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[TheManWhoBans]

hi guys. first of all im from the philippines and the parts below are available or for orders in our country.

i will be using this build for a internet cafe w/c im opening.

there is a setup here in the philippines w/c is called diskless

basically the sub computers will be using the main computers(server) HDD(connected via cables) though each sub pc will still have their own SSD for windows but for games apps and etc they will rely on the server

i will have 30 sub computers (for rental) and 1 server/gaming pc.

 

any suggestions/comments on the server/personal gaming pc?

also pls suggest a monitor. (pref asus) and a UPS

at least 27' non 4k is ok

budget is $2,500 max (including UPs) 

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($369.89 @ B&H) 
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H100i PRO 75 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($109.89 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: Asus - Prime Z370-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($299.89 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($249.99 @ Newegg Business) 
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Green 500 GB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($21.95 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Western Digital - Black 1 TB 2.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($66.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Western Digital - Black 4 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($177.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Video Card: Asus - GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8 GB ROG STRIX Video Card  ($549.99 @ B&H) 
Case: Corsair - 750D Airflow Edition ATX Full Tower Case  ($159.99 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: Corsair - RMx (2018) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($109.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $2116.56
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-01-01 05:12 EST-0500

[Granular]

14 minutes ago, TheManWhoBans said:

server/gaming pc

That's an unusual combination for a reason. Save yourself many headaches and make the server a separate machine.

[Master Disaster]

31 minutes ago, TheManWhoBans said:

hi guys. first of all im from the philippines and the parts below are available or for orders in our country.

i will be using this build for a internet cafe w/c im opening.

there is a setup here in the philippines w/c is called diskless

basically the sub computers will be using the main computers(server) HDD(connected via cables) though each sub pc will still have their own SSD for windows but for games apps and etc they will rely on the server

i will have 30 sub computers (for rental) and 1 server/gaming pc.

 

any suggestions/comments on the server/personal gaming pc?

also pls suggest a monitor. (pref asus) and a UPS

at least 27' non 4k is ok

budget is $2,500 max (including UPs) 

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($369.89 @ B&H) 
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H100i PRO 75 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($109.89 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: Asus - Prime Z370-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($299.89 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($249.99 @ Newegg Business) 
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Green 500 GB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($21.95 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Western Digital - Black 1 TB 2.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($66.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Western Digital - Black 4 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($177.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Video Card: Asus - GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8 GB ROG STRIX Video Card  ($549.99 @ B&H) 
Case: Corsair - 750D Airflow Edition ATX Full Tower Case  ($159.99 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: Corsair - RMx (2018) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($109.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $2116.56
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-01-01 05:12 EST-0500

What you are describing are called thin clients, the server stores the majority of the data and the computers only run the OS.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thin_client

[TheManWhoBans]

45 minutes ago, Granular said:

That's an unusual combination for a reason. Save yourself many headaches and make the server a separate machine.

for now i cant. maybe after a year or a year and a half i might. plus ill only play on it maybe 3 to 5 hours per day or none at all when the shop is busy 

[TheManWhoBans]

31 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

What you are describing are called thin clients, the server stores the majority of the data and the computers only run the OS.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thin_client

thank you for enlightening me. i personally dont know that it was called that.  we( me and my friend who owns his own internet cafe) calls it diskless.  

[Granular]

4 minutes ago, TheManWhoBans said:

for now i cant. maybe after a year or a year and a half i might.

My point is, if your business is going to depend on that server, focus on making a good server with redundant storage and a server OS that's only running the storage server program and nothing else that might interfere with it by crashing your OS, like games, Steam, GPU drivers, voice chat app, etc. Then build a gaming computer, when you can afford it.

What's your networking setup going to look like? The motherboard you linked has a single 1Gb/s network port. 1 gigabit per second is 125 megabytes per second. Divided by 30, that's 4.17 megabytes per second. Surely, you will want a lot more bandwidth than that. At least a couple of 10Gb/s NICs going out to 10GbE/1GbE switches.

