CPU Upgrade

[The Tired Technician]

So i just recently bought myself a GTX 1070 for 150 bucks which is a pretty good deal, but i have an issue thats been nagging at me since i first even bought this computer. right now i have a core i3 8100, 4 cores @ 3.6ghz, and now that ive put the 1070 in the system im kind of hesitating to crank my settings all the way up because im afraid my CPU wont be able to handle it. so the question is should i go full dingus and get something like the 8700, or be more modest and buy like a 9400f. i have an H370 chipset board by the by, so no overclocking. thanks for the help

[Streetguru]

5 minutes ago, The_Maskarade said:

So i just recently bought myself a GTX 1070 for 150 bucks which is a pretty good deal, but i have an issue thats been nagging at me since i first even bought this computer.

Your i3 can do 60fps in AAA games just fine barring CPU heavy settings

 

For less than the 8700 you can get an R5 2600 + B450 board ~$80

[The Tired Technician]

2 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

Your i3 can do 60fps in AAA games just fine barring CPU heavy settings

 

For less than the 8700 you can get an R5 2600 + B450 board ~$80

sure AMD would be a good choice, but that would require building an entirely new system. im just looking to replace the CPU, not the entire thing. but if you say the i3 can hold its own, i can hold off for now then?

 

[Streetguru]

3 minutes ago, The_Maskarade said:

sure AMD would be a good choice, but that would require building an entirely new system. im just looking to replace the CPU, not the entire thing. but if you say the i3 can hold its own, i can hold off for now then?

 

It's just a CPU/motherboard swap

 

If you can last until Ryzen 4000 sometime early next year that would be preferable.

 

this X470 board is just cheap for some reason.

 

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HFzfvn

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($117.68 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI X470 GAMING PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($86.41 @ Amazon)
Total: $204.09
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-08 04:32 EST-0500

[Noah0302]

22 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

you can get an R5 2600 + B450 board ~$80

Damn, I wish this was true where I live.

 

Used 2600 basically go by nearly new prices, boards as well.

[The Tired Technician]

20 hours ago, Streetguru said:

It's just a CPU/motherboard swap

 

If you can last until Ryzen 4000 sometime early next year that would be preferable.

 

this X470 board is just cheap for some reason.

 

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HFzfvn

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($117.68 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI X470 GAMING PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($86.41 @ Amazon)
Total: $204.09
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-08 04:32 EST-0500

look i was trying to be polite, but i dont want an AMD system, im happy with my intel platform, i just wanted to know which CPU to buy when im ready to upgrade thats better, not to just be told "buy a ryzen".

[Streetguru]

18 minutes ago, The_Maskarade said:

look i was trying to be polite, but i dont want an AMD system, im happy with my intel platform, i just wanted to know which CPU to buy when im ready to upgrade thats better, not to just be told "buy a ryzen".

Probably just wait until i7 8700s are down to under $200, if intel didn't artificially lock down your motherboard you could just drop in a 9900K, there is a chinese motherboard hack that would apparently let you do it though.

 

But really once the Ryzen 4000 series is out, it's going to be pretty hard to beat it's value depending on how long you end up waiting.

[Mister Woof]

This why you never buy i3s or i5s.

 

Upgrading on Intel platforms is almlst always a monetary loss vs. having bought high end to begin with.

[1van]

22 hours ago, The_Maskarade said:

i have an H370 chipset board by the by, so no overclocking. thanks for the help

What board exactly do you have? If its VRM is weak, which is common for H370, it may not be able to hold 8700 boost clock for a long time, and it'll handicap it somewhat since it only supports 2666MHz DDR4.

If you want to save money, I'd look into QN8H or QN8G (i7-8700/8700K engineering samples) from eBay, Aliexpress, Taobao, etc. It's price is lower, but still higher than a Ryzen+motherboard

[The Tired Technician]

4 hours ago, 1van said:

What board exactly do you have? If its VRM is weak, which is common for H370, it may not be able to hold 8700 boost clock for a long time, and it'll handicap it somewhat since it only supports 2666MHz DDR4.

If you want to save money, I'd look into QN8H or QN8G (i7-8700/8700K engineering samples) from eBay, Aliexpress, Taobao, etc. It's price is lower, but still higher than a Ryzen+motherboard

MSI H370 Gaming Plus i believe, it looks like a descent board so it shouldnt mind me eventually dropping in an 8700, no? also a 750w power supply might help that (which i have from a deal i got on ebay) 

[The Tired Technician]

6 hours ago, Streetguru said:

Probably just wait until i7 8700s are down to under $200, if intel didn't artificially lock down your motherboard you could just drop in a 9900K, there is a chinese motherboard hack that would apparently let you do it though.

