Help with this build

[Robot_Crab]

Budget (including currency): £1250

Country: UK

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: I'd like to be able to play Star Citizen but that's a big ask. I render a lot of 3D CGI stuff for work and there is an overlap with being able to play AAA titles with the same hardware.

Other details: I'm upgrading from an old PC but the parts are a good 3/4 years out of date that I want to build a new machine and potentially just keep the older one as a backup rendering machine. Any recommendations for decent monitors too would be amazing (4K if possible)

 

Thanks in advance!

[KGGaming]

Im guessing this is a prebuilt, generally you can save a lot of money if you build it yourself

[KGGaming]

How about this 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	£147.90 @ Amazon UK
Motherboard	MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard	£179.99 @ CCL Computers
Memory	G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory	£108.36 @ Newegg UK
Storage	Crucial P1 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	£60.97 @ CCL Computers
Storage	Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	£53.79 @ CCL Computers
Video Card	PowerColor Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB Red Devil Video Card	£395.99 @ Amazon UK
Case	Phanteks Eclipse P400A Digital ATX Mid Tower Case	£80.26 @ Ebuyer
Power Supply	Corsair RM (2019) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	£108.76 @ CCL Computers
Operating System	Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit	£100.38 @ Aria PC
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	£1236.40
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-06-26 09:31 BST+0100

 

[Robot_Crab]

Yeah it's pre-built, I always get a bit overwhelmed by trying to work out what is compatible and what will fit inside a case. Do you reckon your build will give me more bang for my buck?

 

Thanks by the way, appreciate the assist!

[KGGaming]

Well the 5700xt is the equilavant of a 2080 super maybe better, so for graphics it will be better bang for your bucks. And if since you plan on doing gaming I don't think you'll need 32gb of ram. But the extra speed will greatly improve performance

[coldcoconutoil]

Just now, Robot_Crab said:

Yeah it's pre-built, I always get a bit overwhelmed by trying to work out what is compatible and what will fit inside a case. Do you reckon your build will give me more bang for my buck?

defintely, the rx5700xt is an absolute bargain and performs better than the 2060 super for almost the same or cheaper price. youre also getting a MUCH BETTER B550 motherboard, instead of the cheap b450 thats listed there. much faster memory as well, which ryzen cpus hugely benefit from, instead of the listed 2400mhz listed, which is irrelevant as of now.

 

its always better to build a pc rather than to get a prebuilt. if youre not sure about the compatibility then were here to help

[KGGaming]

You could go with a cheaper psu to get that 32gb of ram though

[coldcoconutoil]

2 minutes ago, KGGaming said:

Well the 5700xt is the equilavant of a 2080 super maybe better, so for graphics it will be better bang for your bucks. And if since you plan on doing gaming I don't think you'll need 32gb of ram. But the extra speed will greatly improve performance

its not equivalent to a 2080 super, no way. but its suffiecient for his needs.

 

the 5700xt is a competitor to the 2060, 2060 super and 2070 super.

[KGGaming]

If you bought an oem off an external site for like £20, you could afford the 32gb of ram

[marmour]

3 minutes ago, KGGaming said:

Well the 5700xt is the equilavant of a 2080 super maybe better, so for graphics it will be better bang for your bucks. And if since you plan on doing gaming I don't think you'll need 32gb of ram. But the extra speed will greatly improve performance

Do you mean 2070 super? 2080S is noticeably more powerful than the 5700XT

[KGGaming]

1 minute ago, marmour said:

Do you mean 2070 super? 2080S is noticeably more powerful than the 5700XT

Yeah I think I meant that

 

[Robot_Crab]

4 minutes ago, PoopThatTookAPee said:

defintely, the rx5700xt is an absolute bargain and performs better than the 2060 super for almost the same or cheaper price. youre also getting a MUCH BETTER B550 motherboard, instead of the cheap b450 thats listed there. much faster memory as well, which ryzen cpus hugely benefit from, instead of the listed 2400mhz listed, which is irrelevant as of now.

 

its always better to build a pc rather than to get a prebuilt. if youre not sure about the compatibility then were here to help

I thought this would be the best place to ask for assistance, appreciate it!

 

2 minutes ago, KGGaming said:

If you bought an oem off an external site for like £20, you could afford the 32gb of ram

I had no idea you could get windows 10 somewhere on the cheap, that would make a nice bit of difference

[Robot_Crab]

18 minutes ago, KGGaming said:

How about this 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	£147.90 @ Amazon UK
Motherboard	MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard	£179.99 @ CCL Computers
Memory	G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory	£108.36 @ Newegg UK
Storage	Crucial P1 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	£60.97 @ CCL Computers
Storage	Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	£53.79 @ CCL Computers
Video Card	PowerColor Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB Red Devil Video Card	£395.99 @ Amazon UK
Case	Phanteks Eclipse P400A Digital ATX Mid Tower Case	£80.26 @ Ebuyer
Power Supply	Corsair RM (2019) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	£108.76 @ CCL Computers
Operating System	Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit	£100.38 @ Aria PC
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	£1236.40
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-06-26 09:31 BST+0100

 

I'm currently having trouble with the heat of my PC (particularly in this weather), would it be worth investing in a cooling system/fan or is that just personal preference?

