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3700x not performing as expected

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Posted · Original PosterOP

I've recently build a PC, topic here: 

 

 

Long story short Its a 3700x with a stock cooler (for now) sitting in Asus x570 Prime-PRO with 2x8gb ram G.Skill Tridenz Z Neo 3600mhz

 

I've been trying to play with the PBO, Auto overclock, but i can't get even to 4.2ghz boost. 

I have updated BIOS to the new "ABBA" version, did not see any improvement at all.

Played with BIOS, switching PBO from Auto to enabled, raised the PPT to 180 (because RYZEN MASTER wouldn't raise it from 88W after bios update), no results.

I've honestly had the best results by overclocking it manually to 4.2ghz skipping all the "Overdrives", but that kind of performance is still not the advertised one.

 

In Cinebench I scored 4455 which is ~300 points lower than expected.

 


I don't really know what other details I should provide, so I will provide all info needed when asked.

The performance just doesn't feel right for me, I've heard that the 4.4ghz boost is possible maaaybe on a single core but i haven't even seen solid 4.2...

 

UPDATE:
After setting up the clocks @4.2 and voltage to 1.3 i scored 4777, which is what i would be expecting. Temps didn't go over 75c, i let the fan run at 100%. The run on the screen with 83c was on lower fan speeds. I had some crashes on 4250 but i was doing it through ryzen master, not the bios.

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Posted · Original PosterOP

It's more the boost speeds that I'm concerned about, the cooler does a great job actually, after setting up the fan curve I'm not going over 75c in benchmark. I'll order some AIO just for peace of mind but as I've said earlier, this processor reaches 4.2 only on manual all core boost. 

It crashed at 4250... 🤦‍♂️

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Posted (edited) · Original PosterOP

Installed Corsair's 280mm AIO and temps obviously improved, maybe not that much but they're more stable. 

What I've noticed is completely different reads of the CPU Temp in Ryzen Master and AIDA (screenshot)

 

Why is there 20c difference? And most important - which one is real?

 

I've finally got 4.2ghz but that's still far from 4.4... :(

 

EDIT:

Also... it stil crashes on anything higher than 4250mhz in manual mode

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22 hours ago, krzychumz said:

Installed Corsair's 280mm AIO and temps obviously improved, maybe not that much but they're more stable. 

What I've noticed is completely different reads of the CPU Temp in Ryzen Master and AIDA (screenshot)

 

Why is there 20c difference? And most important - which one is real?

 

I've finally got 4.2ghz but that's still far from 4.4... :(

 

EDIT:

Also... it stil crashes on anything higher than 4250mhz in manual mode

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Mine is hitting up to 4,250 during games and shit, but in cinebench it reachs 4,100 max, my main problem is the same as everybody high voltages that causes high temperatures. During these tests, it reaches 84C i thought it was thermal paste/cooler, but even reapplying it still reached that. About the differences i saw in a few researches that programs reads the cpu have a offset of 20 degrees, idk why but i would trust ryzen master


Main rig: CPU: Ryzen 7 3700X cooled by a Noctua NH-U14S; Mem: 16 GB(2x8) G.Skill TridentZ White 3200 MHz; GPU: EVGA RTX 2070 XC; MOBO: MSI B450 Tomahawk; SSD: Kingston A400 480GB HDD: 1TB Western Digital Blue; PSU: Corsair CX750M Semi-modular (80+ bronze); CASE: Thermaltake Commander C36.

 

Secondary rig: CPU: Intel Core i7 4790 @3.60GHz(Turbo @4.00GHz) cooled by Corsair H60; Mem: G.Skill RipJawsX DDR3 16GB(4x4) OC@2133MHz (11-11-11-30 (1.6V)); GPU: None(for now); MOBO: Gigabyte Z87-HD3; SSD:HyperX 120GB; PSU: Thermaltake SmarT series 750w (80+ bronze); CASE: Thermaltake Chaser A41.

