Ram OC

[orlando690]

How would I go about making this better? 

If possible. 

I have tried 3400 Mhz but it won't boot at all. I have to clear the cmos. 

I've done it with everything auto. 

 

The trfc was at 584 on auto so I lowered it to 540

I set it to 16 19 19 19 44 because 18 didn't work and 38 didn't either till I hit 44. Although I haven't don't 38 with 19.

 

Edit:

Forgot to mention that I ocd from 3000 to 3333

 

Edited August 4, 2019 by orlando690

[alatron978]

Since you are running at 3333mhz, first raise voltage to 1.4V, set tRCD to 17 keep tRP at 19, then if that works drop tRCDRD to 10 and see how low tRAS goes, Stress test. Then drop tRFC to 470-490~ and tRRD_S and tRRD_L to 5 and 8 respectively, then set tFAW to 22, stress test again, then set tWTR_S and tWTR_L to 4 and 12 or 3 and 11, then drop tWR to 16 then lower by 2's until unstable and do the same from tRTP but start at 12, stress test again, then if stable, keep dropping all timings until you are unstable. If you are only just unstable like you spit out an error at 200% in hci mem test, bump voltage up by 20mv, just dont go over 1.45V vdimm. If you have any questions feel free to ask

 

[orlando690]

4 hours ago, alatron978 said:

Since you are running at 3333mhz, first raise voltage to 1.4V, set tRCD to 17 keep tRP at 19, then if that works drop tRCDRD to 10 and see how low tRAS goes, Stress test. Then drop tRFC to 470-490~ and tRRD_S and tRRD_L to 5 and 8 respectively, then set tFAW to 22, stress test again, then set tWTR_S and tWTR_L to 4 and 12 or 3 and 11, then drop tWR to 16 then lower by 2's until unstable and do the same from tRTP but start at 12, stress test again, then if stable, keep dropping all timings until you are unstable. If you are only just unstable like you spit out an error at 200% in hci mem test, bump voltage up by 20mv, just dont go over 1.45V vdimm. If you have any questions feel free to ask

 

I forgot to mention that I have ocd from 3000 to 3333

Dont know if that changes a thing, but I will try later today.

[alatron978]

22 minutes ago, orlando690 said:

I forgot to mention that I have ocd from 3000 to 3333

Dont know if that changes a thing, but I will try later today.

Yeah, dw i based it off of 3333mhz, i can see in pic

[orlando690]

13 hours ago, alatron978 said:

set tRCD to 17 

DO you mean trcdwr I can find everything else except trcd

 

I tried it with trcdwr on the first step. Now my SOTTR benchmark fps is much lower. There is a possibility that yesterday when I opened up GeForce experienced I may have changed some settings but in game everything is the same (dlss was turned off for some reason but I turned it back on) 

[orlando690]

@alatron978

Once I set trcdrd to 10 I have to clear cmos. Tried auto tras and 44. Voltage at 1.4

[-rascal-]

12 minutes ago, orlando690 said:

@alatron978

Once I set trcdrd to 10 I have to clear cmos. Tried auto tras and 44. Voltage at 1.4

 

What is your RAM kit officially rated for (XMP) ?

 

Either the DRAM ICs are not capable of running at 3400 MHz (since they are binned at the factory), or you may need to increase the timings to get it stable.

 

3000 series Ryzen can handle higher frequency DDR4 RAM, but you may also be limited by the B450 motherboard, as the topology and trace routing is not as optimized vs X570 (other 500 series based motherboards).

[orlando690]

5 minutes ago, -rascal- said:

 

What is your RAM kit officially rated for (XMP) ?

Either the DRAM ICs are not capable of running at 3400 MHz (since they are binned at the factory), or you may need to increase the timings to get it stable.

3000 series Ryzen can handle higher frequency DDR4 RAM, but you may also be limited by the B450 motherboard, as the topology is trace routing is not as optimized.

Rated at 3000mhz. I disabled xmp profile. 

And I'm trying 3333, 3400 will cause me to reset cmos. It's annoying. 

 

I dont see voltage on ryzen master so I go back and forward to dragon center. 

