Need help with a "clean" build.

[VoidSanctum]

Heyo folks,

I haven't really made anything like this so I need some feedback on the way I'm going with this. It's not that I can't make a build myself, I'm just not sure if I can make something like a b-roll worthy PC on my own.

 

 

1. Budget & Location

Budget is around 700~ish euros and I'm situated in Eastern Europe.

2. Aim

All round everyday PC. I'm looking for good frames(144 at least) for most games and some video editing(nothing serious like 4k)/photoshop. I would love to get into overclocking it as well, but I watched Anthony's video about it and I'm still lost so there's a bit of way to go.I'm also looking to make my clean b-roll worthy build with some rgb goodness, thus I've picked RGB ram as well, but I'd appreciate any tips for strips/anything else.

3. Monitors

I'm currently rocking an Acer VG240YP 144hz 1080 IPS monitor and I'll probably be looking for a 1440p one in the future and having the Acer as my secondary monitor.

4. Peripherals

Already rocking a G305 wireless and a mechanical keyboard so currently nothing.

5. Why are you upgrading?

Recently bought a Nvidia rog strix 1080 TI and realized you can change colours on the RGB of it using the Asus Aurora program and I'm kinda bottlenecking it with an i7-4770(non k). Running 4x4gb ddr3 1600 hz as well. While I know it doesn't affect my processor a lot, upgrading would unlock my GPU to perform to it's fullest.

 

 

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xDN4jp

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($199.99 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 240 56.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($84.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Asus PRIME X570-P ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($147.00 @ B&H) 
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z Neo 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory  ($119.99 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: Cooler Master MWE Gold 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($119.99 @ B&H) 
Total: $671.96
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-17 19:17 EDT-0400

 

These parts are what I've picked out so far and they're the same price in euro so far. I've found an NZXT H510 white case for 80 Euro as well and I haven't included it in the parts picker as there was only the new H510 there.

 

Thanks for any help!

[Tiona]

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/v8VPcq

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($169.99 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Deepcool CASTLE 240EX 64.4 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($114.99 @ Newegg) 
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($114.99 @ B&H) 
Memory: Team T-Force Delta RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($84.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($124.99 @ Best Buy) 
Total: $609.95
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-17 19:37 EDT-0400

 

These parts should be overall better
2600x isn't worth getting as there is very little difference that between 3600x and the 3600. The cooler master MWE gold isn't as good as the Corsair RM (corsair is also slightly cheaper). As for ram the 3600CL39 is basically the same speed as 3200CL38 so no point spending extra on that.

[VoidSanctum]

5 minutes ago, Tiona said:

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/v8VPcq

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($169.99 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Deepcool CASTLE 240EX 64.4 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($114.99 @ Newegg) 
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($114.99 @ B&H) 
Memory: Team T-Force Delta RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($84.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($124.99 @ Best Buy) 
Total: $609.95
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-17 19:37 EDT-0400

 

These parts should be overall better
2600x isn't worth getting as there is very little difference that between 3600x and the 3600. The cooler master MWE gold isn't as good as the Corsair RM (corsair is also slightly cheaper). As for ram the 3600CL39 is basically the same speed as 3200CL38 so no point spending extra on that.

 

Want to elaborate on the motherboard choice, going down a b450 instead of an x570? Also isn't 3600hz the recommended as for Ryzen and on their test video as well they recommended this same ram pair i chose. Any explanation would help, thanks!

[RadiatingLight]

If PCpartpicker has your region, it'd be best to switch to that and get exact pricing.

 

Since I'm not sure which retailers offer the best prices in your region I won't give specific hardware choices, but here are some reccomendations:

 

- 3600X is really only better than 3600 because it comes with a better stock cooler. the boost clock difference is basically nothing, and they overclock basically the same. Get a 3600.

- You don't need an X570 motherboard. B450 is more than enough unless there's a specific reason you need PCI-e 4.0. MSI's "MAX" Series of boards are guaranteed to work with 3rd-gen Ryzen out of the box (no BIOS update), and most boards today won't need an update anyway. (check out the motherboard tier list in my signature, and pick at least tier C if you can -- in the US the MSI B450 A-Pro Max is a really good choice, MSI Tomahawk is good too)

- Other than that, everything else looks good.

[Guest]

You don't need to spend $80+ on a cooler for a 3600X. You would be better off dropping the cooler and using the money to move up to the 3700X.

 

For the psu a 650W is already enough.

[RadiatingLight]

1 minute ago, VoidSanctum said:

 

Want to elaborate on the motherboard choice, going down a b450 instead of an x570? Also isn't 3600hz the recommended as for Ryzen and on their test video as well they recommended this same ram pair i chose. Any explanation would help, thanks!

The motherboard chipset doesn't affect system performance in any way. All it does it give the motherboard itself more features. If you don't need those features, then there's no reason to buy the more expensive X570 chipset.