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Posted · Original PosterOP
21 hours ago, Mateus Montemor said:

During these tests, it reaches 84C i thought it was thermal paste/cooler, but even reapplying it still reached that. About the differences i saw in a few researches that programs reads the cpu have a offset of 20 degrees, idk why but i would trust ryzen master

Yea I've seen that article, but I thought it's for 1xxxx CPU's like 1800x.

 

I've been advised from a guy that knows "a little" about overclocking to change the motherboard to one with more powerful VRM's, I've picked the MSI MEG x570 ACE and hope for more OC compatibilities and stability. Especially memory clocks.

The ASUS Bios with the  "AI Tweaker" is driving me nuts! And I am happy to return this Prime-Pro mobo back where it came from

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You really should be doing per CCX OCing since you have 1 CCX that will be better than the others.

For instance, in my 3900X, CCX0 can do all core 4.5GHz, CCX1 can do 4.4GHz, and the rest are around 4.2.
So if you do all core and one CCX isn't as good, you will be limited to the weakest one.

 


Build Logs: Cotton Candy Threads | ZEN CLARITY + | Just NCASE mITX | Noc Noc | NUC | Storage Log

 

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Posted · Original PosterOP

That's something I haven't thought of, good idea.

And set the voltage? Or just let it do it's crazy 0.9-1.5v?

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24 minutes ago, krzychumz said:

That's something I haven't thought of, good idea.

And set the voltage? Or just let it do it's crazy 0.9-1.5v?

Mine's done fine with auto voltage.


Build Logs: Cotton Candy Threads | ZEN CLARITY + | Just NCASE mITX | Noc Noc | NUC | Storage Log

 

Cotton Candy Threads - CPU AMD Threadripper 2950X | GPU EVGA FTW3 RTX 2080 Ti | MOBO Asus ROG Zenith Extreme | MEMORY 128GB (8x 16GB) Corsair Vengeance RGB 3200 | STORAGE 3x Samsung 960 Evo SSD + 4x Crucial P1 1TB + 2x Seagate Ironwolf 8TB 7.2k HDDs | PSU Corsair HX1200i w/ Cablemod Pro Extensions | COOLING Cooler Master TR4 ML360 | CASE Lian Li O11 Dynamic Black | LIGHTING 2x Corsair HD120 Fans, 4x Corsair Addressable RGB Strips, 2x Corsair Commander Pro | PCPP
 
ZEN CLARITY + - CPU AMD Ryzen 2700X | GPU Radeon VII | MOBO Crosshair VII Hero | MEMORY 32GB (4x 8GB) Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro @ 3200 | STORAGE Samsung 960 Pro SSD + 2x SanDisk Ultra II SSDs | PSU Corsair RM1000i | COOLING Corsair H150i Pro | CASE Crystal 570X | LIGHTING 6x Corsair SP120 Fans, Cablemod Addressable RGB Strip, Corsair Commander Pro | PCPP
 
Just NCASE mITX - CPU Intel Core i7 8700K @ 5.2GHz | GPU EVGA RTX 2080 Ti XC | MOBO Asus Z370-I Gaming | MEMORY 16GB (2x 8GB) G.Skill Triden-Z RGB 3000 | STORAGE Samsung 960 Evo 500GB SSD + Corsair MX500 1TB M.2 SSD | PSU Corsair SF600 | COOLING Noctua NH-U9S w/ Redux Push/Pull Fans | CASE NCase M1v5 | LIGHTING 2x Cablemod Addressable RGB Strips | PCPP
 
Noc Noc, Who's There? - CPU AMD Threadripper 1950X | GPU ASUS RTX 2080 Ti OC | MOBO ASRock X399M Taichi | MEMORY 32GB (4x 8GB) GSkill Trident-Z 3200 | STORAGE Samsung 970 Evo SSD | PSU Corsair HX1000i w/ Cablemod Pro B&W Kit | COOLING Noctua U9 TR4 w/ 2x Redux 92mm | CASE Corsair 280X White | FANS 6x Noctua 140mm Redux | PCPP
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