Need Advice On a New 1500€ Gaming PC

[Anon7mous]

Hi everyone,

 

1. Budget & Location

Budget: 1500€ only for the case. I'm willing to go a bit more if really needed.

Location: EU

2. Aim

Mostly gaming. 

3. Monitors

I was planning on getting one of those 24,5" 1080p 144Hz IPS Monitors coming out in a couple of months. Since performance is important to me I don't think 144 Hz and 1440p would work long term on AAA games...

4. Peripherals

No need for peripherals.

5. Why are you upgrading?

My OCed FX8320 just ain't cutting it anymore.

 

My idea:

I already did some researching and I'm pretty uncertain what to buy. Feel free to correct me. I'm having especially tough time deciding on what GPU and CPU to buy. I definitely want a silent PC and the components should have good build quality. RGB is not important to me.

 

1. CPU: Either Ryzen 3800x or Intel i7 9700K. The problem is where I live both CPUs cost the same 

intel price: https://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/OffersOfProduct/6331736_-i7-9700k-intel.html

AMD price: https://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/OffersOfProduct/6639764_-ryzen-7-3700x-amd.html

Since I will be buying aftermarket cooler anyway, the price difference is negligible. I know intel performs better on 1080p but AMD seems more future proof because of the upcoming consoles (not sure on this) and the architecture is newer.

 

2. GPU: I was kinda sure I wanted to buy RTX  2070 super until I saw 5700 xt. The price difference is HUGE but since I'm building a gaming PC, even if I save 100€ I'm not sure what else should I invest the remaining money. One benchmark I saw gave a slight edge to the 2070 Super.

nVidia price https://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/ProductCategory/16073F1263426.html

AMD price: https://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/ProductCategory/16073F1335211.html

 

3. Aftermarket CPU Cooler: dark rock pro 4 maybe?

4. Motherboard: Depends on the CPU, I'm willing to spend around 200€ on a board. I almost always OC my CPUs but thats not my priority here.

5. RAM: no idea

6. PSU: I guess 600-650W but still haven't made up my mind which one

7. SSD: Samsung 870 EVO
8. Case: Fractal Design Meshify C with added 2 140mm fans. (2x 140 mm fans in front, 1x rear exhaust fan 120 mm and 1x top exhaust 120 mm)

 

Your advice is appreciated!

 

EDIT 1: Typos

[5x5]

Get the 3700X - it's cheaper than both and offers similar performance to a 9900K. Runs cooler, uses far less power and has an upgrade path to 12/16 cores or Zen3

[Epimetheus]

What country are you from? And don't get the 3800x, get the 3700x. They're nearly identical and the 3700x costs less. A much more balanced buy. The RTX 2070 Super is like 5-9% faster than the 5700 xt on average and has raytracing, so you're the one who should see if it's worth it. For the board get an Asus tuf or an Aorus elite

[Anon7mous]

 

Thanks for your replies. I posted the price of the 3700x and wrote 3800x. My bad. 

I live in Germany. Both 3700X and 9700k cost about the same if you ignore the aftermarket cooler (I'm getting one anyway). 

 

Can you also recommend me other parts?

[MeatFeastMan]

Just now, Anon7mous said:

 

Thanks for your replies. I posted the price of the 3700x and wrote 3800x. My bad. 

I live in Germany. Both 3700X and 9700k cost about the same if you ignore the aftermarket cooler (I'm getting one anyway). 

 

Can you also recommend me other parts?

You are gaming mostly. Forget both of those. The 3600 is nearly half the price and performs pretty much the same as both the 3700x and 9700k. Also 6 cores 12 threads is very close to 8 cores 8 threads, so it'll last as long and performs very similarly in multithreaded tasks. Point being, if you're happy to buy a 9700k, then the 3600 is also fine for you.

 

Pair that with the 5700XT and save yourself a ton of money. Or alternatively if you desperately want ray tracing then there's the 2070 Super. For gaming all you'll need is the 3600.

[Blind X]

I agree with @MeatFeastMan If just gaming is your concern, the R5 3600 is more than enough. Also as compared to 9700K, the 3600 performs better while streaming/recording because of hyper-threading. So there is absolutely no need to spend more money on CPU since you are not going to benefit from either of them in just games.

