Ryzen 3600 temps?

[althsus]

Hello, I've recently built a new PC with a Ryzen 3600 CPU. I also decided to use a 240mm AIO just for aesthetics reasons. I had trouble fitting both my fans on the radiator as it seems the radiator grill did not have through holes for screws and I was just expected to screw the holes by wedging it in between the gaps of the grill (apparently thats how it works with corsair aio???). I did not hit any of the vertical pipes with the screws. Also had trouble fitting the pump on the cpu because of its really weird metal wire latch/lock mechanism instead of just screwing it in.

 

My concern is that because of the trouble of installing the AIO, my temps might be above normal. I know as long CPU temps don't hit above certain point, its considered safe, but I would still like to get normal performance and temps instead of higher than normal/expected.

My Ryzen 3600 stock, with whatever boosting mechanism is turned on at stock. Corsair 240mm AIO running at balanced pump setting and quiet fan setting.

At idle: 40-50 degrees Celsius (this fluctuates a lot and seems really high for idle)

Cinebench R20 (1 run) - 70-73 degrees Celsius (as soon as i started Cinebench run it jumped to 70C and never went below it but fluctuated only between 70-73C) Also scored 3405 with all cores at 4100mhz

Monster Hunter World Iceborne: 60-73C during 1 hour session. (Got same temps with Apex Legends)

 

Edit: forgot to mention my ambient room temp is around 27C

[Fasauceome]

5 minutes ago, althsus said:

I had trouble fitting both my fans on the radiator as it seems the radiator grill did not have through holes for screws and I was just expected to screw the holes by wedging it in between the gaps of the grill (apparently thats how it works with corsair aio???)

excuse me what??

 

corsair radiators have plenty of holes for both the fans and the mounts, could you elaborate on how you screwed "through holes"? If you had to screw into the body of the radiator, you could have drilled into something and broken it.

 

however, a cinebench run only getting to 73 degrees is hardly a bad temp

[althsus]

1 minute ago, Fasauceome said:

excuse me what??

 

corsair radiators have plenty of holes for both the fans and the mounts, could you elaborate on how you screwed "through holes"? If you had to screw into the body of the radiator, you could have drilled into something and broken it.

So, behind those plates that have holes, is the grill, but the screws that Corsair included in the AIO was either too long because they were lazy or was designed to go through those holes and dig into the zig zag mesh part of the radiator. I did google online a bit before doing this just in case but it seems other people have had this issue.

[Fasauceome]

10 minutes ago, althsus said:

 

So, behind those plates that have holes, is the grill, but the screws that Corsair included in the AIO was either too long because they were lazy or was designed to go through those holes and dig into the zig zag mesh part of the radiator. I did google online a bit before doing this just in case but it seems other people have had this issue.

isn't that what the washers are for?

 

I haven't had to screw in super deep on any corsair radiator

 

although either way if you did puncture something, changes are you'd have a leak, so if there's no fluid in your system, chances are you're fine

[althsus]

4 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

isn't that what the washers are for?

 

I haven't had to screw in super deep on any corsair radiator

 

although either way if you did puncture something, changes are you'd have a leak, so if there's no fluid in your system, chances are you're fine

I screwed it in with washers. It was still too long. A few mm of screw did dig into the mesh. I've also tried checking it for leakage, but couldn't find any wet spots or liquid. I'm pretty sure that if my AIO didn't have any liquid in it, the temps wouldn't only be at 73C under Cinebench load.

[Fasauceome]

13 minutes ago, althsus said:

I screwed it in with washers. It was still too long. A few mm of screw did dig into the mesh. I've also tried checking it for leakage, but couldn't find any wet spots or liquid. I'm pretty sure that if my AIO didn't have any liquid in it, the temps wouldn't only be at 73C under Cinebench load.

yeah, chances are if you're sustaining 4.1 in cinebench you don't have major issues.

 

However, you didn't mention acoustics. Is there any excessive fan nosie? if not, I'd say everything seems to check out

[GrockleTD]

46 minutes ago, althsus said:

I screwed it in with washers. It was still too long. A few mm of screw did dig into the mesh. I've also tried checking it for leakage, but couldn't find any wet spots or liquid. I'm pretty sure that if my AIO didn't have any liquid in it, the temps wouldn't only be at 73C under Cinebench load.

 

50 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

isn't that what the washers are for?

assuming he is using the h100i platinum se, i noticed the same thing

[althsus]

2 hours ago, Fasauceome said:

yeah, chances are if you're sustaining 4.1 in cinebench you don't have major issues.

 

However, you didn't mention acoustics. Is there any excessive fan nosie? if not, I'd say everything seems to check out

I mean, the fans do ramp up, but its not something overly deafening? Provided that I have 6 fans, the noise isn't something that seems out of ordinary to me

 

1 hour ago, GrockleTD said:

 

assuming he is using the h100i platinum se, i noticed the same thing

Yes it is the h100i platinum se. Did you also have the same problem as me? Screws being too long?

