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I'm looking to upgrade the mobo for my 2600x (currently running asus b450-f gaming). And man, all the reviews and opinions are so frickin' all over the place, this is harder than i ever thought.

I first settled on the Crosshair VI Hero, but i've read that latest bios doesn't support PBO settings.

All i want is a good VRM, support for my G.Skill Ripjaws V F4-3200C15D-16GVR, PBO working properly and to be able to change the voltage offset, since the stock one is usually too high.

 

I'm looking at budget motherboards, like Gigabyte X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING or MSI X470 GAMING PRO and the Crosshair (which i like best).

These 3 are in the same price range for me.

I can't buy from amazon or newegg or other sites like that.

Can i get any recommendations?

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just stick to the B450-F then. New boards coming with 3rd gen Ryzen should be the better deal (because the Gigabyte and MSI boards are no better than your B450-F in hardware).

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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B450 gaming pro carbon ac? 

 

Or or as mentioned above, wait for zen 2 and the new boards coming with that 

 

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5 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

just stick to the B450-F then. New boards coming with 3rd gen Ryzen should be the better deal (because the Gigabyte and MSI boards are no better than your B450-F in hardware).

 

4 minutes ago, Stormseeker9 said:

B450 gaming pro carbon ac? 

 

Or or as mentioned above, wait for zen 2 and the new boards coming with that 

Yeah, but they'll be expensive when they do come out and since i don't game that much or intensively, i don't wanna spend that much money.

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2 minutes ago, Attitude12 said:

 

Yeah, but they'll be expensive when they do come out and since i don't game that much or intensively, i don't wanna spend that much money.

then buy old boards once the new boards come so their price would have dipped, just anything but buying these boards now.

 

Or consider X370s, X370 Taichi is sometimes very cheap

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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3 minutes ago, Attitude12 said:

 

Yeah, but they'll be expensive when they do come out and since i don't game that much or intensively, i don't wanna spend that much money.

B450/X470 will both drop in prices at that time, so you could still buy the older board, but cheaper :)

 

MSI B450 Pro Gaming Pro Carbon AC | AMD Ryzen 2700x  | NZXT  Kraken X52  MSI GeForce RTX2070 Armour | Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB (4*8) 3200MhZ | Samsung 970 evo M.2nvme 500GB Boot  / Samsung 860 evo 500GB SSD | Corsair RM550X (2018) | Fractal Design Meshify C white | Logitech G pro WirelessGigabyte Aurus AD27QD 

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4 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

then buy old boards once the new boards come so their price would have dipped, just anything but buying these boards now.

 

Or consider X370s, X370 Taichi is sometimes very cheap

The Crosshair VI Hero is x370. I considered that.

Also, the x370 Taichi from asrock is at the same price as the Hero.

 

Should i switch?

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8 minutes ago, Attitude12 said:

The Crosshair VI Hero is x370. I considered that.

Also, the x370 Taichi from asrock is at the same price as the Hero.

 

Should i switch?

nah Crosshair is the better board for overclocking, Taichi has stronger VRMs but even the Crosshair is overkill for the 2600X

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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Just now, Jurrunio said:

nah Crosshair is the better board for overclocking, Taichi has stronger VRMs but even the Crosshair is overkill for the 2600X

Ok, but if i don't OC, i just want PBO running, which one should i get from those two? Feature wise, taichi seems better.

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Just now, Attitude12 said:

Ok, but if i don't OC, i just want PBO running, which one should i get from those two? Feature wise, taichi seems better.

Just stick to the older BIOS on your B450-F. PBO is no god, the potential performance loss is minor.

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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4 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Just stick to the older BIOS on your B450-F. PBO is no god, the potential performance loss is minor.

I got no idea what you're talking about. I'm running latest bios, i got no issues, except maybe the CPU is a little hot.

I get that PBO is not a god, but for someone who doesn't want to manual OC, it's good.

And this b450-f has bad reviews all over the place, especially on the VRM side. What wrong with getting the Taichi or the Hero?

I can still get a refund from my b450-f (a full one) and for 15 extra bucks, i get either the Taichi or the Hero.

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12 minutes ago, Attitude12 said:

I got no idea what you're talking about. I'm running latest bios, i got no issues, except maybe the CPU is a little hot.

I get that PBO is not a god, but for someone who doesn't want to manual OC, it's good.

And this b450-f has bad reviews all over the place, especially on the VRM side. What wrong with getting the Taichi or the Hero?

I can still get a refund from my b450-f (a full one) and for 15 extra bucks, i get either the Taichi or the Hero.

... you should have told us that you can return the b450-f and it's cheap to buy a new board, I thought you have to sell the B450-F.

 

Hero is also from Asus, if any Asus board that did have PBO doesnt have it working anymore, then so will the Hero. Taichi is from Asrock, which doesnt have the most elaborate of BIOS so you will need to spend some time with it to get the controls right.

 

In terms of VRM capabilities (power delivery), Taichi has twice the power than the Hero, the latter could be a big problem if AMD releases more power hungry CPUs (say 40% more than the 2700X) and you try to use it. Otherwise it's not a problem for both boards.

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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52 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

... you should have told us that you can return the b450-f and it's cheap to buy a new board, I thought you have to sell the B450-F.

 

Hero is also from Asus, if any Asus board that did have PBO doesnt have it working anymore, then so will the Hero. Taichi is from Asrock, which doesnt have the most elaborate of BIOS so you will need to spend some time with it to get the controls right.

 

In terms of VRM capabilities (power delivery), Taichi has twice the power than the Hero, the latter could be a big problem if AMD releases more power hungry CPUs (say 40% more than the 2700X) and you try to use it. Otherwise it's not a problem for both boards.

Yeah, my bad, I forgot to specify that i can return it. :)

I won't spend as much in the bios as a serious overclocker. Just to get the ram to the specified speeds and to adjust the voltages offset for the PBO.

Thank you for your answer and time.

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