General ryzen questions

[bubnu]

Right now I got a rx 570 4gb with an old i3.

So I have several question regarding zen processors.

First, I was wondering how much would a better mobo affect my ram oc if I plan to get something like 3000mhz cl 16/ 3000mhz cl 15 (hynix chips) and overclock/ fine-tune it. The boards I have in mind are b450 mortar from msi, ab350m pro4 and b450 hdv(this one also has only 2 ram slots) from asrock.

Second, still regarding ram overclocking/ tuning, how much better would a second gen ryzen oc the same ram modules as listed above(3000 cl 16/3000 cl 15) compared to a first gen ryzen(asking because ryzen 3 1200 is 25$ cheaper here than the 2200g).

Third question: how much better does second gen ryzen oc compared to the first one? So what frequency would a 1200 run compared to the 2200g when both would be oc'd at the same voltage, and lets assume they are similar quality in terms of silicon.

Last but not least, would it be worth it to get the 2600 if I plan to upgrade my gpu in 4 years? I just cant figure how cpus will age now since amd entered the battle again.

I know zen 2 is around the corner and that's why I'm trying to clear all my questions regarding first and second gen ryzen, so I can make a simple, clear decision when third gen ryzen is launched.

 

[KarathKasun]

I had a MSI B350 Gaming mATX/R5 1400 that could push DDR4 2133 memory to 3200, but it had only two memory slots which helps memory OCs in a massive way on 1st gen Ryzen.

 

2200g is the same as 1200, it is still a first gen design.

 

1600 to 2600 usually gets you maybe... 200mhz or so higher max OC, I think?

 

Zen 2 is looking like a whole new ball game.  Rumors have boost clock in the 4.7 to 5.1ghz range.  Supposedly the R3 will also be 6 cores.

[Sakkura]

Just now, KarathKasun said:

2200g is the same as 1200, it is still a first gen design.

At least the CPU cores. I think they tweaked the memory controller though, which makes things a little complicated for these questions.

[KarathKasun]

Just now, Sakkura said:

At least the CPU cores. I think they tweaked the memory controller though, which makes things a little complicated for these questions.

Nope, its 100% 1st gen.  It got pushed back due to firmware problems from what I recall, which was tied to Ryzens poor memory support on launch.

[Fasauceome]

9 minutes ago, KarathKasun said:

Nope, its 100% 1st gen.  It got pushed back due to firmware problems from what I recall, which was tied to Ryzens poor memory support on launch.

One key difference, the G series doesn't use solder for the IHS. Strange distinction I know.

[KarathKasun]

16 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

One key difference, the G series doesn't use solder for the IHS. Strange distinction I know.

Likely due to the different thermal density of the GPU/CPU portions, and to keep it cheaper to make.