Server Build

[AKinsey2468]

Heeeeelo smart forum people-

I currently have a 4TB seagate HDD in my primary build, wanna get another and RAID NAS it so I can access it with my laptop also. I want to build it my self though instead of buying a "home nas" or something like that. Any recommendations for an under 200 USD build? Would be helpful if case was included. 

 

Thanks

[BLLDoesTech]

1. Get some good hard disks

2. Get a good PSU

3. Have a boot SSD

 

the rest of the parts don't really matter too much

just make sure you have a quad core w/ 8 GB of RAM

 

google "used desktop system" and find one with a quad core and 8GB RAM

 

 

OS wise I don't know anything but FreeNAS, which is what I'm using

[LukeSavenije]

something like a old compaq or something should do, that's how i work

[AKinsey2468]

32 minutes ago, BLLDoesTech said:

1. Get some good hard disks

 2. Get a good PSU

3. Have a boot SSD

 

the rest of the parts don't really matter too much

 just make sure you have a quad core w/ 8 GB of RAM

  

google "used desktop system" and find one with a quad core and 8GB RAM

 

 

OS wise I don't know anything but FreeNAS, which is what I'm using

Would you go i3-8100/7100 or like a Pentium G4560 or something like that

[brob]

1 hour ago, AKinsey2468 said:

Heeeeelo smart forum people-

I currently have a 4TB seagate HDD in my primary build, wanna get another and RAID NAS it so I can access it with my laptop also. I want to build it my self though instead of buying a "home nas" or something like that. Any recommendations for an under 200 USD build? Would be helpful if case was included. 

 

Thanks

 

No need for another box. Put a RAID 1 array in your primary pc and use a Windows share. Ideally you would get two hdd designed for RAID arrays, e.g. Seagate Ironwolf, WD Red, HGST Deskstar NAS.

[BLLDoesTech]

57 minutes ago, AKinsey2468 said:

Would you go i3-8100/7100 or like a Pentium G4560 or something like that

A Pentium would be just fine

[AKinsey2468]

3 hours ago, brob said:

use a Windows share

Will consider. Want to make it bigger in the future though  and woulf prefer a big case

3 hours ago, BLLDoesTech said:

A Pentium would be just fine

Thanks for the reccomendation. Which pentium/celeron  or (maybe even an Athlon on the AMD side? (although I would prefer intel))

should I go with?

3 hours ago, brob said:

 

Put a RAID 1 array

Got it. I would prefer to maximize storage space, (RAID 0) or is redundancy in addition important (RAID 5). Or should I just go crazy and RAID 01/10?

[AKinsey2468]

1 minute ago, AKinsey2468 said:

Got it. I would prefer to maximize storage space, (RAID 0) or is redundancy in addition important (RAID 5). Or should I just go crazy and RAID 01/10?

@brob

Raid levels drives me CRAZY

even though I can understand this nonsense:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flip-flop_(electronics)#Toggle_flip-flops_(T_flip-flops)

 

Even the smallest snippet of

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nested_RAID_levels

drives me crazy

[KarathKasun]

5 minutes ago, AKinsey2468 said:

@brob

Raid levels drives me CRAZY

even though I can understand this nonsense:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flip-flop_(electronics)#Toggle_flip-flops_(T_flip-flops)

 

Even the smallest snippet of

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nested_RAID_levels

drives me crazy

RAID is outdated, you should be going with something like BTRFS or ZFS to handle drive arrays.

[AKinsey2468]

Just now, KarathKasun said:

RAID is outdated, you should be going with something like BTRFS or ZFS to handle drive arrays.

Yeah, like Gluster and ZFS in petabyte proj.

 

Will consider, but RAID seems like a decent option

 

 

[KarathKasun]

Just now, AKinsey2468 said:

Yeah, like Gluster and ZFS in petabyte proj.

 

Will consider, but RAID seems like a decent option

 

 

RAID is not really a decent option anymore.  You have to wipe the array if you ever add space to it in the future.

[AKinsey2468]

Just now, KarathKasun said:

RAID is not really a decent option anymore.  You have to wipe the array if you ever add space to it in the future.

Good point...

[AKinsey2468]

Can't really make a backup of that on to my 4GB usb drive

[Razor Blade]

3 minutes ago, KarathKasun said:

RAID is not really a decent option anymore.  You have to wipe the array if you ever add space to it in the future.

You can with software RAID. Microsoft's storage spaces or even in Windows 10's disk management for example.

[KarathKasun]

Just now, Razor Blade said:

You can with software RAID. Microsoft's storage spaces for example.

That is not really RAID, that is a MS implementation of something like ZFS.