Mobo sucks because they had to remove alot for it to take the new 30000 series. 

[-rascal-]

7 minutes ago, orlando690 said:

Rated at 3000mhz. I disabled xmp profile. 

And I'm trying 3333, 3400 will cause me to reset cmos. It's annoying. 

 

I dont see voltage on ryzen master so I go back and forward to dragon center. 

Mobo sucks because they had to remove alot for it to take the new 30000 series. 

 

Set the DRAM voltage directly through BIOS...

Well the B450M Mortar is a lower-tier motherboard; you can't expect them to pack everything in while keeping the price down.

[orlando690]

9 minutes ago, -rascal- said:

 

Set the DRAM voltage directly through BIOS...

Well the B450M Mortar is a lower-tier motherboard; you can't expect them to pack everything in while keeping the price down.

Can't set voltage on bios. All I can do is set frequency and fclk. Voltage and timings are all greyd out. 

Read trcd isn't stable at 18. So I guess I reached this rama limit? 

 

Buildzoid lists this as one of the best for OC.See here

[orlando690]

@alatron978

Update:

Tried it out had to leave trcdrd at 19 because it was unstable. Trtp sets at 5 but then it shows 6 my guess is something isn't letting it go that low or it just displays wrong value; Cas Latency won't go lower either even after apply/test. 

How much can I lower the 5 & 8 and 3 & 11?

Went to 460 from 470 about to try 420(clear cmos now, lol) 

 

I haven't tested with any test just benchmark SOTTR. 

You mentioned hcu memtest. How do I do that? I know memtest86 does an image on usb but that starts a automatic default test, is there another after that on the screen that has other options? 

 

I will also set ram to 3200 on bios like I had it before because I want to see if changing this caused it to loose fps. I don't get what could have caused lower fps and frames rendered i am missing ~600 frames. There was 1 setting that when changed it boosted my fps to 81 (previously 84) and also added ~600 frames. But now after all that you see on the picture I still can't get the frames or fps back. I'll see how it goes with xmp and changing it to 3200mhz in bios, no dragon center or ryzen master. 

 

 

Edited August 4, 2019 by orlando690

[Vejnemojnen]

23 hours ago, alatron978 said:

Since you are running at 3333mhz, first raise voltage to 1.4V, set tRCD to 17 keep tRP at 19, then if that works drop tRCDRD to 10 and see how low tRAS goes, Stress test. Then drop tRFC to 470-490~ and tRRD_S and tRRD_L to 5 and 8 respectively, then set tFAW to 22, stress test again, then set tWTR_S and tWTR_L to 4 and 12 or 3 and 11, then drop tWR to 16 then lower by 2's until unstable and do the same from tRTP but start at 12, stress test again, then if stable, keep dropping all timings until you are unstable. If you are only just unstable like you spit out an error at 200% in hci mem test, bump voltage up by 20mv, just dont go over 1.45V vdimm. If you have any questions feel free to ask

 

I'll probably have some questions, though with kind of entry level CPU-Mobo (2200G&B450M Pro4) pairing. I cannot get it t boot with 3400Mhz (xmp profile 1.0 of the RAM-kit). Neither with extra voltage or relaxed timings. (hynix cjr chipped viper4 3400mhz dualchannel rams)

[alatron978]

9 hours ago, orlando690 said:

@alatron978

Update:

Tried it out had to leave trcdrd at 19 because it was unstable. Trtp sets at 5 but then it shows 6 my guess is something isn't letting it go that low or it just displays wrong value; Cas Latency won't go lower either even after apply/test. 

How much can I lower the 5 & 8 and 3 & 11?

Went to 460 from 470 about to try 420(clear cmos now, lol) 

 

I haven't tested with any test just benchmark SOTTR. 

You mentioned hcu memtest. How do I do that? I know memtest86 does an image on usb but that starts a automatic default test, is there another after that on the screen that has other options? 

 

I will also set ram to 3200 on bios like I had it before because I want to see if changing this caused it to loose fps. I don't get what could have caused lower fps and frames rendered i am missing ~600 frames. There was 1 setting that when changed it boosted my fps to 81 (previously 84) and also added ~600 frames. But now after all that you see on the picture I still can't get the frames or fps back. I'll see how it goes with xmp and changing it to 3200mhz in bios, no dragon center or ryzen master. 

