/raid card, going with like 4 512GB-1TB of them and doing a Raid 0 (I don't care for redundancy all my docs are backed up on the cloud; everything else is just game saves and windows)
• I also want to start streaming, I wouldn't mind some pointers on that.  I would like to stream my PC build.

 

[rx590overclocker]

if u get a pcie 4.0 interface on the m.2, u will not need raid 0 to get extreme read and write

[rx590overclocker]

11 minutes ago, Victoryous said:

No I was talking about this sentence: "You also get an extra generation of CPU compatibility if you go with their board, if somehow the chip they bring out next year is incredibly tempting for you."  You were talking AMD, cause there X570 series will cover this gen and next.  Where as Intel is (I think) changing up the pin layout and going 570 series of boards (which I'm guessing will try to support PCIe 5.0 among other features; but again that won't be till next year or Q4 this year).  I think I'm going to go AMD for CPU with the three items, and than nVidia GPU when they announce them.  My upgrade won't happen until they announce them.

 

Next questions for everybody:

• SLI or no SLI?
• Which Drives should I do?  I was thinking m.2 NVMe raided drives with a PCIe NVMe/raid card, going with like 4 512GB-1TB of them and doing a Raid 0 (I don't care for redundancy all my docs are backed up on the cloud; everything else is just game saves and windows)
• I also want to start streaming, I wouldn't mind some pointers on that.  I would like to stream my PC build.

 

the Corsair MP600 Gen4 is an amazing m.2

[rx590overclocker]

@Victoryous

Do you want to stay with x570? with that budget you could go TR4 and a 3970x, or a 3960x and you would still have plenty of money for GPUs

[dizmo]

1 hour ago, rx590overclocker said:

You call AMD a large company.  They are doing amazing, and they are not a huge company.

 

Intel has about 110,000 employees while AMD has about 11,000.  So if anything AMD is doing phenomonal for the number of employees they have.  And Intel is not faultless either.  They are lying about their manufacturing node, having MANY SIGNIFICANT security problems, and taking their chips farther into the red and reducing overclocking room.  The only major improvements they have made is increasing wattage, heat, and clock speed.  They are rushing chips out, and fighting with consumers instead of with AMD.  

Almost 7 billion in revenue and over 11,000 employees. Yeah, I'd sure say they're a large company.

 

You make it seem like AMD has no security issues. Which is not true.

 

Sure, they're not as big as Intel. But that absolutely does not excuse the fact that they've had numerous driver issues for well over a decade.

Also not sure why you'd pick Intel. It's not a logical choice. Why not compare it to Nvidia, who has about the same number of employees?
Oh, right. Because your point doesn't make any sense in that case.

11 minutes ago, Victoryous said:

No I was talking about this sentence: "You also get an extra generation of CPU compatibility if you go with their board, if somehow the chip they bring out next year is incredibly tempting for you."  You were talking AMD, cause there X570 series will cover this gen and next.  Where as Intel is (I think) changing up the pin layout and going 570 series of boards (which I'm guessing will try to support PCIe 5.0 among other features; but again that won't be till next year or Q4 this year).  I think I'm going to go AMD for CPU with the three items, and than nVidia GPU when they announce them.  My upgrade won't happen until they announce them.

 

Next questions for everybody:

• SLI or no SLI?
• Which Drives should I do?  I was thinking m.2 NVMe raided drives with a PCIe NVMe/raid card, going with like 4 512GB-1TB of them and doing a Raid 0 (I don't care for redundancy all my docs are backed up on the cloud; everything else is just game saves and windows)
• I also want to start streaming, I wouldn't mind some pointers on that.  I would like to stream my PC build.

 

Ah, yes Intel still has another chip coming out for the LGA1200 socket. After this release, AMD does not.

I mean, SLI will give you a slight performance boost in the titles that it works on, but those are becoming fewer and fewer.

I wouldn't RAID a drive. No point at the speeds they're reaching. I'd just spend the money on capacity.

 

[dizmo]

3 minutes ago, rx590overclocker said:

@Victoryous

Do you want to stay with x570? with that budget you could go TR4 and a 3970x, or a 3960x and you would still have plenty of money for GPUs

Threadripper is a horrible choice for gaming.

[Victoryous]

6 minutes ago, rx590overclocker said:

the Corsair MP600 Gen4 is an amazing m.2

I really like this suggestion.  I'll added it to my list. Thanks

 

[rx590overclocker]

2 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Almost 7 billion in revenue and over 11,000 employees. Yeah, I'd sure say they're a large company.

 

You make it seem like AMD has no security issues. Which is not true.

 

Sure, they're not as big as Intel. But that absolutely does not excuse the fact that they've had numerous driver issues for well over a decade.

Also not sure why you'd pick Intel. It's not a logical choice. Why not compare it to Nvidia, who has about the same number of employees?
Oh, right. Because your point doesn't make any sense in that case.

Ah, yes Intel still has another chip coming out for the LGA1200 socket. After this release, AMD does not.

I mean, SLI will give you a slight performance boost in the titles that it works on, but those are becoming fewer and fewer.

I wouldn't RAID a drive. No point at the speeds they're reaching. I'd just spend the money on capacity.

 

you are absolutely right.  I did pick Intel becuz Nvidia only has 17,000.  well played.

[dizmo]

2 minutes ago, rx590overclocker said:

you are absolutely right.  I did pick Intel becuz Nvidia only has 17,000.  well played.

13,000.

Your argument make 0 sense.

 

[rx590overclocker]

3 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Almost 7 billion in revenue and over 11,000 employees. Yeah, I'd sure say they're a large company.

 

You make it seem like AMD has no security issues. Which is not true.

 

Sure, they're not as big as Intel. But that absolutely does not excuse the fact that they've had numerous driver issues for well over a decade.

Also not sure why you'd pick Intel. It's not a logical choice. Why not compare it to Nvidia, who has about the same number of employees?
Oh, right. Because your point doesn't make any sense in that case.

Ah, yes Intel still has another chip coming out for the LGA1200 socket. After this release, AMD does not.

I mean, SLI will give you a slight performance boost in the titles that it works on, but those are becoming fewer and fewer.

I wouldn't RAID a drive. No point at the speeds they're reaching. I'd just spend the money on capacity.

 

and i admit that AMD has security issues.  I was just trying to point out that all big tech companies have problems.  Nvidia has pretty bad QC on the 2080 ti series of GPUs as you can see in the below links:

https://www.fool.com/investing/2019/01/03/nvidias-biggest-hurdle-for-2019.aspx

https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/nvidia-admits-2080-ti-problems/

https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/279765-nvidias-rtx-2080-ti-may-be-failing-at-abnormally-high-rates

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2018/11/15/nvidia-confirms-rtx-2080-ti-problem-the-same-day-one-bursts-into-flames/#4f06a7434958

 

[rx590overclocker]

4 minutes ago, dizmo said:

13,000.

Your argument make 0 sense.

 

and need i remind you that Nvidia + Linux = $hit

[rx590overclocker]

6 minutes ago, dizmo said:

13,000.

Your argument make 0 sense.

 

I am sure you have the money for a nice 980 ti and a qhd or 4k monitor, but not everybody does.  I am 15 years old.  I am a 1080 gamer, and the vast majority of us gamers still are.  and for 1080 gaming AMD represents a phenominal value.