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Hesitating between two AM4 motherboards

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Posted · Original PosterOP

Hey guys,

I plan on getting the 3950x when it comes out, and I've been trying to decide on a motherboard for the past 2 or so weeks.

The two options I came up with are the x470 Taichi Ultimate, and the x570 Taichi (both from Asrock, duh)

On paper, the choice should be obvious.

Taichi Ultimate has the following pros over the (x570) Taichi:

  • No pesky Chipset Fan
  • Cheaper (I can get it for 270CHF, and the taichi is 340CHF) (NB: CHF-USD conversion rate is roughly 1:1)

It has some other pros (such as the 10 gig lan) and cons (such as the lack of wifi6 and pcie4) that I don't really care about.

I mostly care about 2-3 features when it comes to motherboards: good VRM, external Clear CMOS button, and good-enough bios.

Is there anything I'm missing about those two boards? Such as a feature I should care about, or a flaw that would make one of them drop out entirely?

Also, feel free to recommend another board if you think it would be relevant.

 

 

Like I said, the decision should be obvious, but I can't help but doubt myself a little.

 

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Taichi Ultimate doesn't have BIOS flashback, so you'd have to update the BIOS with an older CPU first before it will recognize a 3rd gen CPU. It's not as good for running a ton of memory fast either (3733+) compared to the X570 Taichi.

 

As for other options... what makes you look at the Taichi series in the first place?


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Posted · Original PosterOP
6 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Taichi Ultimate doesn't have BIOS flashback, so you'd have to update the BIOS with an older CPU first before it will recognize a 3rd gen CPU. It's not as good for running a ton of memory fast either (3733+) compared to the X570 Taichi.

 

As for other options... what makes you look at the Taichi series in the first place?

That's not an issue, since I have a 1st gen ryzen CPU already. I'll be using 3600MHz memory, so I should be fine on that aspect too.

These two motherboards caught my eye because as far as I know, they're the cheapest boards that have an external clear CMOS button as well as a proper VRM (maybe on x470 there are some more, I didn't look too deep into those)

 

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I'd personally take a x570 meg ace, aorus master or crosshair hero over all of them

 

but yeah... if you want something decent you could also look into the lower end, for example the aorus elite, tuf wifi or prime-p


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I AM also looking at the x570 taichi

i hate the x470 they all look worst then the x370s

i would say unless u need 10gig lan

x570 taichi get all those extra fast pci lanes and just new-ness

if u NEED 10 gig lan then go the x470 route or find and x570 with it

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7 minutes ago, thefatman said:

AM also looking at the x570 taichi

then I'd change your ideas... it's really not that good at it's current pricepoint


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your right im also looking at the gigabyte 200 dollar one, but for x570 NONE of them look good at there price points, its about what u want not about the cost YO

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23 minutes ago, sappheon said:

These two motherboards caught my eye because as far as I know, they're the cheapest boards that have an external clear CMOS button as well as a proper VRM (maybe on x470 there are some more, I didn't look too deep into those)

Yay someone who also adores rear panel clear CMOS

 

MSI X470 Carbon and M7, Asus Crosshair VII Hero and Gigabyte Gaming 7 also has clear CMOS. VRM wise M7 and Crosshair are all on the same level as Taichi, the other 2 weaker (Gaming 7 compensates with better heatsink). However in memory overclocking the Taichi is the worst.

 

5 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

then I'd change your ideas... it's really not that good at it's current pricepoint

It's not fair to compare the $300 Taichi to $350+ Ace and Master imo


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Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

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6 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

It's not fair to compare the $300 Taichi to $350+ Ace and Master imo

can i compare it to the aorus pro wifi then?


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Laptop: HP Elitebook 8460p

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27 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

I'd personally take a x570 meg ace, aorus master or crosshair hero over all of them

 

but yeah... if you want something decent you could also look into the lower end, for example the aorus elite, tuf wifi or prime-p

Those are just outside my comfortable price point unfortunately (with the international markup they end up around 400)

I'll take a closer look to the rest you mentioned. (The aorus elite was previously on my radar already)

15 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

then I'd change your ideas... it's really not that good at it's current pricepoint

I actually heard the opposite, that it's got most of the high end features, but is a lot cheaper

 

10 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Yay someone who also adores rear panel clear CMOS

 

MSI X470 Carbon and M7, Asus Crosshair VII Hero and Gigabyte Gaming 7 also has clear CMOS. VRM wise M7 and Crosshair are all on the same level as Taichi, the other 2 weaker (Gaming 7 compensates with better heatsink). However in memory overclocking the Taichi is the worst.

 

It's not fair to compare the $300 Taichi to $350+ Ace and Master imo

I'll look into those as well then, thanks.

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11 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

can i compare it to the aorus pro wifi then?

Sure.


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CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.4?V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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