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So here is the thing..... I want to replace my old 7th gen computer into an i7-9700 and this CPU is just confusing me.

 

I checked Intel's CPU compatibility site and they are saying that only ASRock, Asus and Gigabyte are the only ones that are compatible with this CPU.

 

So I decided on Gigabyte H370 HD3. But when I see manufacturers site for this particular motherboard, it says I need to flash BIOs to newest version for that CPU to work while Intel says it requires Min F1.0 version.

 

So you are telling me that if I buy this motherboard I wont be able to boot into BIOS and flash it from inside to the latest version? I don't want to buy additional CPU from 8th gen.

 

Should I go with MSI Z390-A PRO where according to the Internet it should work right-out-of-the-box. Even though it is not listed in Intel's Compatibility list....

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6 minutes ago, Netreo said:

So here is the thing..... I want to replace my old 7th gen computer into an i7-9700 and this CPU is just confusing me.

 

I checked Intel's CPU compatibility site and they are saying that only ASRock, Asus and Gigabyte are the only ones that are compatible with this CPU.

 

So I decided on Gigabyte H370 HD3. But when I see manufacturers site for this particular motherboard, it says I need to flash BIOs to newest version for that CPU to work while Intel says it requires Min F1.0 version.

 

So you are telling me that if I buy this motherboard I wont be able to boot into BIOS and flash it from inside to the latest version? I don't want to buy additional CPU from 8th gen.

 

Should I go with MSI Z390-A PRO where according to the Internet it should work right-out-of-the-box. Even though it is not listed in Intel's Compatibility list....

Yes you need a CPU in your motherboard in order to boot in the BIOS and therefore flash. After flash you can place other CPU which now is supported but you first need other CPU as "placeholder" .

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Compatibility is dependent on chipset, not brand

 

As for out of the box compatibility, yes Z390 is the only one that guarantees support. This is the good thing of being Intel, if it's AMD complaints will be all over the place

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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If you did not want to use an 8th-gen CPU to update, you would need to check and make sure that the motherboard's chipset is a 9th-gen chipset. So just make sure that the motherboard is a 9th-gen board.

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5 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Compatibility is dependent on chipset, not brand

 

As for out of the box compatibility, yes Z390 is the only one that guarantees support. This is the good thing of being Intel, if it's AMD complaints will be all over the place

On Intel the latest chips run on Z390 or Z370 with a BIOS update. AMD isn't much more confusing: 

X570 > all chips out of the box
X470/B450/X370/B350 > all chips with a BIOS update for Zen 2
A320 > garbage pls no buy

ofc some boards may have garbage VRMs or something that keeps them from being safe to run newer CPUs on, but as far as chipset compatibility goes this should be accurate. 
 

2 minutes ago, Netreo said:

*sigh* Guess MSI Z390-A PRO it is....

Intel why.....

Because Intel reasons, lol. Is there a reason you're going for an MSI board though? For the Z390 platform specifically, Gigabyte's boards offer better value at pretty much every price point, till you get up to $500+ insane mobos. 

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3 minutes ago, Netreo said:

*sigh* Guess MSI Z390-A PRO it is....

Intel why.....

B365 Boards as well

 

Also where did you read that only ASRock, Asus, and gigabyte are compatible? That's not true.

I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B

 

Primary PC:

i7 8086k - EVGA Z370 Classified K - G.Skill Trident Z RGB - WD SN750 - Jedi Order Titan Xp - Hyper 212 Black (with RGB Riing flair) - EVGA G3 650W - dual booting Windows 11 and Fedora Linux - Black and green theme, Razer brainwashed me.

Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference.

 

PSU tier list

How many watts do I need?

PSU misconceptions, protections explained, group reg is bad

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1 minute ago, Zando Bob said:

On Intel the latest chips run on Z390 or Z370 with a BIOS update. AMD isn't much more confusing: 

X570 > all chips out of the box
X470/B450/X370/B350 > all chips with a BIOS update for Zen 2
A320 > garbage pls no buy

ofc some boards may have garbage VRMs or something that keeps them from being safe to run newer CPUs on, but as far as chipset compatibility goes this should be accurate. 
 

Because Intel reasons, lol. Is there a reason you're going for an MSI board though? For the Z390 platform specifically, Gigabyte's boards offer better value at pretty much every price point, till you get up to $500+ insane mobos. 

If I had to compare MSI to Gigabyte. MSI is like $50 cheaper than the Gigabyte board... Hate my country's economy.

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2 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

On Intel the latest chips run on Z390 or Z370 with a BIOS updat

I meant out of the box state in both sentences :P

 

2 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

AMD isn't much more confusing: 

I'm talking the trouble it will get from customers.

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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Just now, Netreo said:

If I had to compare MSI to Gigabyte. MSI is like $50 cheaper than the Gigabyte board... Hate my country's economy.

what country? I can compare US pricing but that's irrelevant. This motherboard would be a good pick if it's available to you.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Xtzkcf/asrock-b365m-pro4-micro-atx-lga1151-motherboard-b365m-pro4

I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B

 

Primary PC:

i7 8086k - EVGA Z370 Classified K - G.Skill Trident Z RGB - WD SN750 - Jedi Order Titan Xp - Hyper 212 Black (with RGB Riing flair) - EVGA G3 650W - dual booting Windows 11 and Fedora Linux - Black and green theme, Razer brainwashed me.

Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference.

 

PSU tier list

How many watts do I need?

PSU misconceptions, protections explained, group reg is bad

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2 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

B365 Boards as well

 

Also where did you read that only ASRock, Asus, and gigabyte are compatible? That's not true.

Here ya go buddy... http://processormatch.intel.com/MotherBoards/CompatibleBoards?componentName=i7-9700 Intel is being Intel I guess....

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4 minutes ago, Netreo said:

Here ya go buddy... http://processormatch.intel.com/MotherBoards/CompatibleBoards?componentName=i7-9700 Intel is being Intel I guess....

Never seen that website before, and to be honest, I just can't recommend it. It's a worse version of pcpartpicker.com. other brands like MSI and EVGA are left out 

I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B

 

Primary PC:

i7 8086k - EVGA Z370 Classified K - G.Skill Trident Z RGB - WD SN750 - Jedi Order Titan Xp - Hyper 212 Black (with RGB Riing flair) - EVGA G3 650W - dual booting Windows 11 and Fedora Linux - Black and green theme, Razer brainwashed me.

Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference.

 

PSU tier list

How many watts do I need?

PSU misconceptions, protections explained, group reg is bad

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? What can I say... I'm not an expert but so is Intel...

 

What is your country of purchase? We can narrow down your best board choice. The PC is for gaming mostly right? 

I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B

 

Primary PC:

i7 8086k - EVGA Z370 Classified K - G.Skill Trident Z RGB - WD SN750 - Jedi Order Titan Xp - Hyper 212 Black (with RGB Riing flair) - EVGA G3 650W - dual booting Windows 11 and Fedora Linux - Black and green theme, Razer brainwashed me.

Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference.

 

PSU tier list

How many watts do I need?

PSU misconceptions, protections explained, group reg is bad

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2 minutes ago, Netreo said:

Would this board be good enough? Gigabyte Z390 D. It is in a similar price point with MSI Z390-A PRO which is $114

any reason to use z390 rather than b365? you plan on running high frequency memory?

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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9 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

What is your country of purchase? We can narrow down your best board choice. The PC is for gaming mostly right? 

It's Lithuania. And yes, Gaming and I mean streaming (R.I.P writing). I have most of the parts narrowed down.

Parts:

CPU: i7-9700 (non-k) *I'm dumb for overclocking*

Cooler: Noctua NH-D15

Mobo: Gigabyte????

RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB 2x8Gb 3000 Mhz

Case: Fractal Design Meshify C-TG

PSU: Seasonic Focus Plus 550 GOLD+

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9 minutes ago, Netreo said:

By the way, don't want to pay my kidney for a motherboard.... ?

Since you have a non overclocking chip and want good ram speeds, you should get the cheapest z390 board you can find. Also, save yourself some money by getting something a lot cheaper than the NH-D15, that's a seriously hardcore cooler that is pretty overkill for a locked 8 core. An NH-U12S would do a great job, or the hyper 212 black edition if you can find it at a decent price.

 

Something like this

http://www.skytech.lt/z390-gigabyte-z390-1151-nvme-pcie-gen3-22110-sata-6gbs-p-456169.html

I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B

 

Primary PC:

i7 8086k - EVGA Z370 Classified K - G.Skill Trident Z RGB - WD SN750 - Jedi Order Titan Xp - Hyper 212 Black (with RGB Riing flair) - EVGA G3 650W - dual booting Windows 11 and Fedora Linux - Black and green theme, Razer brainwashed me.

Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference.

 

PSU tier list

How many watts do I need?

PSU misconceptions, protections explained, group reg is bad

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6 minutes ago, Netreo said:

Also I know that AMD Zen CPUs benefit more from RAM than Intel...

doesn't mean Intel CPUs dont gain extra frame rate stability with high frequency memory (it does). Besides, this is the price gap between  the cheapest 16GB kit of low and high frequency

ln2jcMj.png

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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Just now, Jurrunio said:

doesn't mean Intel CPUs dont gain extra frame rate stability with high frequency memory (it does). Besides, this is the price gap between  the cheapest 16GB kit of low and high frequency

ln2jcMj.png

Sadly don't have that brand in my country. Country is being a money grubbing d......

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4 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

Since you have a non overclocking chip and want good ram speeds, you should get the cheapest z390 board you can find. Also, save yourself some money by getting something a lot cheaper than the NH-D15, that's a seriously hardcore cooler that is pretty overkill for a locked 8 core. An NH-U12S would do a great job, or the hyper 212 black edition if you can find it at a decent price.

 

Something like this

http://www.skytech.lt/z390-gigabyte-z390-1151-nvme-pcie-gen3-22110-sata-6gbs-p-456169.html

Wouldn't 212 EVO a better performance for price?

Also Noctua has better fans. 

Black Edition $35 and U12S is $82. I should do some research on these two coolers before buying.

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