 

For €1500, I can build you a system with a beast like 2080 SUPER but who needs that for 1080p gaming. Since the RX 5700 XT is considered the sweet spot for 1440p 144Hz, it will be destroying 1080p gaming.

 

So the wise decision is to go for R5 3600 with the 5700 XT. Will save you alot of money and do the job.

 

OR 

 

If you decide to go for 1440p 144Hz then you can pair the R5 3600 with the 2080 SUPER and there you go. 1440p maxed AAA titles with 100+

 

Here is a build I would recommend you for just 1080p Gaming

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor  (€199.90 @ Alternate) 
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€114.80 @ Alza) 
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  (€83.90 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Storage: Sabrent Rocket 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (€69.95 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Computer 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (€56.95 @ ARLT) 
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB Video Card  (€417.99 @ Mindfactory) 
Case: Phanteks ECLIPSE P350X ATX Mid Tower Case  (€69.61 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Power Supply: be quiet! Pure Power 11 CM 500 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply  (€76.00 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Total: €1089.10
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-09-13 19:13 CEST+0200

 

No need for an aftermarket cooler. 3600 doesn't run that Hot out of the box and the stock cooler holds it up pretty well.

[Anon7mous]

3 hours ago, Blind X said:

I agree with @MeatFeastMan If just gaming is your concern, the R5 3600 is more than enough. Also as compared to 9700K, the 3600 performs better while streaming/recording because of hyper-threading. So there is absolutely no need to spend more money on CPU since you are not going to benefit from either of them in just games.

 

For €1500, I can build you a system with a beast like 2080 SUPER but who needs that for 1080p gaming. Since the RX 5700 XT is considered the sweet spot for 1440p 144Hz, it will be destroying 1080p gaming.

 

So the wise decision is to go for R5 3600 with the 5700 XT. Will save you alot of money and do the job.

 

OR 

 

If you decide to go for 1440p 144Hz then you can pair the R5 3600 with the 2080 SUPER and there you go. 1440p maxed AAA titles with 100+

 

Here is a build I would recommend you for just 1080p Gaming

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor  (€199.90 @ Alternate) 
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€114.80 @ Alza) 
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  (€83.90 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Storage: Sabrent Rocket 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (€69.95 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Computer 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (€56.95 @ ARLT) 
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB Video Card  (€417.99 @ Mindfactory) 
Case: Phanteks ECLIPSE P350X ATX Mid Tower Case  (€69.61 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Power Supply: be quiet! Pure Power 11 CM 500 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply  (€76.00 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Total: €1089.10
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-09-13 19:13 CEST+0200

 

No need for an aftermarket cooler. 3600 doesn't run that Hot out of the box and the stock cooler holds it up pretty well.

Thanks for taking the time! Wow, I'm not sure now. You kinda blew my expectations. I was determined on getting either i7 or r7 .  Now I basically have to decide is it worth spending another 500€ for 1440p. I would also have to get a different monitor which would probably shoot through my budget limit. 

 

In case I want to go for 2080 super, how many FPS can I expect on 144hz 1440p? How "future proof" will it be? Would you change any other parts or just the gfx card?

 

On the other hand if I stay with 5700 xt, is it maybe worth getting better motherboard (for OCing) or more PSU in case I want to upgrade my system?

[Blind X]

3 hours ago, Anon7mous said:

In case I want to go for 2080 super, how many FPS can I expect on 144hz 1440p? How "future proof" will it be? Would you change any other parts or just the gfx card?

120+ average in most of the titles. As far as future proofing is concern, as I said that even a 5700 XT does well at 1440p so if you are going with something as powerful as 2080 SUPER (basically the most powerful card out there if you neglect 2080 Ti) then you should be fine for at least a couple of years but then again who knows how much GPU intensive games will become in the future. Still I think that the 2080 SUPER will serve you well at 1440p for quiet some time.

 

No, I will pretty much leave everything as it is except for the card of course.

3 hours ago, Anon7mous said:

On the other hand if I stay with 5700 xt, is it maybe worth getting better motherboard (for OCing) or more PSU in case I want to upgrade my system?

