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32 minutes ago, Drygur said:

 yes he has a GPU already and he's looking to spend $800-900

I aimed under your budget to show you a still good build for a budget minded expenditure

PCPartPicker Part List
Type Item Price
CPU AMD - Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7 GHz 8-Core Processor $292.89 @ OutletPC
Motherboard MSI - B450 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard $109.89 @ OutletPC
Memory Crucial - Ballistix Sport AT 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory $81.29 @ Newegg
Storage Samsung - 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive $79.99 @ Amazon
Case Corsair - Carbide SPEC-04 (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case $44.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply Corsair - CX (2017) 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply $39.99 @ Newegg
  Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts  
  Total (before mail-in rebates) $684.04
  Mail-in rebates -$35.00
  Total $649.04
  Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-05-02 19:18 EDT-0400  

You definitely won't be able to take advantage of the increased speeds of an NVMe drive in a gaming focused machine, so I opted for more capacity on a standard SATA SSD instead. I lowered the ram amount as well, even 8GB is suitable these days but 16GB is a very comfortable amount to have, and retained the 3200MHz speed. Better PSU than the B3, but not really by a ton. For as much as you were spending on the EVGA B3, you can get this if you wanted something really nice:

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zBfmP6/bitfenix-formula-gold-550w-80-gold-certified-atx-power-supply-bp-fm550ulag-7r

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I was putting together a PC for my friend he doesn't have a lot of money to spend so I was trying to keep it on the cheaper end. I've only ever built intel machines but I know Ryzen was performing really well so I tried to put an AMD build together. I think I read you need high frequency ram for Ryzen but I wasn't sure if I also need a lot of available memory 32gb v 16gb. So thought I'd ask here

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9N77V6

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24 minutes ago, Drygur said:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9N77V6

That's not a great build. What is your friend's PC intended to be used for (e.g. gaming, Chrome, video editing)?

 

Make sure to buy 3000 or 3200 MHz RAM for Ryzen, and go with a 16GB kit since 32GB is overkill for most people.

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Memory size isn't important. You're fine with 16gb if you're gaming. What matters for performance when it comes to ram is frequency and latency. You ideally want around 3000mhz at least with cl16 or lower. 3200mhz cl14 seems to be the best spot right now for Ryzen as it can't go any higher frequency anyways for the most part (You can get 3466 and maybe even 3600 on a very lucky day if you know what you're doing)

 

Also, change the psu. You can get so much better than that psu for the price (Changed to a far higher quality corsair rmx):

 

PCPartPicker Part List
Type Item Price
CPU AMD - Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7 GHz 8-Core Processor $292.89 @ OutletPC
Motherboard MSI - B450 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard $114.88 @ OutletPC
Memory G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory $175.98 @ Newegg
Storage Samsung - 970 Evo Plus 250 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive $67.99 @ Newegg
Case Corsair - Carbide SPEC-04 (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case $29.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply Corsair - RMx (2018) 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply $81.12 @ Amazon
  Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts  
  Total (before mail-in rebates) $797.85
  Mail-in rebates -$35.00
  Total $762.85
  Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-30 16:56 EDT-0400  

I don't know what your use case and budget is so...I'll just leave it at that and let the rest do the work.

 

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17 minutes ago, MeatFeastMan said:

Memory size isn't important. You're fine with 16gb if you're gaming. What matters for performance when it comes to ram is frequency and latency. You ideally want around 3000mhz at least with cl16 or lower. 3200mhz cl14 seems to be the best spot right now for Ryzen as it can't go any higher frequency anyways for the most part (You can get 3466 and maybe even 3600 on a very lucky day if you know what you're doing)

 

Also, change the psu. You can get so much better than that psu for the price (Changed to a far higher quality corsair rmx):

 

PCPartPicker Part List
Type Item Price
CPU AMD - Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7 GHz 8-Core Processor $292.89 @ OutletPC
Motherboard MSI - B450 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard $114.88 @ OutletPC
Memory G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory $175.98 @ Newegg
Storage Samsung - 970 Evo Plus 250 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive $67.99 @ Newegg
Case Corsair - Carbide SPEC-04 (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case $29.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply Corsair - RMx (2018) 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply $81.12 @ Amazon
  Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts  
  Total (before mail-in rebates) $797.85
  Mail-in rebates -$35.00
  Total $762.85
  Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-30 16:56 EDT-0400  

I don't know what your use case and budget is so...I'll just leave it at that and let the rest do the work.

 

Better 16GB, + 1TB mx500. 

But let’s await budget first :) 

 

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Its about $150 more, but you get a GPU added which unless your friend already has one I'm not sure how they are gonna have display.....

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($164.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI - B450 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($114.88 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial - MX500 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($69.95 @ Adorama)
Video Card: PowerColor - Radeon RX VEGA 56 8 GB Red Dragon Video Card  ($319.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair - Carbide SPEC-04 (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Cooler Master - MWE Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($74.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $859.28
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-30 20:48 EDT-0400

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600  Heatsink: ID-Cooling Frostflow X GPU: Zotac GTX 1060 Mini 6GB RAM: KLEVV Bolt 3600Mhz (2x8GB) Mobo: ASUS B550-F ROG Strix (Wifi)  Case: Fractal Design Meshify C PSU: Deepcool DQ-M-V2L

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On 4/30/2019 at 4:54 PM, r2724r16 said:

That's not a great build. What is your friend's PC intended to be used for (e.g. gaming, Chrome, video editing)?

