Changing to AMD

[KMKSKYELAR]

Budget (including currency): 500-600 USD

Country: USA

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: AAA Titles, streaming, and video editing.

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

CPU: I7-9700k

CPU COOLER: Corsair h100i RGB Platinum SE

MOBO: MSI Z390 pro ATX LGA1151
GPU: EVGA GEFORCE RTX 2080 super
RAM: G.Skill Aegis 16gb
STORAGE: WD Blue 500gb M.2, Seagate Barracuda 2tb
PSU: EVGA BQ 600w 80+ bronze

Fans: 3 Corsair LL120 RGB

CASE: Phanteks P300

Monitor: Acer Predator 240hz 1ms 1080p

 

I would like to change my set up to AMD. I know I will need to change my MOBO and CPU Obviously, but will I need to also change my ram? Or would it be fine with what I have. Would more ram be needed or just overkill? I'm also wanting to upgrade my PSU especially if its gonna be needed. (Pretty sure it will be)  Should I wait for the new AMD CPU and MOBO? Also price isnt really set just yet probably will be more than the stated budget if i'm honest. Any and all help is appreciated and thank you for your time. 

[F.E.A.R.]

Well if your RAM is bellow 3000MHz and not CL14 or CL16, then yes, you'll have to get new RAM. I included RAM just in case.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor	$294.14 @ Amazon
Motherboard	Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard	$189.99 @ Best Buy
Memory	Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$79.98 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$564.11
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-05-13 16:50 EDT-0400

 

[Epacnoss]

Normally a 650W PSU is best.

 

As for the RAM, memory frequency is key, and 3600MHz CL16 is best, but 3200MHz and above is fine.

For 500-600 USD you probably want a R7 3700X and a decent B450 or X570 board. For B450 take the MSI B450 Tomohawk max.

[KMKSKYELAR]

I'm not sure if its CL14 or CL16 but it is DDR4 3000mhz

[Dedayog]

Why would you move on from the 9700K right now?  What do you expect more/slower cores to give you for the substantial cash outlay for swapping platforms?

[Morgan MLGman]

6 minutes ago, KMKSKYELAR said:

I'm not sure if its CL14 or CL16 but it is DDR4 3000mhz

Then it's fast-enough for Ryzen. You can always overclock it a little.

Also, why would you switch a 9700K to a 3700X? Don't get me wrong, the 3700X is generally better, but it's such a small difference that it doesn't really justify switching the entire platform.

[KMKSKYELAR]

3 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

Then it's fast-enough for Ryzen. You can always overclock it a little.

Also, why would you switch a 9700K to a 3700X? Don't get me wrong, the 3700X is generally better, but it's such a small difference that it doesn't really justify switching the entire platform.

I really don't have a reason in general to switch, I was having some issues with the 9700k's usage being maxed on games. Also new to the pc building and streaming. A lot of people have been letting me know i should have went with Ryzen at the start and I didn't so I was thinking that maybe switching would fix it.

[TetraSky]

Wait, did you buy your current system yet or is this still just a planning phase and you want to switch out parts before buying?

 

If you've bought it... Please don't waste your money. You won't really benefit much going with AMD at this point. It's not worth it.

[Dedayog]

Just now, KMKSKYELAR said:

I really don't have a reason in general to switch, I was having some issues with the 9700k's usage being maxed on games. Also new to the pc building and streaming. A lot of people have been letting me know i should have went with Ryzen at the start and I didn't so I was thinking that maybe switching would fix it.

If you max a 9700k in gaming, you;ll make the 3700X in games too, with slower cores.  More cores aren't going to help that.  Games still love core speed. Note the AMD new 3xxx chip reviews.

[KMKSKYELAR]

Also forgot to this but I am contributing the 100% usage to the game crashing or stuttering, but like I said I'm new to the PC life and I could be completely wrong.

[KMKSKYELAR]

2 minutes ago, TetraSky said:

Wait, did you buy your current system yet or is this still just a planning phase and you want to switch out parts before buying?

 

If you've bought it... Please don't waste your money. You won't really benefit much going with AMD at this point. It's not worth it.

I have had the pc built for a hot minute and its my first build. Its been probably about 6 months or so I think.

This is also why I posted on here before I decided to buy or anything like that.

[Morgan MLGman]

11 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

If you max a 9700k in gaming, you;ll make the 3700X in games too, with slower cores.  More cores aren't going to help that.  Games still love core speed. Note the AMD new 3xxx chip reviews.

That's not true. 3700X is more powerful in terms of multithreaded performance and I don't know where did you get the impression that the cores are "slower", yes - they are clocked lower but they have higher IPC to make up for the clock difference.

10 minutes ago, KMKSKYELAR said:

I have had the pc built for a hot minute and its my first build. Its been probably about 6 months or so I think.

This is also why I posted on here before I decided to buy or anything like that.

To really notice a difference, you'd have to upgrade to something like a 3900X, and that's a lot of money. If you're willing to pay that much then it will be a decent upgrade and it will definitely fix the problem of the CPU maxing out.

[KMKSKYELAR]

2 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

That's not true. 3700X is more powerful in terms of multithreaded performance and I don't know where did you get the impression that the cores are "slower", yes - they are clocked lower but they have higher IPC to make up for the clock difference.

To really notice a difference, you'd have to upgrade to something like a 3900X, and that's a lot of money. If you're willing to pay that much then it will be a decent upgrade and it will definitely fix the problem of the CPU maxing out.

I have been looking at getting a Ryzen 9 3950x but is it really worth it? I spent close to 1700 if not more on this build just to upgrade it in 6 months.