 

But really once the Ryzen 4000 series is out, it's going to be pretty hard to beat it's value depending on how long you end up waiting.

we'll have to see on R 4000, but for the hidden content you asked underneath; i have about ~150 bucks depending on the size of the paycheck, and its in the US. I just have a basic 1080p 60hz monitor (you can see which exact one on my system specs on my profile...). and i run basic games and videos and stuff on my downtime, but when im working i use sony vegas, movie maker, OBS, etc., in conjunction with whatever i happen to be recording or editing. its not a main gig its just something i do for fun, but having a low quality stream with low fps numbers is starting to get quite annoying. and since i just upgraded the GPU and the problem persists, im calling not enough CPU horsepower. so an upgrade that i can do in like a half hour with little effort that i can get back up and running easily. thanks for reading the wall of text.

[1van]

23 minutes ago, The_Maskarade said:

MSI H370 Gaming Plus

It is an all-right board, should work with an i7/i9 non-K just fine, especially if you stay away from things like Linpack

6 hours ago, Streetguru said:

there is a chinese motherboard hack that would apparently let you do it though.

H370 doesn't need any hacks to run CoffeeLake-Refresh CPUs, the BIOS supporting everything up to and including i9-9900K/KF is already on their website.

[Jimjamesjimothy8]

$150!!!! Where on earth did you- *ahem*

You should be fine with an i3 8100 for now. Wait until the Ryzen 4000 series comes out to upgrade.

[Streetguru]

7 hours ago, The_Maskarade said:

MSI H370 Gaming Plus i believe, it looks like a descent board so it shouldnt mind me eventually dropping in an 8700, no? also a 750w power supply might help that (which i have from a deal i got on ebay) 

 

7 hours ago, 1van said:

It is an all-right board, should work with an i7/i9 non-K just fine, especially if you stay away from things like Linpack

H370 doesn't need any hacks to run CoffeeLake-Refresh CPUs, the BIOS supporting everything up to and including i9-9900K/KF is already on their website.

Well there you go, you can still throw a K chip into that board and it'll be a bit faster than the non K chip.

If you find out what components are in that VRM, and give it direct airflow it should be fine with a K chip, even if it can't overclock it's still going to be faster.

Intel really didn't have to screw people over by not releasing a 9700K with 6 cores 12 threads though. They just wanted to keep clearing 8700K stock.

 

Maybe just get a 8700K in any event if you find one cheap.

[Fasauceome]

The i5 9400F is not a terrible value. It would make for a decent buy, unless you find something like an 8500 or 8600 on eBay, perhaps an 8700, though used prices really aren't so special

[Streetguru]

9 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

The i5 9400F is not a terrible value. It would make for a decent buy, unless you find something like an 8500 or 8600 on eBay, perhaps an 8700, though used prices really aren't so special

Ya but that's only going from 4 cores to 6 cores without hyperthreading.

[Fasauceome]

16 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

Ya but that's only going from 4 cores to 6 cores without hyperthreading.

50% more cores is pretty significant, games like overwatch can leverage a full 6 cores and the clock speed is higher. I'd make the upgrade if it were me, provided the i3 is lacking.

[Streetguru]

3 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

50% more cores is pretty significant, games like overwatch can leverage a full 6 cores and the clock speed is higher. I'd make the upgrade if it were me, provided the i3 is lacking.

It's not like the i3 is totally unusable though, it's easily worth waiting until you can get an 8700 or 8700K for all the extra threads. 8700s aren't much more than the i5.

[Mister Woof]

22 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

It's not like the i3 is totally unusable though, it's easily worth waiting until you can get an 8700 or 8700K for all the extra threads. 8700s aren't much more than the i5.

It's only worthwhile if he can unload the 8100 and recoup some of the loss.

 

 

[The Tired Technician]

10 hours ago, TrainFan2019 said:

$150!!!! Where on earth did you- *ahem*

You should be fine with an i3 8100 for now. Wait until the Ryzen 4000 series comes out to upgrade.

dont know what you mean by the first part, but where i am theres 9400f, and 8700s around 150-200 around easily. so that budget for just a CPU isnt completely insane.

[Mister Woof]

If you can get a locked 8700 for under $300 and sell off your 8100 for $100, it will be worthwhile.