[AKinsey2468]

Just now, Razor Blade said:

You can with software RAID. Microsoft's storage spaces for example.

also GP (<--- means good point if I just made that up)

[AKinsey2468]

1 minute ago, KarathKasun said:

That is not really RAID, that is a MS implementation of something like ZFS.

Yeah, they call it by RAID protocols, etc. Striping, 

but isn't really RAID

[Razor Blade]

1 minute ago, KarathKasun said:

That is not really RAID, that is a MS implementation of something like ZFS.

I dunno... it's called RAID in disk management and Microsoft refers to RAID when explaining what storage spaces are...

" Storage Spaces. Storage Spaces provides fault tolerance to virtual "disks" using mirroring, erasure coding, or both. You can think of it as distributed, software-defined RAID using the drives in the pool. In Storage Spaces Direct, these virtual disks typically have resiliency to two simultaneous drive or server failures (e.g. 3-way mirroring, with each data copy in a different server) though chassis and rack fault tolerance is also available. "

(https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/storage/storage-spaces/storage-spaces-direct-overview)

[KarathKasun]

1 minute ago, Razor Blade said:

I dunno... it's called RAID in disk management and Microsoft refers to RAID when explaining what storage spaces are...

" Storage Spaces. Storage Spaces provides fault tolerance to virtual "disks" using mirroring, erasure coding, or both. You can think of it as distributed, software-defined RAID using the drives in the pool. In Storage Spaces Direct, these virtual disks typically have resiliency to two simultaneous drive or server failures (e.g. 3-way mirroring, with each data copy in a different server) though chassis and rack fault tolerance is also available. "

(https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/storage/storage-spaces/storage-spaces-direct-overview)

This is exactly how you explain ZFS/BTRFS/GlusterFS to tech people who are not up with the current standards.

[AKinsey2468]

1 minute ago, Razor Blade said:

I dunno... it's called RAID in disk management and Microsoft refers to RAID when explaining what storage spaces are...

 " Storage Spaces. Storage Spaces provides fault tolerance to virtual "disks" using mirroring, erasure coding, or both. You can think of it as distributed, software-defined RAID using the drives in the pool. In Storage Spaces Direct, these virtual disks typically have resiliency to two simultaneous drive or server failures (e.g. 3-way mirroring, with each data copy in a different server) though chassis and rack fault tolerance is also available. "

 (https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/storage/storage-spaces/storage-spaces-direct-overview)

Odd. Will check it out more. Sry if I was wrong... (NAAH I DONT CARE I HAVE NO CONSCIENCE) (wait... I thought I was a nice person...) somebody sedate me now pls

[KarathKasun]

Just now, AKinsey2468 said:

Odd. Will check it out more. Sry if I was wrong... (NAAH I DONT CARE I HAVE NO CONSCIENCE) (wait... I thought I was a nice person...) somebody sedate me now pls

No, you were right.

 

They just explain its functionality in the terms of the tech it replaces.

[Razor Blade]

8 minutes ago, KarathKasun said:

This is exactly how you explain ZFS to tech people who are not up with the current standards.

RAID is a way of making a virtual disk from physical disks. It isn't a file system.

 

EDIT: clarifying RAID isn't the combined file system and logical disk manager ZFS is...

[KarathKasun]

Just now, Razor Blade said:

RAID is a way of making a virtual disk from physical disks. It isn't a file system.

Which is why SS is not RAID.  SS is a filesystem overlay, an extension to NTFS.

[Razor Blade]

6 minutes ago, KarathKasun said:

Which is why SS is not RAID.  SS is a filesystem overlay, an extension to NTFS.

How would you define RAID? If you're talking about the really old hardware controllers a decade ago then yeah don't use those. Their software tends to be really limited and doesn't even have the ability to present drives as an HBA would. You also have severe drive size limitations. However even the Dell H700 hardware RAID card has the ability to hot plug and expand a VD without losing data through OMSA.

(https://www.dell.com/community/PowerEdge-HDD-SCSI-RAID/Add-Disk-Drive-to-PERC-H700-Integrated-RAID-5-Array/td-p/4450144)

 

Again. I'm going by the definition of RAID.

[KarathKasun]

Just now, Razor Blade said:

How would you define RAID? If you're talking about the really old hardware controllers a decade ago then yeah don't use those. However even the Dell H700 hardware RAID card has the ability to hot plug and expand a VD without losing data through OMSA.

(https://www.dell.com/community/PowerEdge-HDD-SCSI-RAID/Add-Disk-Drive-to-PERC-H700-Integrated-RAID-5-Array/td-p/4450144)

 

Again. I'm going by the definition of RAID.

Hardware RAID has no filesystem requirements and no provisions for filesystem level redundancy or load balancing.  It is filesystem agnostic.

 

SS REQUIRES NTFS or ReFS.