Recording with Shadowplay

[WesleyC]

I have been trying to hammer down my recording settings for recording games but I can't seem to figure anything out to fix what appears to be choppiness in videos when using shadowplay. 
I have tried several different bitrate options and I have disabled windows game bar and any extra overlays I have. Here is an example of what I am dealing with. I was recording to a ssd that houses my OS but it also occurs if I record to my hard drive. 

None of the choppiness was there while actually playing. I was playing at 1440p 144 fps while I recorded at 1080p 60fps 50k bitrate (also happened on lower bitrates)

Specs-

1070ti

ryzen 7 2700

16 gig 3000 ram

        

[kirashi]

14 minutes ago, WesleyC said:

I have been trying to hammer down my recording settings for recording games but I can't seem to figure anything out to fix what appears to be choppiness in videos when using shadowplay. 
I have tried several different bitrate options and I have disabled windows game bar and any extra overlays I have. Here is an example of what I am dealing with. I was recording to a ssd that houses my OS but it also occurs if I record to my hard drive. 

None of the choppiness was there while actually playing. I was playing at 1440p 144 fps while I recorded at 1080p 60fps 50k bitrate (also happened on lower bitrates       

I see no choppiness in this video, but then again, I don't play CS:GO so maybe someone who does can chime in.

[Jurrunio]

I call that the limitation of older NVENC (and I can see that before uploading to YT or anywhere else). I havent tested any Turing cards for this myself so cant commend on the new version.

 

Why would you need shadowplay when you're on a Ryzen 7 anyway? The strength for 8 core Ryzen is to stream without hurting much if at all gaming performance, especially CSGO when it cares about 2 cores only. Just use OBS with x264.

 

@Princess Luna that

[porina]

Can't see choppiness myself. I have two thoughts on what might be going on.

 

1, 60fps looks worse if you're used to 144fps

2, Assuming either vsync or g-sync are on, I've wondered how frames are captured when the display rate and capture rate are not integer multiples of each other. If it only picks the last complete frame, then there will be temporal jitter and that might explain choppiness. If this theory is right, then dropping the game rate to 120fps should fix that. I don't know if going from 144 to 120 will impact gameplay but it would be an interesting test.

[Jurrunio]

2 hours ago, porina said:

Can't see choppiness myself.

it's most noticeable when the camera spins around quickly near objects or a wall.

2 hours ago, porina said:

1, 60fps looks worse if you're used to 144fps

it does, but if that's the case any computer generated animation should look terrible (motion blur dont really work for me). In reality I can watch most gameplay footage recorded with OBS (x264) enjoyably. 

2 hours ago, porina said:

2, Assuming either vsync or g-sync are on, I've wondered how frames are captured when the display rate and capture rate are not integer multiples of each other. If it only picks the last complete frame, then there will be temporal jitter and that might explain choppiness. If this theory is right, then dropping the game rate to 120fps should fix that. I don't know if going from 144 to 120 will impact gameplay but it would be an interesting test.

It could be that, though now I wonder how OBS with x264 deal with bouncing frame rates. Does it apply some sort of frame interpolation as an educated guess on what it should fill into the recording based on two frames from the GPU?

[WesleyC]

I would like to thank everyone for their help and replies! 

@kirashi  

Thank you! 

 

@Jurrunio  

3 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

I call that the limitation of older NVENC (and I can see that before uploading to YT or anywhere else). I havent tested any Turing cards for this myself so cant commend on the new version.

 

Why would you need shadowplay when you're on a Ryzen 7 anyway? The strength for 8 core Ryzen is to stream without hurting much if at all gaming performance, especially CSGO when it cares about 2 cores only. Just use OBS with x264.

 

@Princess Luna that

Thank you for your response! I had obs downloaded but was disappointed when I also found that obs produced some of the same results after I played with the settings for several hours. I uninstalled it out of frustration. Can you recommend what settings to use in obs. I’m not sure what a lot of the settings do. 

 

@porina 

2 hours ago, porina said:

Can't see choppiness myself. I have two thoughts on what might be going on.

 

1, 60fps looks worse if you're used to 144fps

2, Assuming either vsync or g-sync are on, I've wondered how frames are captured when the display rate and capture rate are not integer multiples of each other. If it only picks the last complete frame, then there will be temporal jitter and that might explain choppiness. If this theory is right, then dropping the game rate to 120fps should fix that. I don't know if going from 144 to 120 will impact gameplay but it would be an interesting test.

Thank you for your response! I originally thought that the the FPS difference was the reason that 60 looked bad to my eyes- because I had been on 144fps and 144hz refresh rate. I watched some other 1080p csgo and mine always looked worse so I ruled that out. 

 

I like Ike your idea about changing the FPS to a multiple of the capture rate. I never thought of this being a potential issue! I will try it and let you know! If not, I’m hoping that jurrunio will help me out with some OBS settings. Feel free to respond with your thoughts on OBS settings if you want!

[Jurrunio]

7 hours ago, WesleyC said:

Thank you for your response! I had obs downloaded but was disappointed when I also found that obs produced some of the same results after I played with the settings for several hours. I uninstalled it out of frustration. Can you recommend what settings to use in obs. I’m not sure what a lot of the settings do. 

You can try this

 

Or even higher video bitrate as this is a recording, you can compress it further later on with much higher quality settings, say overnight. I myself have to use very fast encoder preset and lower recording quality even in CSGO since my CPU is a lot weaker

[WesleyC]

@Jurrunio  The settings are not working. I have tried many different variations of them testing one variable at a time. 

@porina The idea to change the fps did not work.

 

I'm not really sure where to go from here. I guess I can still record, but I will have to put up with this choppiness. Is it glaringly obvious? To me it is. My console video doesn't even look that bad. 

[WesleyC]

@Jurrunio and @porina

I thought y'all might like to hear this..   Originally during my tests I turned game bar off so it wouldn't interfere with my recordings. After several hours of testing I finally decided I would just try to use game bar to record my videos instead and it works without any problems....so I don't understand. Game bar works but obs and shadowplay don't? I would upload the file but it is too big. Any idea on why this happened? 

[Jurrunio]

4 hours ago, WesleyC said:

@Jurrunio and @porina

I thought y'all might like to hear this..   Originally during my tests I turned game bar off so it wouldn't interfere with my recordings. After several hours of testing I finally decided I would just try to use game bar to record my videos instead and it works without any problems....so I don't understand. Game bar works but obs and shadowplay don't? I would upload the file but it is too big. Any idea on why this happened? 

so it's still some OBC settings playing up  The way to program recording dont differ much, only the UI and default settings separate them apart

[WesleyC]

6 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

so it's still some OBC settings playing up  The way to program recording dont differ much, only the UI and default settings separate them apart

Yeah. The windows game bar was recording at 71 fps rather than targeting 60. So I wonder if obs was trying to record at 60 but constantly dipping. I will have to test later but I'm content to have smooth video using the windows game bar for now. I just wish I could record the audio track separate but that's ok for now xD.