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1 minute ago, 10BadKids said:

So 32 in 2 dimms is best for now? 2channel 2 sticks?

I'm not trying to be demeaning or anything, but make sure the applications he is using can utilize that much memory. The vast majority of things can be handled with 8gb of memory, and 16GB is enough for applications with heavy multitasking, let alone 32 or 64.

 

Otherwise it's just a waste.

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I need a ram recommendation. I have a Ryzen 5 2600 3.4ghz, Prime B450M-A motherboard, XFX RX580 4GB, 240gbSSD, 2TB HD. it currently has 8gb Adata XPG ram and I wanted to go bigger. It's a CyberPower from Best buy. the model number is gma3000bst if that helps. It has 4 dimm slots and can support up to 64gb so I wanted to get a 4 channel 64gb RGB set but have become really confused trying to find best option. If you could suggest my best RGB solution I would appreciate it a ton.
Thank you!

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I would recommend if you want the least hassle to go to ASUS' website and search for the QVL list for your specific motherboard. Find the kit that is known to work, and get that kit.

 

Unless you have specific needs for that much RAM, I'd recommend you stick with 16GB kit.

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https://benzhaomin.github.io/bdiefinder/ my recommendation would be to use this, it's your best chance at finding high quality RAM. I wouldn't worry about the brand personally and just select the 64GB size and 4 sticks. It looks like you have a lot of options, and plenty of them are RGB.

 

and ignore plutosaurus's response to my post, he's been stalking me all day arguing with everything I say for no reason. 

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7 minutes ago, Billy Pilgrim said:

Your CPU only supports 2 RAM channels. Depending on what you do you might want to go for faster RAM instead of more.

It supports dual channel, dual channel is a marketing gimmick and provides very little to no performance gain in reality. Using 4 DIMMs is perfectly fine.

 

If you only want 32GB now, this is a fair option: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232560&Description=F4-3200C14D-32GTZR&cm_re=F4-3200C14D-32GTZR-_-20-232-560-_-Product 

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1 minute ago, 10BadKids said:

Ok so whats the best 2 channel ram I can go with. Would prefer RGB included. Thanks

https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/SocketAM4/PRIME_B450M-A/Memory_QVL_for_AMD_Ryzen_2nd_Generation_Processors.pdf?_ga=2.128464399.28980866.1549752708-1038179935.1549752708

 

Check there, look for the speed you want.

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It supports dual channel, dual channel is a marketing gimmick and provides very little to no performance gain in reality. Using 4 DIMMs is perfectly fine.

This is not true for Ryzen systems, at all.

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2 minutes ago, 10BadKids said:

Ok so whats the best 2 channel ram I can go with. Would prefer RGB included. Thanks

If you want the absolute best does that mean you're wiling to spend the money?  Because I think the TridentZ 4000CL17 kit might be one of the best RGB kits you can find.  Or you could go TridentZ Royal.

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Well right now we have budgeted to buy ram. I assume we will continue to try and improve the rig until we have to start over and build a better one. I was in touch with CyberPower and didn't really get as much help as I thought so came here. His suggestion was 64gb ddr4 2400mhz. He said the motherboard would support 64. Forgive my ignorance in all of this. I am just trying to help my son build best we can.

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I disagree with some of the comments here, your cpu supports either 1,2 or 4 ram modules. I'd advice going for 16gb for normal use: gaming internet et. 32gb is already over the top for most medium-high end systems.

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6 minutes ago, TheThymo said:

I disagree with some of the comments here, your cpu supports either 1,2 or 4 ram modules. I'd advice going for 16gb for normal use: gaming internet et. 32gb is already over the top for most medium-high end systems.

This is true, if he's building it for his son: 16GB is plenty if he's playing games and browsing the web and stuff, even if it's at the same time.

 

If he's going to do rendering, professional photoshop work, any power user stuff like that up to 32 could be good. 64 is pretty unnecessary unless he's producing 3D rendered movies from his computer lol. I mean if money is no problem then there's absolutely nothing wrong with having 64GB other than 2 DIMMs will be more stable than 4. 

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7 minutes ago, 10BadKids said:

Well right now we have budgeted to buy ram. I assume we will continue to try and improve the rig until we have to start over and build a better one. I was in touch with CyberPower and didn't really get as much help as I thought so came here. His suggestion was 64gb ddr4 2400mhz. He said the motherboard would support 64. Forgive my ignorance in all of this. I am just trying to help my son build best we can.

