What have I done wrong? *Warning graphic*

[MrRodmann]

I attempted my first tooless delid (without tools designed specifically for delidding cpus)
and boy do I feel like a tool. I dont understand what I did wrong though,
I went slow and careful with a razor blade, then with some thin metal prods, going progressively
thicker until it popped. I did hear cracking sound but i figured this being an old cpu (X5660) that
was the sound of something old like thermal paste or the glue (something resembling cheap white
thermal paste came out with the razor blade when I passed it under the lip). 
So did I do something obviously wrong, did I get unlucky or what? Please help.

PS: This cpu was a dud from AliExpress that went to a specialist and he couldnt fix it so no loss there.

[RollinLower]

i believe the X5660 is a soldered CPU. so the die is soldered to the heatspreader.

to delid a soldered CPU you need to heat up the chip to the melting point of the solder, and keep it at that temp while you remove the heatspreader.

 

you probably wouldn't have gotten a very good performance boost from delidding a soldered chip anyway, solder is a very good heat interface material already.

 

sorry for your loss man

Edited February 17, 2020 by RollinLower
typos

[MrRodmann]

Oh boy, thank god that was an already busted cpu kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

Well, it at least makes some good gore porn for the forum 

[MrRodmann]

2 minutes ago, RollinLower said:

i believe the X5560 is a soldered CPU. so the die is soldered to the heatspreader.

to delid a soldered CPU you need to heat up the chip to the melting point of the solder, an dkeep it at that temp while you remove the heatspreader.

 

you probbaly wouldn;t have gotten a very good performance boost from delidding a soldered chip anyway, solder is a very good heat interface material already.

 

sorry for your loss man

Is this the case with all xeons from LGA 1366? Like what about W3690? I was considering purchasing one

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, MrRodmann said:

Is this the case with all xeons from LGA 1366? Like what about W3690? I was considering purchasing one

Yes. Why are you trying to delid CPUs without checking that first? 

Especially contemplating that on a W3690 . Those things need to be conserved, not murdered, they're the only 32nm Xeons to run on boards without Westmere-EP support. 

[MrRodmann]

7 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

Yes. Why are you trying to delid CPUs without checking that first? 

Especially contemplating that on a W3690 . Those things need to be conserved, not murdered, they're the only 32nm Xeons to run on boards without Westmere-EP support. 

Im so sorry it was my first attempt and tbf i didnt bother checking cuz it was a dud so it was really to get practice with applying pressure etc, im so glad i have this x5660 dud though cuz this was to practice to delid my working x5660. I cant get stable past 4.1ghz on it and its annoying, i managed to score a good cooler and its on a good board so thats why i wanted to delid it, try get better thermals and increase the o'clocks 

[Zando_]

Just now, MrRodmann said:

Im so sorry it was my first attempt and tbf i didnt bother checking cuz it was a dud so it was really to get practice with applying pressure etc, im so glad i have this x5660 dud though cuz this was to practice to delid my working x5660. I cant get stable past 4.1ghz on it and its annoying, i managed to score a good cooler and its on a good board so thats why i wanted to delid it, try get better thermals and increase the o'clocks 

Delid does not automatically = better clocks. That's for specific chips with bad TIM that slap thermal limits before the limits of their own silicon, not these or many other old Intel HEDT/server chips. 

What are your temps like? Because I have never had temps be the bottleneck unless I was shooting for over 4.5 on a 32nm Xeon. I kept an X5675 at 4.4Ghz on a Gammax 400 ($13 on ebay, similar to a Hyper 212) for a damn good while, was my main rig. Hell, said Gammax 400 with two NF-F12 2000s slapped on either side managed to restrain a 45nm chip running yeehaw voltages. 

[MrRodmann]

The motherboard is ASUS P6T Deluxe and the cooler is the Cooler Master V10 getting to up to 87ºC during a 5 min stress test. I couldnt get 4.2Ghz stable, at the exact same settings it can last up to 1-2h of gaming without crashing but as soon as I do anything heavy in the game like gambit in Destiny 2 it BSOD. I tried raising the CPU voltage but then I get TT without reaching any stability. Also, I was planning on applying Conductonaut to the die

[Guest]

Oh bummer. 

