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2 hours ago, KcNeedles said:

In the Asus bios it has the option to overclock manually or to use their AI overclocker which will rate cooling performance then overclock accordingly.  Link below.

https://rog.asus.com/articles/overclocking/how-to-overclock-your-system-using-ai-overclocking/

 

Okay, just wanted to check to be sure.

 

i would recommend doing manual OC. That way you at least also control voltage properly. 

 

I cant give you any values where to start, as I don’t have any experience with your cpu. What I have gathered tho is keeping it under 1.28/1.3V is preferable with intel cpus. 

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So I just built my first rig and got everything up and running 9700k processor RTX 2080.  I decided to attempt overclocking using the Asus Ai overclocker built into the bios. It bumped all of my cores to a stable 5.1. Ran a few stress tests ;no thermal throttle, no power throttle. Yet when I set the BIOS to XMP 1 it actually benched higher. How is that possible?

XMP run 

 

Image Editing

240,269

Time:22.1751

 

Encoding

161,918

Time:32.9054

 

OpenCL

162,565

KSamples/sec: 29934

 

Heavy Multitasking

179,372

Time:42.5483

 

System Score

186,031

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5.1 all cores run

 

 

Image Editing

216,765

Time:24.5796


 

Encoding

149,035

Time:35.7499


 

OpenCL

164,164

KSamples/sec: 30253


 

Heavy Multitasking

159,001

Time:47.9996


 

System Score

172,241

 

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2 minutes ago, KcNeedles said:

Asus Ai software.

Overclocking your CPU should always be through BIOS these automated software solutions are great for premature CPU death.

 

3 minutes ago, KcNeedles said:

Ran a few stress tests ;no thermal throttle, no power throttle.

What did you use to attest this? At least XTU?

 

4 minutes ago, KcNeedles said:

Yet when I set the BIOS to XMP 1 it actually benched higher. How is that possible?

You do know CPU and RAM are different parts of the PC and both can be overclocked individually right?

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So overclocking both the CPU and memory is faster than just the CPU, how surprising?

 

14 minutes ago, KcNeedles said:

I decided to attempt overclocking using the Asus Ai software

Perfect way to use dangerous amount of voltage in a CPU. It's not easy to get past 5GHz, you'll need an above average CPU.

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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Definitely don’t use software for OC’ing a CPU. Would recommend doing it via the bios. @KcNeedles

 

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Intel 

43 minutes ago, Princess Luna said:

Overclocking your CPU should always be through BIOS these automated software solutions are great for premature CPU death.

 

What did you use to attest this? At least XTU?

 

You do know CPU and RAM are different parts of the PC and both can be overclocked individually right?

1. Asus overclock is in the bios

2. Used intel's extreme benching tool to check for throttling

3. .... Fair.... 

 

So the auto overclocker is running the ram at default instead of the glorious 3200 it should be capable of... crap I wonder if I can keep using the AI while getting it to bump the ram up.

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5 minutes ago, KcNeedles said:

if I can keep using the AI while getting it to bump the AI up.

if you want stupid amounts of voltage to the CPU, go right ahead.

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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29 minutes ago, KcNeedles said:

Intel 

1. Asus overclock is in the bios

2. Used intel's extreme benching tool to check for throttling

3. .... Fair.... 

 

So the auto overclocker is running the ram at default instead of the glorious 3200 it should be capable of... crap I wonder if I can keep using the AI while getting it to bump the ram up.

When you say ‘ai’ do you mean a software program or in the bios?

 

5.1ghz seems quite high for a 9700k, and can’t imagine what voltage you are pushing. 

 

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4 minutes ago, Stormseeker9 said:

When you say ‘ai’ do you mean a software program or in the bios?

 

5.1ghz seems quite high for a 9700k, and can’t imagine what voltage you are pushing. 

In the Asus bios it has the option to overclock manually or to use their AI overclocker which will rate cooling performance then overclock accordingly.  Link below.

https://rog.asus.com/articles/overclocking/how-to-overclock-your-system-using-ai-overclocking/

 

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2 hours ago, KcNeedles said:

In the Asus bios it has the option to overclock manually or to use their AI overclocker which will rate cooling performance then overclock accordingly.  Link below.

https://rog.asus.com/articles/overclocking/how-to-overclock-your-system-using-ai-overclocking/

 

Okay, just wanted to check to be sure.

 

i would recommend doing manual OC. That way you at least also control voltage properly. 

 

I cant give you any values where to start, as I don’t have any experience with your cpu. What I have gathered tho is keeping it under 1.28/1.3V is preferable with intel cpus. 

 

MSI B450 Pro Gaming Pro Carbon AC | AMD Ryzen 2700x  | NZXT  Kraken X52  | MSI GeForce RTX2070 Armour | Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB (4*8) 3200MhZ | Samsung 970 evo M.2nvme 500GB Boot  / Samsung 860 evo 500GB SSD | Corsair RM550X (2018) | Fractal Design Meshify C white | Logitech G pro Wireless | Gigabyte Aurus AD27QD 

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Yeah, it seems there still are no good short cuts.  Either manual overclock everything or accept my current xmp performance.

 

Thanks yall

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