 

 

First thing you should do with those timings is stress test, if you are unstable you can get worse performance due to the memory spending time to correct errors. An easy way to run HCI memtest and the way i use it, is to download ryzen dram calculator and run the MEMbench thing in it to 200% per thread, using 80% of memory capacity. Answering your question of tRRD_S and L drop as far as they go, 4 and 6 is probably lowest achievable, im not sure what 3 and 11 will do due to my inability and lack of testing due to my motherboard not setting them, sorry . After stress testing to make sure its stable, you could probs lower tRC to at least 55 if not lower, tCWL usually does tCL -2 or -3 on a kit like yours (might be -1) so that can be lowered, tFAW is at least tRRD_S x 4 but i usually add 2 because it adds stability, no harm in trying to lower though. Honestly since im on Intel i can't help with anything else so good luck lowering those numbers!!!! Im always open to any questions btw BTW, i recommend trying xmp on, it will set some timings you cant see and usually will benefit performance, its not good on all kits though so make sure to test bandwidth and latency.

[orlando690]

12 hours ago, alatron978 said:

ryzen dram calculator and run the MEMbench thing in it to 200% per thread, using 80% of memory capacity. 

How long does the test take or should I run it for? 

Thanks for all the help it gives me ram at the best it can be. Best of all I didn't even need to go to 1.4 since it didn't help so I'm well below safe margins there, and I have lifetime warranty. 

Still haven't had time to test out 3200 on SOTTR bench, I think I'll do that first since by what you said that will be a faster indicator of error correcting. 

Edit:

Checked out some videos and don't see membench anywhere 

 

[alatron978]

12 hours ago, orlando690 said:

How long does the test take or should I run it for? 

Thanks for all the help it gives me ram at the best it can be. Best of all I didn't even need to go to 1.4 since it didn't help so I'm well below safe margins there, and I have lifetime warranty. 

Still haven't had time to test out 3200 on SOTTR bench, I think I'll do that first since by what you said that will be a faster indicator of error correcting. 

Edit:

Checked out some videos and don't see membench anywhere 

 

MEMbench is a part of Ryzen DRAM Calculator and all it does is run the correct amount of HCI memtest threads easily, to use it, download Ryzen DRAM Calculator, then go to the MEMbench tab in it and set all threads (unless you want to use it, then set it to all but 2) and use 75% of system memory. Then set to Stop at 200% with the task mode on single. If you do get an error, simply raise voltage in +20mv increments, anything under 1.425V is 100% safe.

[orlando690]

On 8/4/2019 at 11:33 PM, Vejnemojnen said:

I'll probably have some questions, though with kind of entry level CPU-Mobo (2200G&B450M Pro4) pairing. I cannot get it t boot with 3400Mhz (xmp profile 1.0 of the RAM-kit). Neither with extra voltage or relaxed timings. (hynix cjr chipped viper4 3400mhz dualchannel rams)

Don't use xmp profile or check that your bios update is rated for it. I built another with a 3400g and tomohawk. I'm sure there's been an update for it since I last did it because my mortar got an update which is when I tried out xmp on the mortar. 

Point is because of the new ryzen 3000 series new bios has been reduced and certain things cut, so just don't use xmp. Manually set the frequency to 3400. If you want set the (fclk?) to 3400÷2. Ddr4 Mhz = fclk*2. 

Before that though I would personally clear the cmos just to be sure bios is completely stock but you can do what you want. 

I know very little so don't be surprised if this doesn't help

[orlando690]

@alatron978

I tried xmp and it was just completely unstable. On ryzen master I saw some new settings (2) and decided to lower the timing on those just a bit because I got tired of all the troubleshooting on xmp. 

Didn't stress test yet it yet because I wanted to play metro Exodus and left pc doing other things after. But once I do I'll lower the timings more if I can. 

 

Question about gpu OC

So yesterday I got a stable +110 clock and +719 memory. I mean game stable not max OC stable, that reached +119 clock and +810 memory. 