 

Here's a good read for you. Buddy from my OC team. 

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/delidding-1366-cpus-soldered.260485/

 

 

[Damascus]

Whoah, a v10.  That's some legacy kit right there lol.  I might consider getting a better cooler though, as it is basically on par with 6 heatpipe 120mm coolers, which are now at the bottom of the mainstream aircooler food chain 

[MrRodmann]

3 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Oh bummer. 

 

Here's a good read for you. Buddy from my OC team. 

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/delidding-1366-cpus-soldered.260485/

 

 

Way to scared to try again with my working x5660 now after the butcher job i did on the dud  specially after learning that it is a soldered die

[MrRodmann]

Just now, Damascus said:

Whoah, a v10.  That's some legacy kit right there lol.  I might consider getting a better cooler though, as it is basically on par with 6 heatpipe 120mm coolers, which are now at the bottom of the mainstream aircooler food chain 

Got it for free. Bought it online for cheap, didnt come with right fittings so I returned. Box comes back a month later due to failed delivery attempts and managed to find the fittings being sold online from cooler master netherlands 

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, MrRodmann said:

Way to scared to try again with my working x5660 now after the butcher job i did on the dud  specially after learning that it is a soldered die

I remember my first de-lid. I was in knowing it was soldered, so took a soldering torch to the chip. It happened to be a Phenom I Agena core 9850BE. I was shaking like a tree in rough weather. Did a couple more and that scariness goes away.

 

In the thread I linked, DinerCore removes the IHS without heat. Very similar to the de-lid tool, but does it in a vice. 

Me, well I use heat. Both ways work fine.

 

Ever need a hand or suggestions, find me. 

[MrRodmann]

1 minute ago, ShrimpBrime said:

I remember my first de-lid. I was in knowing it was soldered, so took a soldering torch to the chip. It happened to be a Phenom I Agena core 9850BE. I was shaking like a tree in rough weather. Did a couple more and that scariness goes away.

 

I the thread I linked, DinerCore removes the IHS without heat. Very similar to the de-lid tool, but does it in a vice. 

Me, well I use heat. Both ways work fine.

 

Ever need a hand or suggestions, fine me. 

But if its a soldered die, would there be much point in delidding for Conductonaut? I was planning on doing this because i didnt know about the solder

[Guest]

Just now, MrRodmann said:

But if its a soldered die, would there be much point in delidding for Conductonaut? I was planning on doing this because i didnt know about the solder

No not really.

The best way to run a naked chip is by ditching the IHS plate and running block to die. This requires the hold down bracket to be removed on Intel boards. 

 

Not really worth the trouble for a daily rig. 

For playing around on the bench, definitely fun and challenging.

[Zando_]

Just now, MrRodmann said:

But if its a soldered die, would there be much point in delidding for Conductonaut? I was planning on doing this because i didnt know about the solder

There is no point, something is wack with your cooling solution if you can't control these chips. The Gammax 400 I mentioned earlier with 2 NF-F12s zip tied on? That kept an i7 950 (45nm chip and not a good bin) at 1.43-1.45v at around 86-87C. You're running a far lower voltage on a 32nm chip, which run cooler. 

As for clocks not stabilizing, that's because you're only feeding it 1.3v or so lol. These chips will eat 1.4v fine, or up to 1.45v if you're a bit braver and can cool them. I've been out of X58 for a bit (will eventually be back in once I'm done with an upcoming X79 rig), but your voltages overall look quite low . But then I was always pushing it as hard as possible for daily, so I ran max safe voltages pretty much all the time. 

 

 

[MrRodmann]

1 minute ago, Zando Bob said:

There is no point, something is wack with your cooling solution if you can't control these chips. The Gammax 400 I mentioned earlier with 2 NF-F12s zip tied on? That kept an i7 950 (45nm chip and not a good bin) at 1.43-1.45v at around 86-87C. You're running a far lower voltage on a 32nm chip, which run cooler. 