 

The X570 chipset does stuff like offering more high-speed USB 3.2 connections, or more chipset PCI-e lanes. The two biggest benefits of X570 are PCI-e Gen 4, and compatibility with 3000 series ryzen out of the box. Since the B450 chipset was released before 3000 series CPUs existed, some B450 motherboards will need a BIOS update to work with 3000 series CPUs. The ways to get around this are by buying a board that is pre-updated or guaranteed to work with 3000 series, like MSI's "MAX" Series, or finding somewhere with an older-gen Ryzen CPU.

PCIe Gen4 is not currently useful for much, unless you have a Gen4 SSD. The performance increase from Gen4 is next to nothing. The 1080Ti doesn't support Gen4 anyway.

[merco]

I made the board cheaper and put the money towards the CPU. I saw a gamers nexus video on your cooler and it seems to have great performance. Not sure on the PSU but this one seems to be popular and high quality:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor	€289.00 @ Mindfactory
CPU Cooler	ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 240 56.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler	€62.89 @ Aquatuning
Motherboard	MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard	€124.74 @ Amazon Deutschland
Memory	G.Skill Trident Z Neo 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory	€122.90 @ Amazon Deutschland
Power Supply	Corsair RM (2019) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	€96.80 @ Alza
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	€696.33
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-18 02:01 CEST+0200

It would fit the budget, you have the rest already if I understood you right?

[VoidSanctum]

15 minutes ago, RadiatingLight said:

If PCpartpicker has your region, it'd be best to switch to that and get exact pricing.

 

Since I'm not sure which retailers offer the best prices in your region I won't give specific hardware choices, but here are some reccomendations:

 

- 3600X is really only better than 3600 because it comes with a better stock cooler. the boost clock difference is basically nothing, and they overclock basically the same. Get a 3600.

- You don't need an X570 motherboard. B450 is more than enough unless there's a specific reason you need PCI-e 4.0. MSI's "MAX" Series of boards are guaranteed to work with 3rd-gen Ryzen out of the box (no BIOS update), and most boards today won't need an update anyway. (check out the motherboard tier list in my signature, and pick at least tier C if you can -- in the US the MSI B450 A-Pro Max is a really good choice, MSI Tomahawk is good too)

- Other than that, everything else looks good.

That's where I picked the x570 one from. Doesn't it being higher on the list future proof it in any way or have better OC support? 

 

7 minutes ago, merco said:

I made the board cheaper and put the money towards the CPU. I saw a gamers nexus video on your cooler and it seems to have great performance. Not sure on the PSU but this one seems to be popular and high quality:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor	€289.00 @ Mindfactory
CPU Cooler	ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 240 56.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler	€62.89 @ Aquatuning
Motherboard	MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard	€124.74 @ Amazon Deutschland
Memory	G.Skill Trident Z Neo 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory	€122.90 @ Amazon Deutschland
Power Supply	Corsair RM (2019) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	€96.80 @ Alza
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	€696.33
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-18 02:01 CEST+0200

It would fit the budget, you have the rest already if I understood you right?

Won't I need more than 650w if I would want to OC both the GPU and CPU? Also, I don't have a case :D.

[RadiatingLight]

Just now, VoidSanctum said:

That's where I picked the x570 one from. Doesn't it being higher on the list future proof it in any way or have better OC support? 

Depends.

It won't really future-proof it in any way. both B450 and X570 will get support for 4000 series Ryzen, and then future CPUs will require a new socket.

If you want to overclock then yes, it can help, but only to a point. With a 3600 you don't need anything over a tier D, but tier C or higher is nice just in case you want to upgrade to something like a 3900X or 3950X in the future.

Yes, a tier A might overclock higher on a 3950X than a tier C would, but you're talking about the far future when you've swapped in a 3950X and want to overclock it. (and then, you'll have other problems like cooling and whatnot)

Overall I think a cheaper motherboard now is better, especially if it lets you upgrade from 3600 to 3700 or something, but it's your choice.

[VoidSanctum]

1 minute ago, RadiatingLight said:

Depends.

It won't really future-proof it in any way. both B450 and X570 will get support for 4000 series Ryzen, and then future CPUs will require a new socket.

If you want to overclock then yes, it can help, but only to a point. With a 3600 you don't need anything over a tier D, but tier C or higher is nice just in case you want to upgrade to something like a 3900X or 3950X in the future.

Yes, a tier A might overclock higher on a 3950X than a tier C would, but you're talking about the far future when you've swapped in a 3950X and want to overclock it. (and then, you'll have other problems like cooling and whatnot)

Overall I think a cheaper motherboard now is better, especially if it lets you upgrade from 3600 to 3700 or something, but it's your choice.

Thanks for the great feedback. Truly informative and helped me out a lot. Last 2 questions. Is my ram suitable or should I pick something else? And do you still recommend going for the non x or the x for the 3700 if i go for cheaper mother board and stock cooling with no OC? 

[merco]

9 minutes ago, VoidSanctum said:

Won't I need more than 650w if I would want to OC both the GPU and CPU? Also, I don't have a case

That's true I'm not sure how flexible your budget is, also these are german prices so not sure how the difference will be to your country either. TDP for the 3700x is 85W and for the 1080TI 250W, so 650W will be fine.