That board is capable enough for overclocking even the R7 3700X so no need to change that but unfortunately Ryzen CPUs aren't great overclockers so what I recommend is just turn on the precision boost and let it do its own thing. 

 

For power supply I would say 500W is enough for any single GPU setup. However you can always get 600-650W power supplies for quieter operation as there will be less load on the PSU. 

[Anon7mous]

19 hours ago, Blind X said:

120+ average in most of the titles. As far as future proofing is concern, as I said that even a 5700 XT does well at 1440p so if you are going with something as powerful as 2080 SUPER (basically the most powerful card out there if you neglect 2080 Ti) then you should be fine for at least a couple of years but then again who knows how much GPU intensive games will become in the future. Still I think that the 2080 SUPER will serve you well at 1440p for quiet some time.

 

No, I will pretty much leave everything as it is except for the card of course.

That board is capable enough for overclocking even the R7 3700X so no need to change that but unfortunately Ryzen CPUs aren't great overclockers so what I recommend is just turn on the precision boost and let it do its own thing. 

 

For power supply I would say 500W is enough for any single GPU setup. However you can always get 600-650W power supplies for quieter operation as there will be less load on the PSU. 

I'll go with your advice. I'll also get 5700 xt cause I'll be playing on 1080p. 

 

I'm just gonna tweak a few things, I don't mind spending a few bucks more. I'll go with fractal meshify C. Since silence running is important to me, can you recommend me a good 600 / 650 W PSU? And another thing, is there a reason to have a HDD nowadays? I was thinking of going only with SSDs, does it make sense to have 2 or just one with multiple partitions? Any particular ones that are really good?

 

Thanks in advance!

[Blind X]

1 hour ago, Anon7mous said:

I'll go with your advice. I'll also get 5700 xt cause I'll be playing on 1080p. 

 

I'm just gonna tweak a few things, I don't mind spending a few bucks more. I'll go with fractal meshify C. Since silence running is important to me, can you recommend me a good 600 / 650 W PSU? And another thing, is there a reason to have a HDD nowadays? I was thinking of going only with SSDs, does it make sense to have 2 or just one with multiple partitions? Any particular ones that are really good?

 

Thanks in advance!

A good 600W PSU

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/K3Jtt6/be-quiet-pure-power-11-cm-600-w-80-gold-certified-semi-modular-atx-power-supply-bn298

 

If you have huge amount of data to store such as pictures, movies, recorded gameplays and stuff like that then yes, hard drives are always better because this sort of data you don't access on regular basis but you don't want to delete all those precious things either so there is no need for quick storage and hard drive does the job for cheaper.

 

However if you use limited amount of softwares and play only some certain games then SSDs are quick. Significantly fast load times in games and hugely faster file transfers. 

 

So its up to you whether you need a hard drive or 1-1.5 Tb of storage is more than enough and you have the money to get fast storage

 

I always prefer one storage device with multiple partitions for normal daily use. Here is an M.2 NVME that should full fill your storage needs and is more than enough for gaming.

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7MQG3C/intel-660p-series-2tb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-ssdpeknw020t8x1

 

[Anon7mous]

On 9/14/2019 at 9:49 PM, Blind X said:

A good 600W PSU

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/K3Jtt6/be-quiet-pure-power-11-cm-600-w-80-gold-certified-semi-modular-atx-power-supply-bn298

 

If you have huge amount of data to store such as pictures, movies, recorded gameplays and stuff like that then yes, hard drives are always better because this sort of data you don't access on regular basis but you don't want to delete all those precious things either so there is no need for quick storage and hard drive does the job for cheaper.

 

However if you use limited amount of softwares and play only some certain games then SSDs are quick. Significantly fast load times in games and hugely faster file transfers. 

 

So its up to you whether you need a hard drive or 1-1.5 Tb of storage is more than enough and you have the money to get fast storage

 

I always prefer one storage device with multiple partitions for normal daily use. Here is an M.2 NVME that should full fill your storage needs and is more than enough for gaming.

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7MQG3C/intel-660p-series-2tb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-ssdpeknw020t8x1

 

Once again, thanks!