Should I upgrade?

[B. Ash]

Hi

It's my first time here and I would like to ask for some advice whether I should upgrade from a haswell i3 pc to something newer.

 

My current pc's specs are:

i3 4170

Gigabyte H81M-S1 Rev 2.2

8gb DDR3 1600mhz

1tb Western Digital Blue

Generic 600w PSU

 

It's starting to have issue like:

-random freezing

-random disconnection of peripherals such as mouse, keyboard and other ps2 and usb devices

-sometimes fans ramp up to full speed on power on without POSTing

-random loss of power of the computer without notice

-random blue screens showing errors such as:

(I'm not sure about the correct terms to these)

INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE , KMODE_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED and other that I was not able to remember

-frequent thermal throttling even when PC is cleaned, themal paste is replaced and 2 120mm intake fans and 1 80mm exhaust fan (using stock intel heatsink)

 

I was looking into upgrading to something like Ryzen 3 2200G or Ryzen 5 2400G with at least 16gb ram, overclocking is not a priority for me since I'm still new to PC building and not knowledgable in overclocking.

 

The things I normally do are:

-web browsing

-some work in MS Office 2016

-some photo editing in Photoshop

-running a Windows 8 or XP VM for older apps

-coding in Visual Studio 2017, NetBeans, and Android Studio

-playing some emulated games of consoles like GameBoy Advance, Nintendo DS, PS1 and GameBoy

 

Why 16gb ram?

I find myself frequently maxing out 8gb ram when researching for things that I need to do.

 

If you have any other recommendations on what I should I upgrade to (if I should) please enlighten me.

 

Thanks.

[LukeSavenije]

9 minutes ago, B. Ash said:

Generic 600w PSU

ehm... can i be shocked?

 

what would your budget and country be?

[Adorable Cat]

3 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

shocked

nice

[Dedayog]

42 minutes ago, B. Ash said:

Hi

It's my first time here and I would like to ask for some advice whether I should upgrade from a haswell i3 pc to something newer.

 

My current pc's specs are:

i3 4170

Gigabyte H81M-S1 Rev 2.2

8gb DDR3 1600mhz

1tb Western Digital Blue

Generic 600w PSU

 

It's starting to have issue like:

-random freezing

-random disconnection of peripherals such as mouse, keyboard and other ps2 and usb devices

-sometimes fans ramp up to full speed on power on without POSTing

-random loss of power of the computer without notice

-random blue screens showing errors such as:

(I'm not sure about the correct terms to these)

INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE , KMODE_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED and other that I was not able to remember

-frequent thermal throttling even when PC is cleaned, themal paste is replaced and 2 120mm intake fans and 1 80mm exhaust fan (using stock intel heatsink)

 

I was looking into upgrading to something like Ryzen 3 2200G or Ryzen 5 2400G with at least 16gb ram, overclocking is not a priority for me since I'm still new to PC building and not knowledgable in overclocking.

 

The things I normally do are:

-web browsing

-some work in MS Office 2016

-some photo editing in Photoshop

-running a Windows 8 or XP VM for older apps

-coding in Visual Studio 2017, NetBeans, and Android Studio

-playing some emulated games of consoles like GameBoy Advance, Nintendo DS, PS1 and GameBoy

 

Why 16gb ram?

I find myself frequently maxing out 8gb ram when researching for things that I need to do.

 

If you have any other recommendations on what I should I upgrade to (if I should) please enlighten me.

 

Thanks.

If you have a Microcenter near you, grab the Ryzen 5 1600 and bundle a motherboard and 16GB RAM.  Add a cheap GPU and you've got a much better deal than a 2200g or 2400g setup.

 

If not, the 2400g is a good CPU with graphics built in.

 

If you can come up with more cash, you'll open up a lot more options with dedicated GPU's as well.

 

[Linker]

15 minutes ago, jstudrawa said:

If you have a Microcenter near you, grab the Ryzen 5 1600 and bundle a motherboard and 16GB RAM.  Add a cheap GPU and you've got a much better deal than a 2200g or 2400g setup.

 

If not, the 2400g is a good CPU with graphics built in.

 

If you can come up with more cash, you'll open up a lot more options with dedicated GPU's as well.

 

This.

Having 12 virtual cores to split between your host and guest machine is very nice.

It also comes with a pretty decent, and can overclock a little (if R5 1600), or a better-than-intel (if R5 2200-2600) stock cooler.

The main issue though would be buying all new ram, and a new motherboard.

Although b350/b450 motherboards can be found for <$65, and still have overclocking support (though still maybe not the best board to OC on...), and DDR4 ram is dropping in price every day.

[trevb0t]

The 2400G has been on great sales lately, and for an APU it's a great option. For your purposes it will be plenty powerful.