[GrockleTD]

22 minutes ago, althsus said:

I mean, the fans do ramp up, but its not something overly deafening? Provided that I have 6 fans, the noise isn't something that seems out of ordinary to me

 

Yes it is the h100i platinum se. Did you also have the same problem as me? Screws being too long?

yeah, kinda weirded me out
edit: checked against regular long screws i had on hand, normal length but WAY more threading than the regular screw

[althsus]

22 hours ago, GrockleTD said:

yeah, kinda weirded me out
edit: checked against regular long screws i had on hand, normal length but WAY more threading than the regular screw

Could I ask, what CPU you are using and what its temps are under decent load?

[gtsvii]

hi! i built ryzen 3600 crosshair vii hero and gskills trident z neo 3600mhz! i have aio ROG Ryuo 120 stock none oc idle 57c! its normal? and if not what can i do?

[foamygopher]

1 hour ago, gtsvii said:

hi! i built ryzen 3600 crosshair vii hero and gskills trident z neo 3600mhz! i have aio ROG Ryuo 120 stock none oc idle 57c! its normal? and if not what can i do?

I have a 3900x on a Crosshair VIII Hero with an H110i. I idle at around 29-39c with spikes here and there if windows is doing something. So, 57c would seem fairly high to me. Did that AIO come with thermal paste applied? If so I would remount it using new thermal paste. Also are you using the lastest chipset drivers, and updated version of windows. If yes than what power plan are you running? Should be Ryzen optimized. One last thing what are your voltages at idle using cpu-z or HWMonitor?

Edited March 16, 2020 by foamygopher
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[Guest]

1 minute ago, foamygopher said:

I have a 3900x on a Crosshair VIII Hero with an H110i. I idle at around 29-39c with spikes here and there if windows is doing something. So, 57c would seem fairly high to me. Did that AIO come with thermal paste applied? If so I would remount it using new thermal paste.

Those spikes are perfectly normal. A direct result of sheer transistor density. Not much anyone can do about it. The IHS plates are soldered and there is not a single alternative solution to reduce the temps without sub ambient and sub zero cooling. I've tried....

[foamygopher]

3 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Those spikes are perfectly normal. A direct result of sheer transistor density. Not much anyone can do about it. The IHS plates are soldered and there is not a single alternative solution to reduce the temps without sub ambient and sub zero cooling. I've tried....

Yeah I did alot of reading on how these chips work.The spikes are basically a result of an extremely fast response time (1ms I think). So it's fine.

[Guest]

Just now, foamygopher said:

Yeah I did alot of reading on how these chips work.The spikes are basically a result of an extremely fast response time (1ms I think). So it's fine.

Well... no, that response time is nothing really new to processors.... It's density. 

So a lot of transistors packed into a small area. Like Steel in denser than aluminum, but instead of molecules, we'll use transistors to describe density.

 

For example. 

 

Each 7nm CCD measures ~74mm² and has 3.9 billion transistors, while the 12nm IOD is ~125mm² and has 2.09 billion transistors. That means the 3900X comes with ~273mm² of silicon that sports ~9.89 billion transistors.

[foamygopher]

1 minute ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Well... no, that response time is nothing really new to processors.... It's density. 

So a lot of transistors packed into a small area. Like Steel in denser than aluminum, but instead of molecules, we'll use transistors to describe density.

 

For example. 

 

Each 7nm CCD measures ~74mm² and has 3.9 billion transistors, while the 12nm IOD is ~125mm² and has 2.09 billion transistors. That means the 3900X comes with ~273mm² of silicon that sports ~9.89 billion transistors.

Gotcha. But, in gtsvii case I think 57c might be kinda high for idle. I spent all day yesterday studying HW monitor while playing Wolcen my average temp was like 55c with a max of 72c. Seems good I think.

[gtsvii]

i have mx4 thermal paste! v.core stock 1.4xx! i have try power balance amd nothing! now i have overclock with profile by motherboard to 4ghz idle 54c on game cod war zone max 65c -68c! before on stock 75c!i think is not good! my old build it was maximus vii formula i5 4690k oc to 4.4ghz with same aio and i never see over 56c!

[Mihle]

One run on cinebench R10 on my computer, my 3600 reaches 70C and I have Be Quiet Dark Rock 4. With PBO(that did nothing) and Auto OC(that added maybe 200 points to the score in cinebench).

 

Ambient temp around 20-23 c probably.

 

Also another note, HWinfo says my cores is running at 4,1 GHz when running cinebench while Ryzen Master says 4 GHz, who should I trust? I get about 3500-3550 points.

[gtsvii]

with 4ghz all cores from profile asus i disable pbo and i have now 38c-47c idle! i run cinebench r20 and reached 69c and score 3500! in games 57c!i leave it as it is! i cant do anything else! 

[gtsvii]

hi again! i set all stock in bios and the only i changed is v.core from 1.45 down to 1.00v! now i have 31-32c on idle without up and down! stable temps and my system too! i run cinebench r20 max 45c! low score than oc 4ghz,  about 700pt but my temps is ok now!  i dont need overclock yet for my games! if i find something temps like this for stable oc 4ghz on the future, i will set! for now im ok! (waiting, if next bios update will be better)