[coldcoconutoil]

@Robot_Crab i would suggest for you to wait until 7th july for the 3600 XT refreshes to come out. if you can wait longer, wait for 4th gen ryzen. much better IPCs and overall a newer generation; it can only benefit you. even if they arent affordable, the older cpu prices will drop massively and youll get a newer and much better gpu or something.

if you can wait EVEN MORE longer, then new generation 'ampere' and 'big navi' gpus will come out, further giving you more performance for lesser costs

[Mateyyy]

2 minutes ago, KGGaming said:

Well the 5700xt is the equilavant of a 2080 super maybe better

It trails the 2070 Super. Better than a 2080S? lol

 

I'd really suggest you build your own rig. The part selection for that prebuilt is far from optimal.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	£147.90 @ Amazon UK
Motherboard	MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard	£179.99 @ CCL Computers
Memory	Crucial Ballistix 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory	£92.99 @ Amazon UK
Storage	ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	£129.99 @ CCL Computers
Video Card	Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB WINDFORCE OC 3X Video Card	£486.31 @ Amazon UK
Case	Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case	£89.99 @ Currys PC World
Power Supply	Corsair RMx (2018) 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	£87.98 @ Currys PC World Business
Case Fan	be quiet! SilentWings 3 pwm 59.5 CFM 140 mm Fan	£20.84 @ Amazon UK
Case Fan	be quiet! SilentWings 3 pwm 59.5 CFM 140 mm Fan	£20.84 @ Amazon UK
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	£1256.83
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-06-26 09:50 BST+0100

Alternatively, if your rendering software can only leverage the CPU, you could get a 3700X instead and drop the GPU to a 5700XT - the models I'd suggest are the MSI Gaming X, Powercolor Red Dragon and Sapphire Pulse.

[coldcoconutoil]

1 minute ago, Robot_Crab said:

I'm currently having trouble with the heat of my PC (particularly in this weather), would it be worth investing in a cooling system/fan or is that just personal preference?

the stock cooler that comes with the 3600 is a little lacking, but it is not bad either. its upto you if you want a fan cooler or an AIO, but you wont need to spend north of 50-60 USD.

 

3 minutes ago, Robot_Crab said:

I had no idea you could get windows 10 somewhere on the cheap, that would make a nice bit of difference

those are OEM keys that you can find on various websites, and are no different from the windows version you would buy for a 100 pounds.

[marmour]

35 minutes ago, Robot_Crab said:

 

IF you want to build your own, consider this list. You will get better performance and higher quality components if you build your own, however it requires time, extra effort and can be a hassle if you have to return parts.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor	£251.02 @ Amazon UK
Motherboard	MSI MAG B550M MORTAR Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	£156.99 @ Box Limited
Memory	Team T-FORCE VULCAN Z 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory	£118.65 @ Amazon UK
Storage	Crucial P1 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	£60.97 @ CCL Computers
Video Card	Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB GAMING OC 3X Video Card	£498.00 @ Technextday
Case	Phanteks Eclipse P400A Digital ATX Mid Tower Case	£80.26 @ Ebuyer
Power Supply	Corsair TXM Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply	£79.98 @ Currys PC World Business
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	£1245.87
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-06-26 09:50 BST+0100

Few thing to note:

-if you got 16gb of ram and a 3600 (more than enough for gaming) you could get a 2080S. This would be the best config for a purely gaming pc.

-if you want to get the most value and don't care about nvidias extra features, the 5700XT is only slightly worse than the 2070S for a decent saving, so get it instead

 

Hope this helps

[Stahlmann]

The 3700X will perform better in most rendering tasks. Also included a nice cooler and case, so the system is nice and quiet.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor	£251.02 @ Amazon UK
CPU Cooler	be quiet! Dark Rock 4 CPU Cooler	£55.07 @ Amazon UK
Motherboard	MSI B550-A PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard	£158.63 @ Overclockers.co.uk
Memory	Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory	£76.83 @ Amazon UK
Storage	Crucial P1 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	£99.98 @ CCL Computers
Video Card	Sapphire Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB PULSE Video Card	£394.68 @ Technextday
Case	be quiet! Pure Base 500DX ATX Mid Tower Case	£95.99 @ Amazon UK
Power Supply	Cooler Master MWE Bronze V2 650 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply	£59.99 @ Box Limited
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	£1192.19
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-06-26 09:54 BST+0100

Just get a cheap windows oem key online.