 

The 2200G would work fine, but since the price difference is minimal, and the 2400G has SMT, if you don't wanna front for discrete graphics you'd be a fool not to go this route.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 5 2400G 3.6 GHz Quad-Core Processor	$149.39 @ OutletPC
Motherboard	ASRock - B450M PRO4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$79.89 @ OutletPC
Memory	G.Skill - Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory	$74.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply	Corsair - CX (2017) 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply	$38.96 @ Newegg
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$378.23
	Mail-in rebates	-$35.00
	Total	$343.23
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-05 09:30 EDT-0400

Reuse your drives and your case (or a new case is around $35-40 on the low end.) This would put you in a solid spot for now and if in the future you wanted a reasonably powerful GPU it would pair well.

 

[B. Ash]

Sorry for the late reply.

I'm from the Philippines, so Microcenter is not an option for me.

About the budget my upper limit would robably be around $300, so I'm doubting my idea of going a Ryzen APU whether it would fit within the budget.

I would probably shoot for around 8gb ram to lessen the initial cost, since a 2 sticks of DDR4 ram at 2666mhz is around $75 on my area.

I think my minimum for cores would be 4 cores.

I think that going for a build that would last me at least 3 years would be good.

A dedicated GPU is not really necessary for me in my opinion.

Used parts at my area are mostly Core 2 Duos, A4s and A6s and the pricing is bad in my opinion like a Core 2 Duo pc with a 160gb hdd and 4gb ram is around $200.

New parts are around $10~$50 higher than prices at North America, but some are almost exactly the same price.

 

I'm open for other options on parts.

 

Probably the things I need to get are:

Processor, Ram, Motherboard, PSU

 

I'm not rushing my decision on this since I still have to save up for it.

 

I appreciate the responses.

[trevb0t]

57 minutes ago, jstudrawa said:

Grab the Ryzen 5 1600 and bundle a motherboard and 16GB RAM.  Add a cheap GPU and you've got a much better deal than a 2200g or 2400g setup.

This is also good advice. You could certainly find a used RX 470/570, GTX 970, R9 290 or so for around $75-100 and it would put this machine into a higher class for not a whole lot more.

 

On the reasonably powerful lower end, a used R9 270X or 280X is usually around or less than $40 used and would do just fine for light gaming and photo editing as well.

[LukeSavenije]

2 minutes ago, B. Ash said:

Core 2 Duo pc with a 160gb hdd and 4gb ram is around $200.

that's way too high...

 

how much would this cost you?

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 3 2200G 3.5 GHz Quad-Core Processor	$99.57 @ Amazon
Motherboard	ASRock - B450M PRO4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$79.89 @ OutletPC
Memory	G.Skill - FORTIS 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2400 Memory	$74.99 @ Newegg Business
Storage	Crucial - BX500 120 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$21.99 @ Amazon
Case	Thermaltake - Versa H15 MicroATX Mid Tower Case	$34.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply	Corsair - CX (2017) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply	$39.98 @ Newegg
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$381.41
	Mail-in rebates	-$30.00
	Total	$351.41
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-05 09:39 EDT-0400

 

[trevb0t]

6 minutes ago, B. Ash said:

Sorry for the late reply.

I'm from the Philippines, so Microcenter is not an option for me.

About the budget my upper limit would robably be around $300, so I'm doubting my idea of going a Ryzen APU whether it would fit within the budget.

I would probably shoot for around 8gb ram to lessen the initial cost, since a 2 sticks of DDR4 ram at 2666mhz is around $75 on my area.

I think my minimum for cores would be 4 cores.

I think that going for a build that would last me at least 3 years would be good.

A dedicated GPU is not really necessary for me in my opinion.

Used parts at my area are mostly Core 2 Duos, A4s and A6s and the pricing is bad in my opinion like a Core 2 Duo pc with a 160gb hdd and 4gb ram is around $200.

New parts are around $10~$50 higher than prices at North America, but some are almost exactly the same price.

 

I'm open for other options on parts.

 

Probably the things I need to get are:

Processor, Ram, Motherboard, PSU

 

I'm not rushing my decision on this since I still have to save up for it.

 

I appreciate the responses.

I'm all about building and using budget parts that deliver at low cost, but if your budget is low and the local market sucks, check this out:

https://www.newegg.com/global/ph-en/Product/Product.aspx?Item=1VK-0001-30310

 

That translates to a bit less than $300 USD. You don't have to buy the Newegg one at this price, but really it's a very solid piece for budget hardware. You could look around your local scene and see if anybody is getting rid of this model for a savings. (or hey, refurbished isn't a bad option if you want it now with some assurance behind it.)

[B. Ash]

6 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

that's way too high...

 

how much would this cost you?

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 3 2200G 3.5 GHz Quad-Core Processor	$99.57 @ Amazon
Motherboard	ASRock - B450M PRO4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$79.89 @ OutletPC
Memory	G.Skill - FORTIS 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2400 Memory	$74.99 @ Newegg Business
Storage	Crucial - BX500 120 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$21.99 @ Amazon
Case	Thermaltake - Versa H15 MicroATX Mid Tower Case	$34.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply	Corsair - CX (2017) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply	$39.98 @ Newegg
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$381.41
	Mail-in rebates	-$30.00
	Total	$351.41
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-05 09:39 EDT-0400

A B450 motherboard is around $130.

