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Heya there dear linus forum users :)

 

First of all, my setup:

 

Core i7-7700k @ 5ghz with h115i

GTX 1070 Ti overclocked to a ~1080 perfomanance

16 GB (2x8) of RAMulio @ 2.3 mhz stock, i think (can't overclock to 3 mhz for some reason)

ASUS z270e board

 

to top it all out i have an ASUS PG 1080p 180 hz monitor.

 

You guessed it i'm a 1080p competitive gamer pleb, so here is my problem.

 

Currently i'm mostly playing Apex Legends, trying to see the light in the pro scene and such. I'm having around 180-200 fps (well, had, until they locked everyone to 144) when i'm not streaming but once i turn this god damn OBS and start streaming i'm all of a sudden having frame drops to around 100-130's from time to time. I'm streaming with NVENC at 720p60 with 5k bitrate and i have my game running at almost lowest settings possible (next step would be making it look like CS 1.5), so i wondered what could i upgrade.

Notice that these drops happen only when i stream and streaming is kind of crucial for me in general.

 

I thought about the 9900k but.. everyone shits on it. 2080 ti is an overkill. Thought about getting a 1080 ti but it's so hard to get in germany (i don't want to buy used)

What could i do? Is there any way that my RAM somehow limits/bottlenecks my CPU or something. It feels like i'm supposed to squeeze more out of my 7700k than this.

I have a friend that has basically same rig as me (7700k stock, gtx 1080) and he has better time streaming than me. He sits generally at lower FPS than i am but it seems to be much more stable without those huge drops (he has a 144hz monitor).

Could it be my 5hz overclock that's.. not good? or is my CPU perfomanance slowly dying (it has been on 5ghz for 2 years now) - ~8hr everyday usage.

I also thought about the new Ryzen chips but.. man the clock speeds are just not there and god damn Intel has nothing else upgradeworthy exclude the 9900k.

 

Side question: Does only the RTX series has this new NVENC x265 codec that's basically like traditional CPU's x264 or is it also available for my 1070 ti (i've seen it in OBS options available for me)

 

 

Thank you for reading my mess.

 

P.S. I hope i posted it in the right section, couldn't really decide.

P.S.S. I'm really leaning towards 2080 Ti, because pricewise a decent upgrade to 9900k with 500 Euro motherboard and 32 gigs of 3mhz+ RAM is basically the 2080 ti. The question is - is this the right decision?

 

 

 

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You should really use a streaming PC for the streaming from the main gaming PC.

Building such a PC (let's say mid-range or even used parts) would cost you a lot less than upgrading the CPU, motherboard and graphics card.

 

The RTX cards and the GTX 16x0 series have the new improved NVENC. Your 1070Ti has the older variant.

M.S.C.E. (M.Sc. Computer Engineering), IT specialist in a hospital, 30+ years of gaming, 20+ years of computer enthusiasm, Geek, Trekkie, anime fan

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  • Networking: Asus TUF Gaming AX6000 - Arcadyan ISP router - 35/5 Mbps vDSL
  • TV and gadgets: TCL 50EP680 50" 4K LED + Sharp HT-SB100 75W RMS soundbar - Samsung Galaxy Tab A8 10.1" - OnePlus 9 256GB - Olymous Cameda C-160 - GameBoy Color 
  • Streaming/Server/Storage PC: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 - LC-Power LC-CC-120 - MSI B450 Tomahawk Max - 2x4GB ADATA 2666 DDR4 - 120GB Kingston V300 - Toshiba DT01ACA100 1TB - Toshiba DT01ACA200 2TB - 2x WD Green 2TB - Sapphire Pulse AMD Radeon R9 380X - 550W EVGA G3 SuperNova - Chieftec Giga DF-01B - White Shark Spartan X keyboard - Roccat Kone Pure Military Desert strike - Logitech S-220 - Philips 226L
  • Livingroom PC (dad uses): AMD FX 8300 - Arctic Freezer 64 - Asus M5A97 R2.0 Evo - 2x4GB DDR3 1833 Kingston - MSI Radeon HD 7770 1GB OC - 120GB Adata SSD - 500W Fractal Design Essence - DVD-RW - Samsung SM 2253BW - Logitech G710+ - wireless vertical mouse - MS 2.0 speakers
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13 minutes ago, 191x7 said:

You should really use a streaming PC for the streaming from the main gaming PC.

Building such a PC (let's say mid-range or even used parts) would cost you a lot less than upgrading the CPU, motherboard and graphics card.

 

The RTX cards and the GTX 16x0 series have the new improved NVENC. Your 1070Ti has the older variant.

