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Im trying to install windows 98 on a HP pavilion. It has a celoron (from the P4 era) single core @_2.7GHz and it wont boot *AT ALL* with any 98 CD. I know about the problem with 95 and 98FE that over 700MHz-1GHz, it throws a protection error. That hasn't happened to me as i cant boot the setup CD. Suggestions are appreciated but i'm not around the system at this time. 

Not sure about you but I think my 7 year old CPU still rips

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12 minutes ago, LukeTheCoder05 said:

Im trying to install windows 98 on a HP pavilion. It has a celoron (from the P4 era) single core @_2.7GHz and it wont boot *AT ALL* with any 98 CD. I know about the problem with 95 and 98FE that over 700MHz-1GHz, it throws a protection error. That hasn't happened to me as i cant boot the setup CD. Suggestions are appreciated but i'm not around the system at this time. 

Are you certain the CD-ROM is

(a) working

and

(b) a good CD?

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4 hours ago, Radium_Angel said:

Are you certain the CD-ROM is

(a) working

and

(b) a good CD?

Both, yes. I've tried burning many disk. It worked once a while ago but now nothing. I'm gonna mess around with it tonight.

Not sure about you but I think my 7 year old CPU still rips

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13 minutes ago, LukeTheCoder05 said:

Both, yes. I've tried burning many disk. It worked once a while ago but now nothing. I'm gonna mess around with it tonight.

It has been my experience that modern burned disks on old cd-rom drives is iffy. If you can, burn the cd-rom disk at very low speeds, no more than 4x speed. 

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1 hour ago, Radium_Angel said:

It has been my experience that modern burned disks on old cd-rom drives is iffy. If you can, burn the cd-rom disk at very low speeds, no more than 4x speed. 

I I had to get CD-R disc specialy for this because all I have otherwise is DVDs.

 

46 minutes ago, tobias1198 said:

you might be able to set up a booteable USB if you got a port and install it this way

I've tried. No luck.

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Are you sure that the image is of a version that can be booted on its own as most if not all windows stand alone installers require a second disk that contains the DOS drivers and setup to allow the CD to be read and the install to progress.

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I highly, highly recommend first booting from DOS with CD-Rom support. Format the drive from DOS to prepare it, and then make a directory on the drive. (C:\Win98 or C:\WinInst are my recommendations.) Copy all of your Windows 98 CD's contents onto the main drive, and then load the installer from there. I may be able to help more... I installed Windows 98SE on a computer not too long ago that was much too new for its time. 

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43 minutes ago, demonix00 said:

Are you sure that the image is of a version that can be booted on its own as most if not all windows stand alone installers require a second disk that contains the DOS drivers and setup to allow the CD to be read and the install to progress.

remembering this era just gave me stressful flashbacks.

 

 

 

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@demonix00, @LTanner, @markr54632 The Windows 98 installer was the first OS to switch to bootable CDs where no floppy is needed. Windows 95 did need a floppy disk as well as some others. Although my problem is that it doesn't even try to boot. It worked before on same hardware and everything, now it doesn't.

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1 minute ago, LukeTheCoder05 said:

@demonix00, @LTanner, @markr54632 The Windows 98 installer was the first OS to switch to bootable CDs where no floppy is needed. Windows 95 did need a floppy disk as well as some others. Although my problem is that it doesn't even try to boot. It worked before on same hardware and everything, now it doesn't.

It may have had a bootable CD, but most hardware of the time still required you to make a bootable floppy. Going off memory I honestly cant remember ever installing it without a floppy.

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3 minutes ago, LukeTheCoder05 said:

@demonix00, @LTanner, @markr54632 Although my problem is that it doesn't even try to boot. It worked before on same hardware and everything, now it doesn't.

Test that your disk boots properly in a virtualized environment. If this is an OEM disc, I'd assume they go bad over time with scratches or the surface of the disk changing over 20 years. If not and you burnt this from the internet, there's a chance that the copy you had doesn't support booting from the disk. Some were bootable, others weren't, even with the latter being the full installer for computers without DOS/Windows. 

 

Only the OEM version is bootable. Retail versions are not bootable and require a separate boot floppy.

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15 hours ago, LTanner said:

Test that your disk boots properly in a virtualized environment. If this is an OEM disc, I'd assume they go bad over time with scratches or the surface of the disk changing over 20 years. If not and you burnt this from the internet, there's a chance that the copy you had doesn't support booting from the disk. Some were bootable, others weren't, even with the latter being the full installer for computers without DOS/Windows. 

 

Only the OEM version is bootable. Retail versions are not bootable and require a separate boot floppy.

I have tried and the image is bootable alone in virtualbox. I think the problem is how the data gets transfered to the installation media.

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7 minutes ago, LukeTheCoder05 said:

I have tried and the image is bootable alone in virtualbox. I think the problem is how the data gets transfered to the installation media.

How do you burn the image to the disk? I'm assuming you're using a utility to burn the ISO image to disc? What does the structure of the disk look like to your modern machine?

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How do you burn the image to the disk? I'm assuming you're using a utility to burn the ISO image to disc? What does the structure of the disk look like to your modern machine?

My main PC doesn't have a CD-ROM drive so i use my laptop and all i can do is copy and paste for the CD. In the case of USB, none of my utilities will allow me to create it. Again, all i can do there is copy and paste.

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Just now, LukeTheCoder05 said:

My main PC doesn't have a CD-ROM drive so i use my laptop and all i can do is copy and paste for the CD. In the case of USB, none of my utilities will allow me to create it. Again, all i can do there is copy and paste.

When i try to burn the ISO on my laptop, it would eject the CD and say "insert disk" i would, it will seek, then eject it again.

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1 minute ago, LukeTheCoder05 said:

all i can do there is copy and paste.

That would be your issue. Having just the .iso image will mean your computer has no idea what to do with it. I recommend downloading ImgBurn or another free utility to burn the .iso image file onto the CD, which will create the proper structure of the CD as well as the tracks. 

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1 minute ago, LTanner said:

That would be your issue. Having just the .iso image will mean your computer has no idea what to do with it. I recommend downloading ImgBurn or another free utility to burn the .iso image file onto the CD, which will create the proper structure of the CD as well as the tracks. 

I would mount it then copy the actual files.

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Just now, LukeTheCoder05 said:

I would mount it then copy the actual files.

This still doesn't write certain files onto the disc, such as the boot loader, nor mark it as bootable so that your computer will try to use the disc as a bootable drive. Try to use ImgBurn or another free .iso burning utility, please.

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Just now, LTanner said:

This still doesn't write certain files onto the disc, such as the boot loader, nor mark it as bootable so that your computer will try to use the disc as a bootable drive. Try to use ImgBurn or another free .iso burning utility, please.

Yeah ill give it a whirl.

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2 minutes ago, LukeTheCoder05 said:

Yeah ill give it a whirl.

For reference, Seagate explains it better than I can: http://knowledge.seagate.com/articles/en_US/FAQ/201431en

 

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Just copying files to a CD will not work because the CD will need a master boot record and other hidden Startup operating system files.

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