 

Today I try playing and I can't run sottr benchmark at same OC as yesterday. I decided to do kombuster and it got artifacing something that I had not gotten yesterday. 

Had to go down to +104(gpu never liked +105 for some reason) and +710. And seems fine. 

I know if I need to for sure 100 and 700 are golden, but any ideas there? 

 

Also I tested ram at 3200 like I had it and fps are the same as this OC (Sottr)(although frames rendered was a lot closer to first benchmarks before I started to OC) I don't get what happened I've tried testing to see what setting was low enough to cause this and I can't find it. My gpu OC now gets me to same fps and very similar frames rendered. Very wierd and kind of worrying shit here. 

I feel like I should OC my cpu now to get more performance, all ryzen 3000 series don't OC much they all reach (up to 3800x) 4.3 so I find it pointless but I notice I rarely hit 4.2 in games so it calls my name. 

 

First time I OC anything. Started with RAM because it had lifetime warranty and said fuck it let's do it all. Fucking ray tracing is killer, without it 1440p isn't that bad. Crazy thing is I don't even care about playing with 30fps because I can't notice much difference but now that I got all this gear I want higher numbers. 

[Vejnemojnen]

8 hours ago, orlando690 said:

Don't use xmp profile or check that your bios update is rated for it. I built another with a 3400g and tomohawk. I'm sure there's been an update for it since I last did it because my mortar got an update which is when I tried out xmp on the mortar. 

Point is because of the new ryzen 3000 series new bios has been reduced and certain things cut, so just don't use xmp. Manually set the frequency to 3400. If you want set the (fclk?) to 3400÷2. Ddr4 Mhz = fclk*2. 

Before that though I would personally clear the cmos just to be sure bios is completely stock but you can do what you want. 

I know very little so don't be surprised if this doesn't help

Thanks. I never used the stock XMP profile though. I selected XMP, then modified everything as RyzenDRAM Calculator suggested. And it worked at 3000-3200 mhz, but any clock above 3200 is no-go with my 2200G.  I'm guessing I'm CPU limited.

[orlando690]

2 hours ago, Vejnemojnen said:

Thanks. I never used the stock XMP profile though. I selected XMP, then modified everything as RyzenDRAM Calculator suggested. And it worked at 3000-3200 mhz, but any clock above 3200 is no-go with my 2200G.  I'm guessing I'm CPU limited.

Sorry but, lol. 

Should have read supported ram. 3000mhz isn't even supported natively, 2933 is then you can overclock from there. I wouldn't mind switching ram if the timing isn't past CL16

[Vejnemojnen]

7 hours ago, orlando690 said:

Sorry but, lol. 

Should have read supported ram. 3000mhz isn't even supported natively, 2933 is then you can overclock from there. I wouldn't mind switching ram if the timing isn't past CL16

by "supported list" you mean QUALIFIED VENDOR LIST? Bc qualified does not equal compatible.. why lol? B450 board with current bios-es are kind of good in terms memory support..

I have them working 3000mhz cl 14-14-... or 3200 mhz cl 16-16... but, 3400 mhz is not working

 

and I cant buy ram currently, prices have risen with ~30-35% in the last month, and almost every retailer is out of stock of decent kits.. 

 

Trust me, QVL does not mean a helluva thing. And the rams are actually on the Ryzen compatible kit list Patriot published.

 

QVL only indicates, that the board's manufacturer actually tested the ram. SO hugely restrictive. I'll just share my current stable settings, and, if anyone has idea what to raise or loosen, I'd kindly appreciate it  Here are the timings (blue boxes) I'm currently using with 1.29V, 1.05V SOC voltage:

 

 

How should I proceed to get a successful 3400Mhz clock speed? Raising the voltage is definitely neccessary, with higher timings. But what exactly? Calculated safe profile does not boot. 

[orlando690]

10 minutes ago, Vejnemojnen said:

by "supported list" you mean QUALIFIED VENDOR LIST? Bc qualified does not equal compatible.. why lol? B450 board with current bios-es are kind of good in terms memory support..

