x58 fanboy!

[NomadFool]

as the title suggest i'm in love with the x58 platform and my 990x and therein lies my problem I'm in the process of planning a balls to the walls water cooled build with all the bells and whistles and yes while I fully understand that it's not necessary to get good performance its something I want to do.

while I like Z87 as a platform I'm not too happy with haswell as a processor. I'm fairly certain that my rampage III black wouldn't be able to handle the bandwidth of 2x 780ti in sli with it's pcie 2.0. hell i'm not really sure it can handle one of them tbh. and that really is my driving force in wanting to upgrade. I wan't to draw on the wisdom of this community, should I upgrade to haswell? should I wait for haswell-E? I think broadwell is too far off to be an option.

 

what do you guys think should I jump ship to z87 or wait for x99? 

and yes I plan to push every component to its absolute limit.

[tryphaa]

Well, PCI 2.0 x16= PCI 3.0 8x. So, I dont think the bandwidth would bottleneck. I do however, think you should upgrade your processor soon. If you want a 6 core, I'd wait for Haswell-E. There are rumors of a Hexa Core for $400.

[TechFan@ic]

You sound like the perfect candidate for Haswell-E, I would have suggested Ivy Bridge-E for PCIE 3.0 support, but there are an aweful lot of bugs, issues and headaches associated with running PCIE 3.0 on Ivy-E even though it's natively supported.

[ViruZ_HUN]

as the title suggest i'm in love with the x58 platform and my 990x and therein lies my problem I'm in the process of planning a balls to the walls water cooled build with all the bells and whistles and yes while I fully understand that it's not necessary to get good performance its something I want to do.

while I like Z87 as a platform I'm not too happy with haswell as a processor. I'm fairly certain that my rampage III black wouldn't be able to handle the bandwidth of 2x 780ti in sli with it's pcie 2.0. hell i'm not really sure it can handle one of them tbh. and that really is my driving force in wanting to upgrade. I wan't to draw on the wisdom of this community, should I upgrade to haswell? should I wait for haswell-E? I think broadwell is too far off to be an option.

 

what do you guys think should I jump ship to z87 or wait for x99? 

and yes I plan to push every component to its absolute limit.

wait for X99, like me....

 

I dont want to be the only one who waits for it:D

 

And Intel said that up to 50-60% proformence inrease can happen from IVY-e to haswell-e and the pricing is great for that preformence so its worth it;D

 

Here is the pricing and the topic is made by me: http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/95177-haswell-e-leaked-pricing/

[NomadFool]

Well, PCI 2.0 x16= PCI 3.0 8x. So, I dont think the bandwidth would bottleneck. I do however, think you should upgrade your processor soon. If you want a 6 core, I'd wait for Haswell-E. There are rumors of a Hexa Core for $400.

While I'm aware of the math I'm still a bit uneasy with it. I know it's irrational and knowing me I would probably go for the top of the line X variant

You sound like the perfect candidate for Haswell-E

I hope so. I don't feel the processor space is as exciting as it used to be.

wait for X99, like me....

I dont want to be the only one who waits for it:D

And Intel said that up to 50-60% proformence inrease can happen from IVY-e to haswell-e and the pricing is great for that preformence so its worth it;D

Here is the pricing and the topic is made by me: http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/95177-haswell-e-leaked-pricing/

Hehehe United under the x99 banner. I like that

[Faa]

You sound like the perfect candidate for Haswell-E, I would have suggested Ivy Bridge-E for PCIE 3.0 support, but there are an aweful lot of bugs, issues and headaches associated with running PCIE 3.0 on Ivy-E even though it's natively supported.

That would be a bios issue so nothing to do with the chips really. 3930K's support 3.0 so I'm finding it hard to believe that there would be issues now with IBe

@Op X58 has 40 pcie 2.0 lanes so that would mean you'd be running 2.0 @ x16 / 2.0 @ x16 in SLI which is plenty atm since it's equal to 3.0@x8/3.0@x8. 

This is the difference between 2.0@x8 vs 3.0@x8:

So no you're not bandwidth limited but you'd be rather cpu limited really. The single core performance is kinda lacky compared to Haswell and games are only relying on single core performance these days.

[TechFan@ic]

That would be a bios issue so nothing to do with the chips really. 3930K's support 3.0 so I'm finding it hard to believe that there would be issues now with IBe

Sandy-E doesn't support PCIE 3.0 and that's the source of the issue in fact.

[Faa]

Sandy-E doesn't support PCIE 3.0 and that's the source of the issue in fact.

Which is wrong and here's the real fact: http://i.imgur.com/L3QUeOF.jpg

It does support 3.0 40x and something like what you said isn't true at all.

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[ViruZ_HUN]

While I'm aware of the math I'm still a bit uneasy with it. I know it's irrational and knowing me I would probably go for the top of the line X variant

I hope so. I don't feel the processor space is as exciting as it used to be.

Hehehe United under the x99 banner. I like that

what do you mean:D?=

[TechFan@ic]

Which is wrong and here's the real fact: http://i.imgur.com/L3QUeOF.jpg

It does support 3.0 40x and something like what you said isn't true at all.

PCIE 3.0 isn't validated on X79 and WILL in fact cause issues on Nvidia GPUs.

 

*GeForce GTX 680 supports PCI Express 3.0. The Intel X79/SNB-E PCI Express 2.0 platform is only currently supported up to 5GT/s (PCIE 2.0) bus speeds even though some motherboard manufacturers have enabled higher 8GT/s speeds.

 

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-780/specifications

 

GeForce GTX 680 and GTX 670 GPUs support PCI Express 3.0. They operate properly within the SIG PCI Express Specification and have been validated on multiple PCI Express 3.0 platforms. Some motherboard manufacturers have released an updated SBIOS to enable the Intel X79/SNB-E PCI Express 2.0 platform to run at up to 8GT/s bus speeds. We have tested GeForce GTX 680 and GTX 670 GPUs across a number of X79/SNB-E platforms at 8GT/s bus speeds, but have seen significant variation in signal timing across different motherboards and CPUs. Therefore we’ve decided to only support and guarantee PCI Express 2.0 bus speeds on X79/SNB-E with our standard release drivers. Native PCI Express 3.0 platforms (like Ivy Bridge) will run at 8GT/s bus speeds with our standard release drivers.

http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?17588-Nvidia-s-answer-to-x79-and-PCI-e-3.0

[Faa]

PCIE 3.0 isn't validated on X79 and WILL in fact cause issues on Nvidia GPUs.

 

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-780/specifications

 

http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?17588-Nvidia-s-answer-to-x79-and-PCI-e-3.0

Goodjob but you're still wrong The problem was Intel gave the wrong specs to board manufacturers and theres when the bug in the bios occured while is does natively support pci express 3.0. 

http://www.intel.com/content/dam/doc/datasheet/core-i7-lga-2011-datasheet-vol-2.pdf @ page 86 -> 8GT/s = 3.0 @ x16

AMD does automatically enable 3.0 where as nvidia requires a patch