Yeah, i've been suggested that before but.. i really preffer the "all in one" build so to say. Logically thinking, by buying the 2080 Ti it's going to be a huge, future proof perfomanance boost and if i've read it correctly, streaming-wise it's also much much better on the card. One person that i know has 2080 ti and he streams with it - lower bitrate, better quality and no fps drops/any noticable load on the card. Stream/no stream same perfomanance - that's exactly what i want.

Feels like i want an RTX card simply because of it's encoding feature

 

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If you cpu has been degrading your performance will not drop. You will just need more voltage per clock speed. (Never add more voltage if it has degraded, decrease clock)

What symptoms does a degrading CPU have?

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2 hours ago, DEVVY said:

2080 Ti blah blah

 

To run the 2080Ti nicely you'd need a stronger CPU. That means a new CPU, motherboard and if you want the GPU.

 

A friend of mine who alos streams Battlefield V switched from a 1070 to na RTX 2060 because he got a good deal on the 1070 and a huge discount on the 2060 and he wanted Ray Tracing and the new NVENC. He had the i7 6700K. The stream performance did not improve, not noticably.

Then he switched to Ryzen 2700 so he could upgrade to Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) in about a year. THAT improved his streaming performance a lot.

Just gaming = almost no performance boost over the 6700K; Gaming+Streaming a huge boost in game performance and stream performance compared to 6700K.

M.S.C.E. (M.Sc. Computer Engineering), IT specialist in a hospital, 30+ years of gaming, 20+ years of computer enthusiasm, Geek, Trekkie, anime fan

  • Main PC: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D - EK AIO 360 D-RGB - Arctic Cooling MX-4 - Asus Prime X570-P - 4x8GB DDR4 3200 HyperX Fury CL16 - Sapphire AMD Radeon 6950XT Nitro+ - 1TB Kingston Fury Renegade - 2TB Kingston Fury Renegade - 512GB ADATA SU800 - 960GB Kingston A400 - Seasonic PX-850 850W  - custom black ATX and EPS cables - Fractal Design Define R5 Blackout - Windows 11 x64 23H2 - 3 Arctic Cooling P14 PWM PST - 5 Arctic Cooling P12 PWM PST
  • Peripherals: LG 32GK650F - Dell P2319h - Logitech G Pro X Superlight with Tiger Ice - HyperX Alloy Origins Core (TKL) - EndGame Gear MPC890 - Genius HF 1250B - Akliam PD4 - Sennheiser HD 560s - Simgot EM6L - Truthear Zero - QKZ x HBB - 7Hz Salnotes Zero - Logitech C270 - Behringer PS400 - BM700  - Colormunki Smile - Speedlink Torid - Jysk Stenderup - LG 24x External DVD writer - Konig smart card reader
  • Laptop: Acer E5–575G-386R 15.6" 1080p (i3 6100U + 12GB DDR4 (4GB+8GB) + GeForce 940MX + 256GB nVME) Win 10 Pro x64 22H2 - Logitech G305 + AAA Lithium battery
  • Networking: Asus TUF Gaming AX6000 - Arcadyan ISP router - 35/5 Mbps vDSL
  • TV and gadgets: TCL 50EP680 50" 4K LED + Sharp HT-SB100 75W RMS soundbar - Samsung Galaxy Tab A8 10.1" - OnePlus 9 256GB - Olymous Cameda C-160 - GameBoy Color 
  • Streaming/Server/Storage PC: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 - LC-Power LC-CC-120 - MSI B450 Tomahawk Max - 2x4GB ADATA 2666 DDR4 - 120GB Kingston V300 - Toshiba DT01ACA100 1TB - Toshiba DT01ACA200 2TB - 2x WD Green 2TB - Sapphire Pulse AMD Radeon R9 380X - 550W EVGA G3 SuperNova - Chieftec Giga DF-01B - White Shark Spartan X keyboard - Roccat Kone Pure Military Desert strike - Logitech S-220 - Philips 226L
  • Livingroom PC (dad uses): AMD FX 8300 - Arctic Freezer 64 - Asus M5A97 R2.0 Evo - 2x4GB DDR3 1833 Kingston - MSI Radeon HD 7770 1GB OC - 120GB Adata SSD - 500W Fractal Design Essence - DVD-RW - Samsung SM 2253BW - Logitech G710+ - wireless vertical mouse - MS 2.0 speakers
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2 hours ago, 191x7 said:

To run the 2080Ti nicely you'd need a stronger CPU. That means a new CPU, motherboard and if you want the GPU.

 

A friend of mine who alos streams Battlefield V switched from a 1070 to na RTX 2060 because he got a good deal on the 1070 and a huge discount on the 2060 and he wanted Ray Tracing and the new NVENC. He had the i7 6700K. The stream performance did not improve, not noticably.