 

Make sure to buy 3000 or 3200 MHz RAM for Ryzen, and go with a 16GB kit since 32GB is overkill for most people.

Yeah I wasn't sure if Ryzen just needed high frequency or a lot of RAM (16gb/32gb) wasn't sure if I could go down to 16gb

 

He wants to be able to run games and stream without lagging and he already has a GPU (GTX 970 I think) that he can always upgrade later.

 

On 4/30/2019 at 4:55 PM, Lurick said:

Does he have a GPU to use already?

What's the budget and use case?

 yes he has a GPU already and he's looking to spend $800-900

 

On 4/30/2019 at 4:57 PM, MeatFeastMan said:

Memory size isn't important. You're fine with 16gb if you're gaming. What matters for performance when it comes to ram is frequency and latency. You ideally want around 3000mhz at least with cl16 or lower. 3200mhz cl14 seems to be the best spot right now for Ryzen as it can't go any higher frequency anyways for the most part (You can get 3466 and maybe even 3600 on a very lucky day if you know what you're doing)

 

Also, change the psu. You can get so much better than that psu for the price (Changed to a far higher quality corsair rmx):

 

PCPartPicker Part List
Type Item Price
CPU AMD - Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7 GHz 8-Core Processor $292.89 @ OutletPC
Motherboard MSI - B450 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard $114.88 @ OutletPC
Memory G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory $175.98 @ Newegg
Storage Samsung - 970 Evo Plus 250 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive $67.99 @ Newegg
Case Corsair - Carbide SPEC-04 (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case $29.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply Corsair - RMx (2018) 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply $81.12 @ Amazon
  Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts  
  Total (before mail-in rebates) $797.85
  Mail-in rebates -$35.00
  Total $762.85
  Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-30 16:56 EDT-0400  

I don't know what your use case and budget is so...I'll just leave it at that and let the rest do the work.

 

Thanks, wasn't sure about the RAM which was my main concern and he is going to re use his current HDD so he just needs an SSD so I was just trying to get him a good boot drive he doesn't use much storage space. I'm really bad at choosing a good PSU option rather over shoot than under shoot

 

Also sorry for delayed responses

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12 minutes ago, Drygur said:

He wants to be able to run games and stream without lagging and he already has a GPU (GTX 970 I think) that he can always upgrade later.

 

 

1 minute ago, trevb0t said:

You still haven't answered what the computer is going to be used for.

Was a bit much maybe should have rehashed it somewhere mb

 

Gaming and Streaming

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32 minutes ago, Drygur said:

 yes he has a GPU already and he's looking to spend $800-900

I aimed under your budget to show you a still good build for a budget minded expenditure

PCPartPicker Part List
Type Item Price
CPU AMD - Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7 GHz 8-Core Processor $292.89 @ OutletPC
Motherboard MSI - B450 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard $109.89 @ OutletPC
Memory Crucial - Ballistix Sport AT 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory $81.29 @ Newegg
Storage Samsung - 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive $79.99 @ Amazon
Case Corsair - Carbide SPEC-04 (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case $44.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply Corsair - CX (2017) 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply $39.99 @ Newegg
  Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts  
  Total (before mail-in rebates) $684.04
  Mail-in rebates -$35.00
  Total $649.04
  Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-05-02 19:18 EDT-0400  

You definitely won't be able to take advantage of the increased speeds of an NVMe drive in a gaming focused machine, so I opted for more capacity on a standard SATA SSD instead. I lowered the ram amount as well, even 8GB is suitable these days but 16GB is a very comfortable amount to have, and retained the 3200MHz speed. Better PSU than the B3, but not really by a ton. For as much as you were spending on the EVGA B3, you can get this if you wanted something really nice:

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zBfmP6/bitfenix-formula-gold-550w-80-gold-certified-atx-power-supply-bp-fm550ulag-7r

Edited by fasauceome

I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B

 

Primary PC:

i7 8086k - EVGA Z370 Classified K - G.Skill Trident Z RGB - WD SN750 - Jedi Order Titan Xp - Hyper 212 Black (with RGB Riing flair) - EVGA G3 650W - dual booting Windows 11 and Fedora Linux - Black and green theme, Razer brainwashed me.

Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference.

 

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I did a build, and I made it beautiful black and white for kicks:

PCPartPicker Part List
Type Item Price
CPU AMD - Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7 GHz 8-Core Processor £274.29 @ Amazon UK
CPU Cooler be quiet! - Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler £64.49 @ Aria PC
Motherboard MSI - B450M MORTAR TITANIUM Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard £104.87 @ More Computers
Memory Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory £89.60 @ Amazon UK
Storage Samsung - 860 Evo 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive £125.00 @ Amazon UK
Case NZXT - H500 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case £69.98 @ Amazon UK
Power Supply Corsair - RMx 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply £74.99 @ AWD-IT
Case Fan ARCTIC - F14 Silent 46 CFM 140mm Fan £5.48 @ AWD-IT
Case Fan ARCTIC - F14 Silent 46 CFM 140mm Fan £5.48 @ AWD-IT
  Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts  
  Total £814.18
  Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-05-03 00:51 BST+0100  

 

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