And you'll want a RAID5 or equivalent to up the storage throughput and guard against a single drive failure bringing your entire operation to a halt.

[TheManWhoBans]

9 hours ago, Granular said:

My point is, if your business is going to depend on that server, focus on making a good server with redundant storage and a server OS that's only running the storage server program and nothing else that might interfere with it by crashing your OS, like games, Steam, GPU drivers, voice chat app, etc. Then build a gaming computer, when you can afford it.

What's your networking setup going to look like? The motherboard you linked has a single 1Gb/s network port. 1 gigabit per second is 125 megabytes per second. Divided by 30, that's 4.17 megabytes per second. Surely, you will want a lot more bandwidth than that. At least a couple of 10Gb/s NICs going out to 10GbE/1GbE switches.

And you'll want a RAID5 or equivalent to up the storage throughput and guard against a single drive failure bringing your entire operation to a halt.

any recommendations for the board? how about the rest? 

[Granular]

11 hours ago, TheManWhoBans said:

any recommendations for the board? how about the rest? 

Personally, I'd take a Ryzen 5 2600, an Asrock B450 Pro4 (or any B450 or x470 board that supports ECC RAM), 32 GB of unbuffered ECC RAM ( 2 16GB sticks to be able to expand to 64GB later if needed), add a 10GbE NIC ( single port ones are around $100 new), install FreeNAS on it and set up ZFS with RAIDZ on 4-5 2TB HDDs. ZFS has a built in sharing capabilities via NFS and CIFS. NFS should have higher performance, but Windows has better support for CIFS.

FreeNAS is managed through a web interface, so you can get by without a graphics cards and with a much more modest power supply ( 450W should be more than enough). There's also no need for getting anything in place of the included Wraith cooler for the CPU. Judging by my local prices, that setup could be around $1200-1300.

But I'm already quite familiar with Unix-like systems and ZFS and I like to tinker. If you have the time and interest to learn FreeNAS, their forums or Level1Tech's forums are probably a better place to ask further questions you may have.

If you don't have the time or inclination to learn a lot of new things, I'd recommend shopping for a ready-built NAS with 10GbE on board or an expansion slot that can take a 10GbE NIC. The problem there is that the cheap ones are designed to handle backups or similar not very intensive loads by a handful of clients and if you want more than a quad core ARM CPU or a Celeron and 2-4GB RAM (and I'm not an expert, but I think you do), the prices rise fast, from $400-500 to well over your $2500 budget before the drives and the UPS.

[TheManWhoBans]

On 1/2/2019 at 5:11 PM, Granular said:

Personally, I'd take a Ryzen 5 2600, an Asrock B450 Pro4 (or any B450 or x470 board that supports ECC RAM), 32 GB of unbuffered ECC RAM ( 2 16GB sticks to be able to expand to 64GB later if needed), add a 10GbE NIC ( single port ones are around $100 new), install FreeNAS on it and set up ZFS with RAIDZ on 4-5 2TB HDDs. ZFS has a built in sharing capabilities via NFS and CIFS. NFS should have higher performance, but Windows has better support for CIFS.

FreeNAS is managed through a web interface, so you can get by without a graphics cards and with a much more modest power supply ( 450W should be more than enough). There's also no need for getting anything in place of the included Wraith cooler for the CPU. Judging by my local prices, that setup could be around $1200-1300.

But I'm already quite familiar with Unix-like systems and ZFS and I like to tinker. If you have the time and interest to learn FreeNAS, their forums or Level1Tech's forums are probably a better place to ask further questions you may have.

If you don't have the time or inclination to learn a lot of new things, I'd recommend shopping for a ready-built NAS with 10GbE on board or an expansion slot that can take a 10GbE NIC. The problem there is that the cheap ones are designed to handle backups or similar not very intensive loads by a handful of clients and if you want more than a quad core ARM CPU or a Celeron and 2-4GB RAM (and I'm not an expert, but I think you do), the prices rise fast, from $400-500 to well over your $2500 budget before the drives and the UPS.

ok thank. also thanks for the pms. im gonna follow  the thing you were telling me