Then he switched to Ryzen 2700 so he could upgrade to Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) in about a year. THAT improved his streaming performance a lot.

Just gaming = almost no performance boost over the 6700K; Gaming+Streaming a huge boost in game performance and stream performance compared to 6700K.

I did upgrade from 6700k to a 7700k my self and to be fair 7700k does the job better, especially overclocked. The reason why i don't want to upgrade my CPU so bad is because 9900k is a joke and i will legit never switch to ryzen since they're garbo when it comes to pushing high FPS and i'm not a god damn guy who works in Cinema4D 24/7 on a daily basis, so i prefer core speed over core amount. As i mentioned before, an upgrade with 9900k, if i would do it, would cost me same amount as msi 2080ti x trio and since the rumored gen 3 ryzen is "soo goooood" intel will have to do smth about their pricing, so i would rather wait. "He is a dumb intel fanboi" you might say to what i would answer no i'm not. So far the shittiest experience i've had was with AMD - never again.

I'm ok with not squizing every single bit of perfomanance out of 2080 ti, it's still ~80% boost and even if i'll only get the 60% out of it i'm still ok.

And i'm sorry but i'm so in doubt that the ryzen 2700, even overclocked will give you a better perfomanance. It's a ryzen chip with 3.2-3.6?? ghz? No way it does a job better than the 7700k at 5ghz unless MAYBE you're playing Battlefield V at 4k with that 2080ti and even then..

 

I think i'll just underclock my CPU a bit and think about the 2080 ti.

You have another option when it comes  to upgrading, as of now?

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You best upgrade bet for 1080P would be RTX 2080 and 9700K or better yet the 9900K.

 

The only ones who don't like the 9900K are the ones who can't afford them and or are too cheap to buy them. ;)

 

 

i9 9900K @ 5.0 GHz, NH D15, 32 GB DDR4 3200 GSKILL Trident Z RGB, AORUS Z390 MASTER, EVGA RTX 3080 FTW3 Ultra, Samsung 970 EVO Plus 500GB, Samsung 860 EVO 1TB, Samsung 860 EVO 500GB, ASUS ROG Swift PG279Q 27", Steel Series APEX PRO, Logitech Gaming Pro Mouse, CM Master Case 5, Corsair AXI 1600W Titanium. 

 

i7 8086K, AORUS Z370 Gaming 5, 16GB GSKILL RJV DDR4 3200, EVGA 2080TI FTW3 Ultra, Samsung 970 EVO 250GB, (2)SAMSUNG 860 EVO 500 GB, Acer Predator XB1 XB271HU, Corsair HXI 850W.

 

i7 8700K, AORUS Z370 Ultra Gaming, 16GB DDR4 3000, EVGA 1080Ti FTW3 Ultra, Samsung 960 EVO 250GB, Corsair HX 850W.

 

 

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16 hours ago, Ankerson said:

You best upgrade bet for 1080P would be RTX 2080 and 9700K or better yet the 9900K.

 

The only ones who don't like the 9900K are the ones who can't afford them and or are too cheap to buy them. ;)

 

 

In this case i would straight go to 9900k but is it worth to wait for another few months till the ryzen gen 3 comes out? Any chances intel will lower its prices? ?

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5 hours ago, DEVVY said:

In this case i would straight go to 9900k but is it worth to wait for another few months till the ryzen gen 3 comes out? Any chances intel will lower its prices? ?

 

My thoughts on the new RYZEN are I doubt it, but you never know AMD could get lucky.

 

As far as prices go, nobody knows.

i9 9900K @ 5.0 GHz, NH D15, 32 GB DDR4 3200 GSKILL Trident Z RGB, AORUS Z390 MASTER, EVGA RTX 3080 FTW3 Ultra, Samsung 970 EVO Plus 500GB, Samsung 860 EVO 1TB, Samsung 860 EVO 500GB, ASUS ROG Swift PG279Q 27", Steel Series APEX PRO, Logitech Gaming Pro Mouse, CM Master Case 5, Corsair AXI 1600W Titanium. 

 

i7 8086K, AORUS Z370 Gaming 5, 16GB GSKILL RJV DDR4 3200, EVGA 2080TI FTW3 Ultra, Samsung 970 EVO 250GB, (2)SAMSUNG 860 EVO 500 GB, Acer Predator XB1 XB271HU, Corsair HXI 850W.

 

i7 8700K, AORUS Z370 Ultra Gaming, 16GB DDR4 3000, EVGA 1080Ti FTW3 Ultra, Samsung 960 EVO 250GB, Corsair HX 850W.

 

 

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