Yeah, for four DIMMS and 64GB of RAM that is the best advice to give unless you're willing to roll the dice on your specific combination of RAM, motherboard, and Ryzen IMC working flawlessly together and reaching higher speeds.  It's possible, but not probable.  

 

But like others have said 64GB is overkill for most.  So does your son have a need for that much RAM?  

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3 minutes ago, violentnumeric said:

This is true, if he's building it for his son: 16GB is plenty if he's playing games and browsing the web and stuff, even if it's at the same time.

 

If he's going to do rendering, professional photoshop work, any power user stuff like that up to 32 could be good. 64 is pretty unnecessary unless he's producing 3D rendered movies from his computer lol. I mean if money is no problem then there's absolutely nothing wrong with having 64GB other than 2 DIMMs will be more stable than 4.

So 32 in 2 dimms is best for now? 2channel 2 sticks?

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1 minute ago, 10BadKids said:

I was looking to spend 3-400 max

That 16GB 4000CL17 kit was $280 last I saw.  It won't run at 4000MHz, but there is a stronger chance that he can get 3600MHz 14-14-14-14 running with tight sub timings.  So if he wants to overclock his RAM then I suspect it's gonna be a great kit to use.  

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It would definitely depend on his usage, but 32 would be plenty and also be futureproof. 2 sticks is ideal, 4 would work but it's possible there would be some issues getting the memory to run at the rated speed.

 

3000MHz-3200MHz would be the most common and perfectly fine, although honestly anything like 2800+ is excellent. 

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1 minute ago, 10BadKids said:

So 32 in 2 dimms is best for now? 2channel 2 sticks?

Sir, please read the advice amd answer this question, what is the system being used for?

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Yeah, for four DIMMS and 64GB of RAM that is the best advice to give unless you're willing to roll the dice on your specific combination of RAM, motherboard, and Ryzen IMC working flawlessly together and reaching higher speeds.  It's possible, but not probable.  

 

But like others have said 64GB is overkill for most.  So does your son have a need for that much RAM?  

No, he is just gaming really. Like I said this isn't my specialty so I assumed 64 would be best. Also thinking if we upgrade we can take ram to next rig

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1 minute ago, 10BadKids said:

So 32 in 2 dimms is best for now? 2channel 2 sticks?

If you're looking at 64GB then using 2 sticks in dual channel will remove some of the motherboard RAM topology from the equation.  However, I still wouldn't be hopeful for high speeds due to the amount of RAM the IMC will have to contend with.  

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1 minute ago, 10BadKids said:

So 32 in 2 dimms is best for now? 2channel 2 sticks?

I'm not trying to be demeaning or anything, but make sure the applications he is using can utilize that much memory. The vast majority of things can be handled with 8gb of memory, and 16GB is enough for applications with heavy multitasking, let alone 32 or 64.

 

Otherwise it's just a waste.

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It would definitely depend on his usage, but 32 would be plenty and also be futureproof. 2 sticks is ideal, 4 would work but it's possible there would be some issues getting the memory to run at the rated speed.

 

3000MHz-3200MHz would be the most common and perfectly fine, although honestly anything like 2800+ is excellent.

I'd advice 3200 as 3000 is often unstable with ryzen

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25 minutes ago, TheThymo said:

I'd advice 3200 as 3000 is often unstable with ryzen

True, if it's on the QVL of the motherboard it should be good though:

 

https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/PRIME-B450M-A/HelpDesk_QVL/ - OP here's the official memory support list. Most memory should work fine but this is memory they've tested with the motherboard and guarantee to work.

 

https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/SocketAM4/PRIME_B450M-A/Memory_QVL_for_AMD_2000_Series_Processors.pdf actually here's the direct link 

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1 minute ago, TheThymo said:

Sir, please read the advice amd answer this question, what is the system being used for?

I'm sorry I just signed up to this and am realizing my answers are going only to who I click respond to. He is only using it for gaming right now but I was also taking future upgradability into account. 

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1 minute ago, violentnumeric said:

True, if it's on the QVL of the motherboard it should be good though:

 

https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/PRIME-B450M-A/HelpDesk_QVL/ - OP here's the official memory support list. Most memory should work fine but this is memory they've tested with the motherboard and guarantee to work.

I have 3000mhz ram with my 2600 which was on the qvl list but it still is unstable. I've been told that 3000mhz is officialy not supported

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