[Morgan MLGman]

Just now, KMKSKYELAR said:

I have been looking at getting a Ryzen 9 3950x but is it really worth it? I spent close to 1700 if not more on this build just to upgrade it in 6 months.

I personally wouldn't do it. I'd probably look for a used 9900K or something like that to just do a drop-in upgrade and then switch the platform when the 9900K becomes obsolete.

[Dedayog]

4 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

That's not true. 3700X is more powerful in terms of multithreaded performance and I don't know where did you get the impression that the cores are "slower", yes - they are clocked lower but they have higher IPC to make up for the clock difference.

To really notice a difference, you'd have to upgrade to something like a 3900X, and that's a lot of money. If you're willing to pay that much then it will be a decent upgrade and it will definitely fix the problem of the CPU maxing out.

Clocked lower = slower.  Since clocks are a function of things over time.  The 9700K is a better gaming chip than the 3700X.  1% better, 5% better, whatever.  it's better.

 

So what games does a 3700X outperform 9700K?  Or what happens when he overclocks his 9700K to 5GHz?

 

Now, if you're talking mutli-threaded, the 3700X trounces it.  But not gaming.  

[KMKSKYELAR]

4 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

I personally wouldn't do it. I'd probably look for a used 9900K or something like that to just do a drop-in upgrade and then switch the platform when the 9900K becomes obsolete.

 

2 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

Clocked lower = slower.  Since clocks are a function of things over time.  The 9700K is a better gaming chip than the 3700X.  1% better, 5% better, whatever.  it's better.

 

So what games does a 3700X outperform 9700K?  Or what happens when he overclocks his 9700K to 5GHz?

 

Now, if you're talking mutli-threaded, the 3700X trounces it.  But not gaming.  

So either upgrade to a 9900k meaning an i9 or just over clock and I should be good?

Never oc before so maybe I shouldnt do that or is it pretty simple for a lack of a better term.

[Morgan MLGman]

10 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

Clocked lower = slower.  Since clocks are a function of things over time.  The 9700K is a better gaming chip than the 3700X.  1% better, 5% better, whatever.  it's better.

That's not how it works, if a Ryzen chip can do more instructions in one clock cycle, then it needs fewer clock cycles for the same level of performance as a higher-clocked Intel chip with lower IPC, which is instructions per clock/cycle.

10 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

So what games does a 3700X outperform 9700K?  Or what happens when he overclocks his 9700K to 5GHz?

CS:GO? What happens, is you need to spend more money for a cooler and an expensive Z-series board when you can get the same level of performance with the stock Wraith Prism cooler with a cheap B450 motherboard while consuming less power and having a better upgrade path.

6 minutes ago, KMKSKYELAR said:

Now, if you're talking mutli-threaded, the 3700X trounces it.  But not gaming. 

I agree the 9700K is faster in gaming, that doesn't really matter unless you've got a very high-end GPU on a relatively low resolution. I'm gaming with a OC'd 1080Ti at 1440p 144Hz for example - a 9700K would give me exactly zero gains in gaming because my CPU isn't the bottleneck, as it's a well-balanced setup. And yet I'd be losing a lot of other things by going that route.

7 minutes ago, KMKSKYELAR said:

So either upgrade to a 9900k meaning an i9 or just over clock and I should be good?

Never oc before so maybe I shouldnt do that or is it pretty simple for a lack of a better term.

If your cooling is sufficient, overclocking should help with your problem. It may not erase it entirely but it will definitely help, it's not that hard so just watch a few guides from reputable channels and you should be able to do it.

[Dedayog]

26 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

That's not how it works, if a Ryzen chip can do more instructions in one clock cycle, then it needs fewer clock cycles for the same level of performance as a higher-clocked Intel chip with lower IPC, which is instructions per clock/cycle.

CS:GO? What happens, is you need to spend more money for a cooler and an expensive Z-series board when you can get the same level of performance with the stock Wraith Prism cooler with a cheap B450 motherboard while consuming less power and having a better upgrade path.

I agree the 9700K is faster in gaming, that doesn't really matter unless you've got a very high-end GPU on a relatively low resolution. I'm gaming with a OC'd 1080Ti at 1440p 144Hz for example - a 9700K would give me exactly zero gains in gaming because my CPU isn't the bottleneck, as it's a well-balanced setup. And yet I'd be losing a lot of other things by going that route.

If your cooling is sufficient, overclocking should help with your problem. It may not erase it entirely but it will definitely help, it's not that hard so just watch a few guides from reputable channels and you should be able to do it.

I'm sorry but look up some comparison videos, the 9700K is 5-10% faster with a 1080ti, 2080, 2080Ti, etc.  

 

The IPC doesn't make up this ground like you claim.  The performance is simply not there, as shown by video reviews by HW Unboxed, Bitwit, Gamers Nexus, etc.  All reputable channels.  No, not even at 1440p.

 

CS:Go is a AAA title, like the OP says he plays?  

 

Besides, he already owns the 9700k, so t's a moot point anyway.  Sidegrading isn't worth it.

[Morgan MLGman]

1 minute ago, Dedayog said:

IBesides, he already owns the 9700k, so t's a moot point anyway.  Sidegrading isn't worth it.

Oh I agree, that is precisely what I recommended to the OP. I merely mentioned that were he buying a new rig, a 3700X would be a better purchase.

As for gaming performance at 1440p, well this is a graph taken from TechPowerUp's 3700X review summarizing 1440p performance in their testing game suite:

Not a noticeable difference.