A 80+ Bronze or higher tier 80+ power supply is not available at my area. The next best thing that I found was a Corsair VS 450 for around $45.

A 2x4gb kit of Balistix DDR4 ram at 2666mhz is around $70.

Ryzen 3 2200G are mostly sold as bundles but if just the Ryzen 3 2200G is around $110.

The bundles are mostly A320 boards and a Ryzen 3 2200G. Which are around $180.

A SSD is not really a priority for me but it could help. A case is not necessary since I would just reuse my the case of my current pc.

[B. Ash]

9 minutes ago, trevb0t said:

I'm all about building and using budget parts that deliver at low cost, but if your budget is low and the local market sucks, check this out:

https://www.newegg.com/global/ph-en/Product/Product.aspx?Item=1VK-0001-30310

 

That translates to a bit less than $300 USD. You don't have to buy the Newegg one at this price, but really it's a very solid piece for budget hardware. You could look around your local scene and see if anybody is getting rid of this model for a savings. (or hey, refurbished isn't a bad option if you want it now with some assurance behind it.)

I considered a refurbished one but refurbushed computers are not available in my area, but thanks for the thought.

[B. Ash]

I saw a listing for a Ryzen 3 2200G and a Gigabyte B450M DS3H motherboard with 4 DIMM slots bundle for nearly $200 is that price just fine?

[LukeSavenije]

4 minutes ago, B. Ash said:

A320 boards

any b450's? and if so, which ones?

[LukeSavenije]

and btw, what about x370's?

[B. Ash]

Just now, LukeSavenije said:

and btw, what about x370's?

X370s are not available here in my area.

[LukeSavenije]

Just now, B. Ash said:

X370s are not available here in my area.

and those b450 bundles, what mobo's?

[trevb0t]

Here is a list I made using newegg Phillepines. It's a little over $300 but not too much.

 

https://secure.newegg.com/global/ph-en/Shopping/ShoppingCart.aspx?submit=view

[LukeSavenije]

1 minute ago, trevb0t said:

Here is a list I made using newegg Phillepines. It's a little over $300 but not too much.

 

https://secure.newegg.com/global/ph-en/Shopping/ShoppingCart.aspx?submit=view

i can't see it...

[B. Ash]

So far these are what I found

Ryzen 3 2200G with a Gigabyte B450M DS3H motherboard for ~$190

Ballistix Sport LT 2x4GB kit for ~$70

Corsair VS450 for ~$40

More or less ~$300

I already have a Case and Hard Drive.

Is this build alright?

[trevb0t]

2 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

i can't see it...

Whoops...

 

https://www.newegg.com/global/ph-en/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157843&ignorebbr=1

https://www.newegg.com/global/ph-en/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231890&ignorebbr=1

https://www.newegg.com/global/ph-en/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113481&ignorebbr=1

https://www.newegg.com/global/ph-en/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA6ZP6CV7765&ignorebbr=1

 

Total shows ₱18,781.62 for me after shipping, but I'm in the US. So it's an estimate just using Philippines newegg.

[LukeSavenije]

1 minute ago, trevb0t said:

Whoops...

 

https://www.newegg.com/global/ph-en/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157843&ignorebbr=1

https://www.newegg.com/global/ph-en/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231890&ignorebbr=1

https://www.newegg.com/global/ph-en/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113481&ignorebbr=1

https://www.newegg.com/global/ph-en/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA6ZP6CV7765&ignorebbr=1

 

Total shows ₱18,781.62 for me after shipping, but I'm in the US. So it's an estimate just using Philippines newegg.

it shows the us website for me...

[LukeSavenije]

2 minutes ago, B. Ash said:

Corsair VS450 for ~$40

meh... how much would a cx 2017 or cxm 2015 cost you?

2 minutes ago, B. Ash said:

Gigabyte B450M DS3H

not good for the better amd chips, but sufficient for your case

 

3 minutes ago, B. Ash said:

Ballistix Sport LT 2x4GB kit for ~$70

speed and latency?

[B. Ash]

9 minutes ago, B. Ash said:

So far these are what I found

Ryzen 3 2200G with a Gigabyte B450M DS3H motherboard for ~$190

Ballistix Sport LT 2x4GB kit for ~$70

Corsair VS450 for ~$40

More or less ~$300

I already have a Case and Hard Drive.

Is this build alright?

Aside from the Ryzen 3 2200G and B450 motherboard the other parts are ones that I could probably get here locally.

I would prefer to get them locally.

For the prices of a Ryzen 3 2200G and an AM4 motherboard (I'll check for a B450 or something similar) I'll have to check the prices of the local stores in my area in the morning.

[B. Ash]

4 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

meh... how much would a cx 2017 or cxm 2015 cost you?

not good for the better amd chips, but sufficient for your case

 

speed and latency?

A CX or CXM is not available here.

Corsair is the only bigger brand that's available here and the model that are available are VS450 and VS650.

The speed is 2666mhz. Latency not sure if this is the one

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