New Build Suggestions

[Anomnomnomaly]

Hi all

 

Looking for some reasonable advice on a new build... I've been building my own PC's for 20yrs... but it has admittedly been a few years since I last built one. Tech has moved on and I've been doing some research into components.

 

I've always gone for performance vs price rather than the high end stuff... but for once I've got a little extra in the pot.... Prices are going to be UK based, so bear in mind that we get screwed and typically pay a lot more.

 

I've mostly gone AMD in the past, ever since my first duron build back in the very early 2000's after having a PII 350... yup, one of the old Slot A CPU's That was the last off the shelf PC I ever had. But I'm not ruling out Intel this time around.

 

I've been buying a few parts here and there in sales, so I already have the case (Sharkoon BW9000), PSU (EVGA G2 650W) 2x Crucial MX500 1TB.  I'll be reusing my Liteon BDRom and Sapphire Nitro 8GB RX580 graphics for the time being and I've got a Corsair H115 Pro AIO for the new build too.

 

So my current ancient build is

Asus 970 Motherboard

FX 8350 @ 4.4ghz across all 8 cores

16GB Gskill DDR3 (4x4GB)

250GB Crucial SSD

2x 3TB storage

R8GB X580

 

 

All I need now is the CPU, MB, Ram & an NVME drive for the OS.

 

I've been reading as best I can and cannot come to a decision... it's been 5yrs since I built a new system, so my new one needs to be able to run games @ 1440p with decent framerates... which I'm just not getting anymore on anything released in the last couple of years... 75fps is the min because I have a couple of 27" Acer monitors that only go up to 75hz and I have no plans to upgrade to a 120hz or higher monitor for a few more years. I'm struggling to run Far Cry 5 and AC Origins @ 1080p and 40fps on lowish settings. It's just not good enough. I've kinda stopped buying new games because it's just annoying trying to play them.

 

I thought I'd settled on a Ryzen 7 2700X on the X470 chipset, 16 or 32GB  DDR4 3200 and a 250GB NVME... I'd saved up enough to buy those now... and then I was reading about the Zen 3xxx leaks and the X570 chipset...  So far whilst the Zen 3xxx cpu's are looking great, the only real info I can find on the X570 is that it will have PCIE4.0... Everything else appears to be the same, and I'm unsure if waiting another 3-4 months is worthwhile, considering how frustrating it is trying to game on this thing anymore.

 

Cost of all that with 16GB is around the £650-700 range and £780-830 with 32GB

 

Then I started looking at Intel, and comparing prices.. But to be honest, I have very little knowledge on Intel CPU's and chipsets. Ram and NVME are gonna be the same I'm assuming... so it's just the MB/CPU combo and it needs to come in within or under the budget I have.

 

I couldn't give a crap about RGB, to me it's pointless... it's a gaming PC not a display piece or a fashion statement... I know some people like it... I couldn't care less. I'd rather spend my money on better parts.

 

 

So... advice/suggestions/insults on a postcard too......

 

Or just reply.

 

 

 

tl:dr - Building new pc... AMD or Intel

 

[TheBean]

wait for CES (next few weeks). amd will likely talk about zen 2. (new amd cpu's)

[YourCrush1234]

I think that going amd is great, they offer nice chips for cheap, and zen 2 looks promising like you said. 16gb of Corsair vengeance ram can easily be found for cheap. For a mobo, 470’s chipset can be pricey, but nice for overclocking so do whatever is cheap. if you want true nvme, go with a 250gb stick-storage-thing, but getting a sata nvme can be cheaper. And if you want decent FPS on 1440p, you have to have at least a 1070

[Anomnomnomaly]

 

56 minutes ago, Saksham said:

wait for CES (next few weeks). amd will likely talk about zen 2. (new amd cpu's)

Logically, that makes sense... but I'm getting more and more frustrated trying to play games... and I've got a lot of free time to play games right now. 

 

I've been putting of the new build for about a year now... I had more than enough last summer... and then had to replace the roof on my house. So I then had to start saving all over again. I've spent about £475 so far on the Case/PSU/AIO & 2x 1TB SSD's (gotta love sales and Amazon warehouse deals, it's saved me around £150 so far).

