Need help with first custom loop

[Tristerin]

7 minutes ago, The Blackhat said:

Just gonna address this now. You cannot use the term generic and purpose built. Plenty, a majority, rather, of blocks that would be considered "generic" have jetplates and have dedicated in ports. Including a lot of the cheap AliExpress waterblocks, if that's what you mean by generic. Decent waterblocks have not had a reversible design for years, with the biggest holdout being Swiftech and their Apogee series that has a lot of corner to corner flow patterns. It's always safe to assume your block cares about ins and outs, simply because even $15 waterblocks in this day and age have a dedicated flow direction.

All of my Aliexpress blocks are generic - pretty easy to tell by the design

 

 

[The Blackhat]

1 minute ago, Tristerin said:

All of my Aliexpress blocks are generic - pretty easy to tell by the design

 

 

Generic in what sense? That was not what I was referring to in my comment. I was saying that even cheap generic blocks are starting to have dedicated flow directions, including many cheap Chinese blocks such as what are found on AliExpress, and that nearly all good blocks have not been reversible for years.

[Tristerin]

1 minute ago, The Blackhat said:

Generic in what sense? That was not what I was referring to in my comment. I was saying that even cheap generic blocks are starting to have dedicated flow directions, including many cheap Chinese blocks such as what are found on AliExpress, and that nearly all good blocks have not been reversible for years.

Design.  Ive taken them apart - I have 3 *what I term generic because flow direction doesn't matter and they also work on many many sockets between AMD and Intel with their bolt patterns*  - fairly generic, and the only thing on those blocks that are purpose built is the mounting mechanism...that will work with almost anything lol

[Crystoz]

7 minutes ago, Whiro said:

I had exactly same pump before and didn’t had any problems when filling the loop ( my pump died later on ). Maybe try to remove the top from the res. 

What do you mean with remove the top from the res?

[Whiro]

1 minute ago, Crystoz said:

What do you mean with remove the top from the res?

Take out the cap which you use to fill the res, the black one on top of the reservoir. You can also try to shake it a bit, possible you have also a lot of air inside the rad

[The Blackhat]

5 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

Design.  Ive taken them apart - I have 3 *what I term generic because flow direction doesn't matter and they also work on many many sockets between AMD and Intel with their bolt patterns*  - fairly generic, and the only thing on those blocks that are purpose built is the mounting mechanism...that will work with almost anything lol

You realize there are literally thousands of items on AliExpress, right? Hell, even Bykski and Barrow primarily sell on there. My point is blocks with a reversible flow pattern have not been prevalent for years and anyone doing a loop should assume it matters and check for a dedicated in and out port. And, again, no decent blocks have had reversible flow direction for years, except Swiftech's holdout Apogee blocks. By generic, I read that as non branded or cheap, not as generic flow direction.

Edited April 1, 2020 by The Blackhat

[Tristerin]

18 minutes ago, The Blackhat said:

You realize there are literally thousands of items on AliExpress, right? Hell, even Bykski and Barrow primarily sell on there. My point is blocks with a reversible flow pattern have not been prevalent for years and anyone doing a loop should assume it matters and check for a dedicated in and out port. And, again, no decent blocks have had reversible flow direction for years, except Swiftech's holdout Apogee blocks. By generic, I read that as non branded or cheap, not as generic flow direction.

Read it how you want, that's fine.  Its generic in both the literal sense, and the physical sense.  They are unbranded Aliexpress blocks.  I have a lot of use case experience with them with none when it comes to branded.  Sounds like you have no experience with them, but a lot with branded blocks.

 

Im basically the king of generic loops in these parts (kidding not kidding), and love to mix metals and beat it with science.  (I also have a post somewhere around here cutting these blocks literally in half, as well as radiators, and generic waterblocks to view the internals.)

 

What EK block does he have?  I was using your diagnosis (which was a learning experience for me, yesterday) on the loop yesterday and seeing how his has a center point EK block, that he doesn't have it correctly piped - like yesterdays user.

[The Blackhat]

14 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

Read it how you want, that's fine.  Its generic in both the literal sense, and the physical sense.  They are unbranded Aliexpress blocks.  I have a lot of use case experience with them with none when it comes to branded.  Sounds like you have no experience with them, but a lot with branded blocks.

 

Im basically the king of generic loops in these parts (kidding not kidding), and love to mix metals and beat it with science.  (I also have a post somewhere around here cutting these blocks literally in half, as well as radiators, and generic waterblocks to view the internals.)

 

What EK block does he have?  I was using your diagnosis (which was a learning experience for me, yesterday) on the loop yesterday and seeing how his has a center point EK block, that he doesn't have it correctly piped - like yesterdays user.

I have used plenty of generic watercooling, I still have my SC600 from my first loop. I was simply saying that for the majority of blocks on the market, and thus the majority of the users, there is no reason to not check if there is a dedicated in and out. Simply checking your block has no negative consequences, is my simple point. If you want to dispute that, go ahead. Moving on, the block he has is a Velocity. Pretty standard basic block, jetplate in the center, out port on the right side. What makes his loop appear to be flowing in reverse is his odd pump, which has an in port on the top right corner, and an out port on the  bottom left corner, along with his pump to radiator routing. His loop is indeed in the correct order and connection, though. 

[Tristerin]

1 minute ago, The Blackhat said:

Simply checking your block has no negative consequences, is my simple point. If you want to dispute that, go ahead. 

Never did, not sure where you are getting your info - I told him to CHECK his manual repeatedly.

 

With that pump I would go pump/block/rad/back to pump (I actually didn't follow loop totally, knew which was OUT on pump already and didn't see it going to his IN on his block - got to excited - cause I only learned about these directional blocks yesterday from you) - I spoke way to soon on that.  

 

With a weaker pump like that would the loop order make a diff in pushing the air out of the rad?  Ive always filled my cases sidways with res facing ceiling to eliminate this issue myself

[The Blackhat]

2 hours ago, Tristerin said:

Never did, not sure where you are getting your info - I told him to CHECK his manual repeatedly.

 

With that pump I would go pump/block/rad/back to pump (I actually didn't follow loop totally, knew which was OUT on pump already and didn't see it going to his IN on his block - got to excited - cause I only learned about these directional blocks yesterday from you) - I spoke way to soon on that.  

 

With a weaker pump like that would the loop order make a diff in pushing the air out of the rad?  Ive always filled my cases sidways with res facing ceiling to eliminate this issue myself

Yes the weaker pumps have more difficulty removing air in my experience, but he's also using something far weaker than anything I've used. Keep in mind that would be the SC600, a generic $15 pump, but even that vastly outperforms his SPC and many cheap DDCs. I just physically move and turn the radiators to eliminate the issue, or get a rad with multiple ports, skip the reservoir, and fill from the rad, assuming it's top mounted.

[Crystoz]

Okay thanks to all.

It seems to work now. I literally put my case upside down while filling. 

[Crystoz]

Maybe it doesn't work..