I have them working 3000mhz cl 14-14-... or 3200 mhz cl 16-16... but, 3400 mhz is not working

 

and I cant buy ram currently, prices have risen with ~30-35% in the last month, and almost every retailer is out of stock of decent kits.. 

 

Trust me, QVL does not mean a helluva thing. And the rams are actually on the Ryzen compatible kit list Patriot published.

 

QVL only indicates, that the board's manufacturer actually tested the ram. SO hugely restrictive. I'll just share my current stable settings, and, if anyone has idea what to raise or loosen, I'd kindly appreciate it  Here are the timings (blue boxes) I'm currently using with 1.29V, 1.05V SOC voltage:

 

 

How should I proceed to get a successful 3400Mhz clock speed? Raising the voltage is definitely neccessary, with higher timings. But what exactly? Calculated safe profile does not boot. 

Check this out natively your CPU doesn't support past 2933, it let's you overclock over that though, but that's overclock over 2933.

Your 3400 native ram won't work at 3400 at all. 

 

You are not overclocking you are underclocking your ram frequency. 

 

What timings are you rated for? Maybe that you can overclock (lower) and not under clock (increase). 

Have you tried lowering in the same manner (not same values) that was recommended to me? 

 

You don't need to buy another ram stick you have some good stuff there. 

[alatron978]

21 hours ago, orlando690 said:

@alatron978

I tried xmp and it was just completely unstable. On ryzen master I saw some new settings (2) and decided to lower the timing on those just a bit because I got tired of all the troubleshooting on xmp. 

Didn't stress test yet it yet because I wanted to play metro Exodus and left pc doing other things after. But once I do I'll lower the timings more if I can. 

 

Question about gpu OC

So yesterday I got a stable +110 clock and +719 memory. I mean game stable not max OC stable, that reached +119 clock and +810 memory. 

 

Today I try playing and I can't run sottr benchmark at same OC as yesterday. I decided to do kombuster and it got artifacing something that I had not gotten yesterday. 

Had to go down to +104(gpu never liked +105 for some reason) and +710. And seems fine. 

I know if I need to for sure 100 and 700 are golden, but any ideas there? 

 

Also I tested ram at 3200 like I had it and fps are the same as this OC (Sottr)(although frames rendered was a lot closer to first benchmarks before I started to OC) I don't get what happened I've tried testing to see what setting was low enough to cause this and I can't find it. My gpu OC now gets me to same fps and very similar frames rendered. Very wierd and kind of worrying shit here. 

I feel like I should OC my cpu now to get more performance, all ryzen 3000 series don't OC much they all reach (up to 3800x) 4.3 so I find it pointless but I notice I rarely hit 4.2 in games so it calls my name. 

 

First time I OC anything. Started with RAM because it had lifetime warranty and said fuck it let's do it all. Fucking ray tracing is killer, without it 1440p isn't that bad. Crazy thing is I don't even care about playing with 30fps because I can't notice much difference but now that I got all this gear I want higher numbers. 

For your gpu oc i can't really help, i have never had an nvidia gpu and haven't used them much, all i can really tell you is that gpu oc's need to be stress tested for hours (or 10's of hours) to find stability, honestly i dislike gpu overclocking and find it quite underwhelming. For your memory, the reason why performance has gone down is very hard to diagnose, something has probably been changed and forgotten about so clearing cmos is probably the easiest way to resolve the issue. If you do overclock your cpu, don't go over 1.325V, its the maximum safe high current rating for the new chips.

 

[alatron978]

22 hours ago, orlando690 said:

Don't use xmp profile or check that your bios update is rated for it. I built another with a 3400g and tomohawk. I'm sure there's been an update for it since I last did it because my mortar got an update which is when I tried out xmp on the mortar. 

Point is because of the new ryzen 3000 series new bios has been reduced and certain things cut, so just don't use xmp. Manually set the frequency to 3400. If you want set the (fclk?) to 3400÷2. Ddr4 Mhz = fclk*2. 

Before that though I would personally clear the cmos just to be sure bios is completely stock but you can do what you want. 

I know very little so don't be surprised if this doesn't help

Always use XMP if it works, you will get better performance, this includes when overclocking if it doesn't limit frequency.