 

So logic aside... I WANT A NEW SHINY  THING TO PLAY WITH

 

53 minutes ago, YourCrush1234 said:

I think that going amd is great, they offer nice chips for cheap, and zen 2 looks promising like you said. 16gb of Corsair vengeance ram can easily be found for cheap. For a mobo, 470’s chipset can be pricey, but nice for overclocking so do whatever is cheap. if you want true nvme, go with a 250gb stick-storage-thing, but getting a sata nvme can be cheaper. And if you want decent FPS on 1440p, you have to have at least a 1070

 

Overclocking isn't essential, but given that I've bought an AOI that's overkill for what I'll be using it for... Perhaps I'll see if I end up with a decent CPU. I tweak rather than seriously OC... At least not since the old T-Bird 1.2ghz @ 1.55ghz days (am I showing my age now?) I had my old Phenom II 955BE 3.2 @ 3.7ghz for 4yrs on air and my current FX8350 sits at 4.4 on all cores without any extra voltage, but it does get a little toasty when taxed.

 

I was looking at the corsair vengeance... it's in my amazon basket... 16gb 3200mhz for around £125.

 

Going for a 1070 isn't an option on my budget right now. Perhaps later in the year I can pick up a second hand 1080 or something... or if the rumours about the 1160/1170 are true... that might be an option depending on price. I tend to go mid range on cards... and was considering another 580 for Xfire again (not done that since I had a couple of 5770's back in 2009/2010)

 

I've even considered sticking with the X470 board, but getting a cheaper Ryzen 5 2600 as it's £100-150 cheaper (depending X variant) than the 2700X... prices in the UK have been fluctuating badly recently with a current 2700X sitting at over £300 when it was around £274 just recently.

 

If I get a cheaper CPU now, I can always upgrade at the end of the year... I've been looking for a reason to rebuild my mediaserver as that's 5yrs old now too. I was going to upgrade it with the 16GB and FX8350 (currently has an FX 4250 and 8GB). But a B450 board and a ryzen 5 would be nice... although it does mean upgrading my systems to windows 10... and I've refused so far as I hate privacy invasion with that POS  OS.  But if I'm building a new rig... I've not got much choice really... and W7 is EOL next Jan.

 

I'm procrastinating far too much.

[Anomnomnomaly]

Current spec preference is (all prices on Amazon UK as of this evening, Prime only parts listed, I tend not to buy 3rd party sellers due to problems in the past, and most of the UK specialist sellers are 10% more expensive (or even higher)

 

Gigabyte X470 AORUS Ultra Gaming (£134.99)

Corsair Vengeance 3000 DDR4 (16GB)  (£123.59)  (Amazon is showing the 3200mhz at a whopping £279 for 16GB right now, I could get 32GB of RGB for that)

Ryzen 7 2700X (£309.99)

Ryzen 5 2600X (£197.99)

Ryzen 5 2600 (£150.46)

250GB Samsung 970 Evo (£82.11)

 

So with the 2700X and 16GB it's £650 ish, with 32GB it's £775 ish

 

But go with the 2600 and that comes down to £614 ish with 32GB or add another £48 for the 2600X and or subtract £123 if I stick with 16GB... Which should be more than enough still. I've never run out of memory in this rig.

[Anomnomnomaly]

I can save some more money by switching out the NVME M.2 for a WD Blue 250GB, that saves me a further £20... and If I go for the Ryzen 5, 1600X, that's currently £130, a full £70 less than the £2600X.

 

I can then upgrade the CPU later when the Ryzen 7 3xxx chips are out.

 

So that brings the build under £500, and allows me to get 16GB of the Corsair RGB (because the stock 3200mhz has doubled in price for some reason)

[Yogi61]

19 hours ago, Anomnomnomaly said:

 

Logically, that makes sense... but I'm getting more and more frustrated trying to play games... and I've got a lot of free time to play games right now. 

 

I've been putting of the new build for about a year now... I had more than enough last summer... and then had to replace the roof on my house. So I then had to start saving all over again. I've spent about £475 so far on the Case/PSU/AIO & 2x 1TB SSD's (gotta love sales and Amazon warehouse deals, it's saved me around £150 so far).

 

So logic aside... I WANT A NEW SHINY  THING TO PLAY WITH

 

 

Overclocking isn't essential, but given that I've bought an AOI that's overkill for what I'll be using it for... Perhaps I'll see if I end up with a decent CPU. I tweak rather than seriously OC... At least not since the old T-Bird 1.2ghz @ 1.55ghz days (am I showing my age now?) I had my old Phenom II 955BE 3.2 @ 3.7ghz for 4yrs on air and my current FX8350 sits at 4.4 on all cores without any extra voltage, but it does get a little toasty when taxed.

 

I was looking at the corsair vengeance... it's in my amazon basket... 16gb 3200mhz for around £125.

