CPU throttling or incorrect temps?

[MarcusMel]

I recently purchased a FX-6300 (yes i know, mega old) and mobo combo for 60€, thought it was a ok deal, 6core 3.5 ghz. I have wanted a 6 or 8 core cpu for the longest time now. But I have noticed a very peculiar thing. I have HW monitor running and I enter CS:GO and go inside a game, shoot around and have sudden spikes. I alt-tab and see that the cpu is at 200-230 degrees. Now, of course, this is impossible, since it should have automatically shut off the system, in case of such temps. But it throttles the cpu down to 1.4ghz on all cores. But when I run Prime95, it maxes out at 85°. Any thoughts on the problem or how to disable throttling? (All temps in celsius)

CPU: AMD FX-6300

Mobo: MSI 760-PM23

Cooler: Stock AMD Cooler

Ram: 8GB G-Skill DDR3

GPU: GTX 1050

PSU: 350W

 

[Leanora]

Are you sure you added thermal paste correctly ? 

Change the stock cooler to something better.  Stocks, especially from a few years ago are bad. 

 

If that is not fixing it then sadly it sounds like you got a bad deal.

 

Play in windowed mode and see the temps without alt tabbing, also try a different program, it might be a compatibility issue. 

 

 

[.Apex.]

1 hour ago, MarcusMel said:

I recently purchased a FX-6300 (yes i know, mega old) and mobo combo for 60€, thought it was a ok deal, 6core 3.5 ghz. I have wanted a 6 or 8 core cpu for the longest time now. But I have noticed a very peculiar thing. I have HW monitor running and I enter CS:GO and go inside a game, shoot around and have sudden spikes. I alt-tab and see that the cpu is at 200-230 degrees. Now, of course, this is impossible, since it should have automatically shut off the system, in case of such temps. But it throttles the cpu down to 1.4ghz on all cores. But when I run Prime95, it maxes out at 85°. Any thoughts on the problem or how to disable throttling? (All temps in celsius)

No clue what that 200-230C temp is, but 85C is still throttling temp, from my experience the stock cooler is absolute garbage, I don't know how you bought this whole deal, did you get the cooler pre-installed? did you even apply thermal paste yourself? maybe the CPU is actually pre-overclocked by previous owner? check voltages or reset BIOS, if all that doesn't help you, then replace the cooler

 

you can't disable throttling

[MarcusMel]

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14 minutes ago, _Syn_ said:

from my experience the stock cooler is absolute garbage, I don't know how you bought this whole deal, did you get the cooler pre-installed? did you even apply thermal paste yourself?

 

I have like 3 AMD stock coolers. The one that was preinstalled on the mobo and cpu didn't have any thermalpaste so that gave me a bit of a scare that it might be dead or fried, but the system booted. I put on my other cooler that i had with my previous cpu. I most likely have to re-add thermalpaste but I no longer have any and have to wait till Tuesday. But by then I will be able to get a Hyper 212 EVO.

 

39 minutes ago, Leanora said:

Play in windowed mode and see the temps without alt tabbing, also try a different program, it might be a compatibility issue.

Forgot to mention, tried windowed mode and seemed "fine" (80°) and shut down the pc after seeing the 200° in fullscreen and checked bios hw monitor and said it was 65°. Very possible that CPUID HWmonitor is bugging out but weird that my previous cpu wasnt doing that.

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5 minutes ago, MarcusMel said:

I have like 3 AMD stock coolers. The one that was preinstalled on the mobo and cpu didn't have any thermalpaste so that gave me a bit of a scare that it might be dead or fried, but the system booted. I put on my other cooler that i had with my previous cpu. I most likely have to re-add thermalpaste but I no longer have any and have to wait till Tuesday. But by then I will be able to get a Hyper 212 EVO.

then that's your problem...
 

5 minutes ago, MarcusMel said:

Forgot to mention, tried windowed mode and seemed "fine" (80°) and shut down the pc after seeing the 200° in fullscreen and checked bios hw monitor and said it was 65°. Very possible that CPUID HWmonitor is bugging out but weird that my previous cpu wasnt doing that.

Use HWInfo instead, HWmonitor has tons of problems

[MarcusMel]

4 minutes ago, _Syn_ said:

then that's your problem...

But could it, by chance, be a bad temp sensor? Because I've seen that the FX cpus and am3 mobos have a bad rep for the heat sensors and the failure rate.

[.Apex.]

Just now, MarcusMel said:

But could it, by chance, be a bad temp sensor? Because I've seen that the FX cpus and am3 mobos have a bad rep for the heat sensors and the failure rate.

I would fault HWmonitor first before the temp sensor, it is possible but you need to check other programs as well, this is not the first time i've seen HWmonitor report false temps on here

[MarcusMel]

5 minutes ago, _Syn_ said:

I would fault HWmonitor first before the temp sensor

Sorry for being doubtful and picky, but it seems that you're really knowledgable. Wouldn't HWMonitor be somewhat accurate since as soon as it reports 200 degrees, CSGO, for example, drops to 15fps a.k.a throttles?

[.Apex.]

3 minutes ago, MarcusMel said:

Sorry for being doubtful and picky, but it seems that you're really knowledgable. Wouldn't HWMonitor be somewhat accurate since as soon as it reports 200 degrees, CSGO, for example, drops to 15fps a.k.a throttles?

200 degrees is way beyond shutdown temperature, and that is controlled by the CPU/Motherboard, so if the motherboard see's 200C as well then it would have shutdown, but since it didn't then the CPU is not actually reporting 200C

[MarcusMel]

Alright, thanks, right now i have my case open and it seems that HWInfo also says its at 60 degrees. I'll just wait for my Hyper 212 evo.

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1 minute ago, _Syn_ said:

200 degrees is way beyond shutdown temperature, and that is controlled by the CPU/Motherboard, so if the motherboard see's 200C as well then it would have shutdown, but since it didn't then the CPU is not actually reporting 200C 

I phrased it wrong, the CPU itself determines when to shutdown, it just sends a command to the motherboard to do so

[Leanora]

Please do not use your computer when you DO NOT HAVE ANY THERMAL PASTE APPLIED!

Seriously, don't. 

 

add thermal paste and the new cooler and let us know the results. 

[MarcusMel]

14 minutes ago, Leanora said:

Please do not use your computer when you DO NOT HAVE ANY THERMAL PASTE APPLIED!

Seriously, don't. 

It does have some, but it's pretty old. I fully understand the dangers of using a pc with no thermal paste on cpu. I know that I seem pretty new to PC building, but I know the basics and I just haven't encountered that big of a problem with any kind of throttling before.

[MarcusMel]

On 6/23/2019 at 11:12 AM, Leanora said:

add thermal paste and the new cooler and let us know the results. 

So a few days passed and I tried some bios settings such as AMD Cool and Quiet and AMD Turbo Core disabled and that seemed to fix it for a while. But now I got my Hyper 212 and it doesn't go past 20 degrees. It could have been my old thermal paste but atleast I got a real deal for a cpu and mobo.  Thanks for all the advice!