[coldcoconutoil]

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor	£251.02 @ Amazon UK
Motherboard	MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard	£179.99 @ CCL Computers
Memory	G.Skill Ripjaws V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory	£176.76 @ Newegg UK
Storage	Crucial P1 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	£99.98 @ CCL Computers
Video Card	Sapphire Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB PULSE Video Card	£394.68 @ Technextday
Case	Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case	£89.99 @ Currys PC World
Power Supply	Corsair TXM Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply	£79.98 @ Currys PC World Business
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	£1272.40
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-06-26 10:02 BST+0100

you can use the wraith prism stock cooler that comes with the 3700x, or throw in another cooler later.

[Robot_Crab]

Thanks, everyone, you've given me a lot to think about for my budget! Seems like I can get something more future proof for the same amount of cash

 

Big love

[Robot_Crab]

Last question, I can't always get access to an ethernet cable, what good WiFi card/adapters can I use with the MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4? Or is it built in, I'm unsure

[Guest]

The Mortar wifi has onboard wifi 6.

 

Good value case that comes with 4 ARGB fans pre-installed.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor  (£250.56 @ Amazon UK) 
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Freezer 34 eSports DUO CPU Cooler  (£37.73 @ Overclockers.co.uk) 
Motherboard: MSI MAG B550M MORTAR WIFI Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£169.98 @ Amazon UK) 
Memory: Team T-FORCE DARK Za 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  (£115.16 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (£129.99 @ CCL Computers) 
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB Red Dragon Video Card  (£359.99 @ CCL Computers) 
Case: Aerocool Aero One Eclipse ATX Mid Tower Case  (£59.98 @ Amazon UK) 
Power Supply: Corsair TXM Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply  (£79.98 @ Currys PC World Business) 
Total: £1203.37
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-06-26 11:23 BST+0100

[Robot_Crab]

How about this build?

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor  (£147.90 @ Amazon UK) 
Motherboard: MSI MAG B550M MORTAR WIFI Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£169.98 @ Amazon UK) 
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory  (£92.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (£129.99 @ CCL Computers) 
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB WINDFORCE OC 3X Video Card  (£486.31 @ Amazon UK) 
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case  (£89.99 @ Currys PC World) 
Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2018) 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (£87.98 @ Currys PC World Business) 
Case Fan: be quiet! SilentWings 3 pwm 59.5 CFM 140 mm Fan  (£20.84 @ Amazon UK) 
Case Fan: be quiet! SilentWings 3 pwm 59.5 CFM 140 mm Fan  (£20.84 @ Amazon UK) 
Total: £1246.82
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-06-26 11:55 BST+0100

[Guest]

5 hours ago, Robot_Crab said:

How about this build?

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor  (£147.90 @ Amazon UK) 
Motherboard: MSI MAG B550M MORTAR WIFI Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£169.98 @ Amazon UK) 
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory  (£92.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (£129.99 @ CCL Computers) 
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB WINDFORCE OC 3X Video Card  (£486.31 @ Amazon UK) 
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case  (£89.99 @ Currys PC World) 
Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2018) 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (£87.98 @ Currys PC World Business) 
Case Fan: be quiet! SilentWings 3 pwm 59.5 CFM 140 mm Fan  (£20.84 @ Amazon UK) 
Case Fan: be quiet! SilentWings 3 pwm 59.5 CFM 140 mm Fan  (£20.84 @ Amazon UK) 
Total: £1246.82
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-06-26 11:55 BST+0100

You are spending more money for less performance (CPU at least). 

That Ram is expensive, considering the kit in my list is only £22 or so more for double the amount.

The 5700XT is better value and isn't much slower than the 2070 Super. Saves another £100+

I would look at Arctic P/F fans as a cheaper alternative.

[Avocheeseado]

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	£147.90 @ Amazon UK
Motherboard	MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard	£179.99 @ CCL Computers
Memory	Crucial Ballistix RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory	£89.99 @ Amazon UK
Storage	Western Digital Blue SN550 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	£113.99 @ Amazon UK
Storage	Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	£53.79 @ CCL Computers
Video Card	PowerColor Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB Red Dragon Video Card	£359.99 @ CCL Computers
Case	Phanteks Eclipse P400A Digital ATX Mid Tower Case	£80.26 @ Ebuyer
Power Supply	Corsair RM (2019) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	£109.97 @ CCL Computers
Operating System	Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit	£20.00
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	£1155.88
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-06-26 21:04 BST+0100

if you dont feel comfortable buying windows from places like cdkeys and kinguin then you could but windows straight from microsoft. £120 tho! This power supply is overkill for now but will last you for ages even if you chuck a 2080ti in there. It is also modular so much easier for cable management. You dont need 32gb ram at tht moment and you can always add it in later. If you dont think you need all that storage then you can always just use a 1tb ssd or 500gb ssd and 1tb hdd