 

Going for a 1070 isn't an option on my budget right now. Perhaps later in the year I can pick up a second hand 1080 or something... or if the rumours about the 1160/1170 are true... that might be an option depending on price. I tend to go mid range on cards... and was considering another 580 for Xfire again (not done that since I had a couple of 5770's back in 2009/2010)

 

I've even considered sticking with the X470 board, but getting a cheaper Ryzen 5 2600 as it's £100-150 cheaper (depending X variant) than the 2700X... prices in the UK have been fluctuating badly recently with a current 2700X sitting at over £300 when it was around £274 just recently.

 

If I get a cheaper CPU now, I can always upgrade at the end of the year... I've been looking for a reason to rebuild my mediaserver as that's 5yrs old now too. I was going to upgrade it with the 16GB and FX8350 (currently has an FX 4250 and 8GB). But a B450 board and a ryzen 5 would be nice... although it does mean upgrading my systems to windows 10... and I've refused so far as I hate privacy invasion with that POS  OS.  But if I'm building a new rig... I've not got much choice really... and W7 is EOL next Jan.

 

I'm procrastinating far too much.

just w8 for ryzen 3000 series  thats looks it will take the lead from team blue for good 

good price for so many cores 

 

CES starts Today/tomorrow depends on time zone  so  just hold your horses and see what will  be lunched

[Anomnomnomaly]

14 minutes ago, Yogi61 said:

just w8 for ryzen 3000 series  thats looks it will take the lead from team blue for good 

good price for so many cores 

 

CES starts Today/tomorrow depends on time zone  so  just hold your horses and see what will  be lunched

As I said.. logically that makes sense... But I can't play any modern game with any kind of acceptable frame rates.  GTA V, Far Cry 5, AC Origins... 1080p with low/medium settings and a max of 40fps with stutters down to low teens.

 

I've turned of freesync for all games, there's no frame rate cap enabled... But I cannot get over 41 in any of those games... and it's unplayable.

 

 

I'll wait a week or so until I get paid, as that will boost my budget by another £200-300 (I get a bonus this month) and to see if AMD announce anything at CES.  If as I suspect the only upgrade the X570 chipset will have is support for PCIE 4.0,,, and given that no PCIE 4.0 cards will be around for some time. I'll go X470 and Ryzen 5 now... and upgrade to a Ryzen 7 3xxx later in the year.

 

But when trying to game does nothing but either annoy the crap out of you, or force you to play older games... It's time for an upgrade, lets not forget that the FX8350 is now around 7yrs old, and was built on 32nm... and is utter garbage in single threaded performance... I really need that upgrade.

 

I've checked comparisons sites and the R5 1600X gives me a 30% boost overall and a 40% boost in single thread performance and if I go the 2600 or 2600X, then it gives another 5-10% on top.

 

A 1600X is currently £129.97, a 2700X is £309.99

 

If the rumours are true... a 3700x will be around the same price point as the 2700X but with 12/24 cores and a stock speed around 4.2ghz with a boost to 5ghz... If that's true and the R5 is going 8/16 cores... I could get the 1600x now and the 3600X later... and still not spend much more than a current 2700X costs.

[Guest]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor  (£147.00 @ Amazon UK) 
Motherboard: MSI - B450 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£109.19 @ Amazon UK) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (£110.39 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: Crucial - MX500 250 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (£47.64 @ Amazon UK) 
Total: £414.22
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-01-08 01:07 GMT+0000

[Anomnomnomaly]

1 hour ago, lee32uk said:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor  (£147.00 @ Amazon UK) 
Motherboard: MSI - B450 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£109.19 @ Amazon UK) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (£110.39 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: Crucial - MX500 250 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (£47.64 @ Amazon UK) 
Total: £414.22
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-01-08 01:07 GMT+0000

I've already got 2x 1TB  Crucial MX500's for gaming... I'll be adding an NVME for the OS.

 

As I'll be overclocking, going for a B450 is counter productive, and as I'll be upgrading to a Ryzen 3xxx series later on, the X470 makes more sense.

[Guest]

15 hours ago, Anomnomnomaly said:

I've already got 2x 1TB  Crucial MX500's for gaming... I'll be adding an NVME for the OS.

 

As I'll be overclocking, going for a B450 is counter productive, and as I'll be upgrading to a Ryzen 3xxx series later on, the X470 makes more sense.

You can overclock on B450. The chipset doesn't determine how good/bad the board is. There are still really bad X470 boards (Asus TUF is one example). Also the Gigabyte one you chose isn't anything special. I would rather have the MSI B450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC if spending that sort of money.