As for clocks not stabilizing, that's because you're only feeding it 1.3v or so lol. These chips will eat 1.4v fine, or up to 1.45v if you're a bit braver and can cool them. I've been out of X58 for a bit (will eventually be back in once I'm done with an upcoming X79 rig), but your voltages overall look quite low . But then I was always pushing it as hard as possible for daily, so I ran max safe voltages pretty much all the time. 

 

 

But it would only get more unstable as i increased the voltage, and if I reduced from 1.29 it would also get unstable. Granted the voltages I get from my readings is not 1.29375, it is way more than that. I get the same thing on my 2550k, where the voltage I set in the bios is nowhere to be seen in cpu z or hwmonitor/info etc. This x5660 on this motherboard, at 1.29375 in bios shows up on cpu-z and hwmonitor during stress tests as 1.344v

[Guest]

Here's a picture compilation thread I posted at OCN for the heck of it. Few years old, the list is pretty much up to date at the OP.

Enjoy:

https://www.overclock.net/forum/10-amd-cpus/1611862-amd-de-lid-compilation-thread.html

[MrRodmann]

1 minute ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Here's a picture compilation thread I posted at OCN for the heck of it. Few years old, the list is pretty much up to date at the OP.

Enjoy:

https://www.overclock.net/forum/10-amd-cpus/1611862-amd-de-lid-compilation-thread.html

Omg delidding cpu with pins must be quite the hasstle compared to the pinless ey

[Zando_]

Just now, MrRodmann said:

But it would only get more unstable as i increased the voltage, and if I reduced from 1.29 it would also get unstable. Granted the voltages I get from my readings is not 1.29375, it is way more than that. I get the same thing on my 2550k, where the voltage I set in the bios is nowhere to be seen in cpu z or hwmonitor/info etc. This x5660 on this motherboard, at 1.29375 in bios shows up on cpu-z and hwmonitor during stress tests as 1.344v

Oof you got some other settings being funky somewhere then . 

And X58 is a balancing act, if you change one thing you have to change a bunch of others. In your specific case though, voltage increases likely cause instability because for some reason your cooling solution is vastly underperforming, meaning you'll slap max temps. And reducing it, well, you're taking voltage away from an overclocked chip. 
 

Best bet would be to head to the HEDT thread (link is in my sig), there's a bunch of other X58 boyes and IIRC some of the better overclockers also run P6Ts. I've used a Rampage III Formula (and that was around 2 years ago), an MSI board, and then the rest EVGAs. Don't have personal experience with this board so I don't know exactly what BIOS options it gives you. 

[MrRodmann]

Im gona try re pasting it, maybe i messed up when i put the V10 in. It is rated as a 250W cooler so to be underperforming maybe i messed up mounting it as I did with my 2550k (after re pasting and re mounting it went from 101º TT to 61-6º )

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, MrRodmann said:

Omg delidding cpu with pins must be quite the hasstle compared to the pinless ey

No I sink them. I have this whole elaborate process. lol.

[MrRodmann]

7 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Here's a picture compilation thread I posted at OCN for the heck of it. Few years old, the list is pretty much up to date at the OP.

Enjoy:

https://www.overclock.net/forum/10-amd-cpus/1611862-amd-de-lid-compilation-thread.html

Gona try a second time on a Pentium 4 630 that i have laying around to get some more experience delidding

[Zando_]

Just now, MrRodmann said:

Im gona try re pasting it, maybe i messed up when i put the V10 in. It is rated as a 250W cooler so to be underperforming maybe i messed up mounting it as I did with my 2550k (after re pasting and re mounting it went from 101º TT to 61-6º )

If the V10 mounting system is as horrible as the V6 GT one then yeaaaah I can see how it could easily get messed up. 

[MrRodmann]

1 minute ago, ShrimpBrime said:

No I sink them. I have this whole elaborate process. lol.

In like a sponge or in an extracted cpu socket?