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Hello! Whenever I am rendering intense loads, the pc will restart - a Kernel Power 41 error is then shown in the event viewer. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am currently running: Win(64) Bios V. 7C84v153(Beta version) 2021-01-04 AMD Ryzen 9 5950X 3.4 GHz 16-Core Noctua NH-D15 CHROMAX.BLACK 82.52 CFM MSI MAG X570 TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX AM4 Corsair Vengeance LPX 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Samsung 970 Evo 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME SSD Western Digital Blue SN550 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME SSD MSI GeForce RTX 3090 24 GB GAMING X TRIO Corsair RM (2019) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I am using: Cinema 4D + Octane to render. I've tried: - updating all drivers - updating bios (had to do anyway because of new gen cpu) - checking temperatures: CPU: 30-40 idle 50-60 full load | GPU: 30-40 idle 50-80 full load (whenever cooler is removed, thermal paste is cleaned off and reapplied) - I've attached the CPU PWR2 cable onto the motherboard - I've even gotten a replacement PSU from ebuyer - Taken XMP profiles 1&2 off, running at stock 2133mhz - Enabled XMP profiles 1&2 with the respective DRAM speeds @3600, 3400, 3200 and even stock 2133 (still crashed when rendering) - Using 1 Ram stick at a time (one stick crashed upon startup - yet windows memory diagnostic test said all was ok?) (testing done @stock 2133mhz) - After testing single channel ram, proceeding to run with dual channel, resulting in a kernel power 41 error - Ran windows memory diagnostic tests - these came back with no errors - checked compatibility of RAM components with motherboard (all good) - Playing games @4k + Max settings does not cause any kernel power 41, however the games do sometimes crash. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Is there anything else someone could suggest I try? It seems to be getting a lot worse today (30/01/2020) I've had 4 Kernel Power 41 Errors in one hour whilst trying to render a scene. Please let me know if I need to post more information , I'm not too sure what else to show. Many thanks, Jaime
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Hey guys, Purpose of this thread: Build a high end Cinema4D/Octane/X-Partices animation system capable of single machine rendering/particle caching as fast as possible. Budget: Open. Range is $3000-$10,000, can go higher if price to performance is justified. Region: USA, Milwaukee Wisconsin. Airflow and Overclock: Air cooled only, no water and no overclocking due to IT department constraints. Learn about near future hardware and how I might want to wait rather than build one now. I make stuff like this (one of my projects): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMCfZL9HgSk I do these solo and they take me forever both on the "I don't know what I'm doing front," and on the rendering/caching front. My manager might be asking if I need to upgrade my system and/or software sometime in the next 12 months. The problem is, I don't know a lot about what hardware (and to some extent, software) I need, or if newer hardware is even worth it. My current hardware: OS: Windows 64bit CPU: Intel i7-6900K @ 3.2 GHz RAM: 128GB SSD: M2 EVO 970 2TB GPU1: Nvidia Quadro M5000 GPU2: Nvidia Quadro M5000 GPU3: Nvidia GTX 1080 My current software: Cinema4D R19 PolyTrans64 PolyTrans64 PTC Granite X-Particles 4 Octane Premiere Pro CC After Effects CC Photoshop CC For research, I recently watched two of LTT's videos on this topic: https://youtu.be/G-90qEJAVkU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EcMKg7awXg Key takeaways: Video 1: Granted, the focus of the first video is all about CAD software (I do not use CAD software), it looks like the Quadro's do a great job at performance over the gaming cards. Nothing modern for me to look at that I've seen though as far as comparisons go. Nvidia's website has over a dozen cards to choose from. Plus, with me likely coming into this next year and with Nvidia's 3000 lineup coming, unsure what I ultimately should be focused on. Video 1: Graphic's cards in SLI in programs such as Solidworks (as shown in first video) does not benefit. That being said, Octane in Cinema4D does use all the cards. However, I am unsure if X-Particles does and this is a very important piece of my workflow. This first video from 2018 lands @ the P6000 for best single card performance. Video 1: Linus says in the first video single core performance is king, but again, focus on that video is CAD software (eg softworks) as opposed to animation software (eg Cinema4D) and I am unsure if that is what I should be focused on. He mentions the core count is important when it comes to rendering, which is important for me because my renders sometimes take 36 hours for a 20 second animation - would really like to get that under 12. Video 2: Looks like the RTX 8000 is what I'd be looking for if I purchased one today. My current workflow is as follows: I am asked by a member of specific departmental management team to animate a particular product we have. I reach out to an engineer in the respective department to provide me the CAD file. They use a program called CREO or ProEngineer. They typically provide those to me in STP file-types. I import those STP files into a program called "PolyTrans64" using their "PTC Granite" Plugin to convert them to .C4D files with a 0.060 quality ratio. Typical assembly count can reach as high as 1800 and the converted C4D files can reach 1.8GB. I do not know if this is the best approach, because the wireframes look like a mess, but the final product often looks nice. See image: (Octane Renderer). I then spend forever organizing the 1,800 objects into null folders, then texturing those objects using textures downloaded from Polligon (because I'll never understand texture creation myself). I then have the managers write me a script, I put it into a script template, and I get to work on animating fluids/gasses/explosions first, then mechanical movements, then render drafts. Frankly as an aside if anyones good at these programs/plugins and are available for private tutoring sessions, please email me @ Smith.Brandon@basco.com. TLDR: I am looking for a high end animation system in Cinema4D/Octane/X-Particles that renders faster, caches faster, and performs better when viewing 2,000 part animation files while simultaneously running ~5,000 particles within the program, and this system will be purchased sometime in the next 12 months and could use your advice. Thanks guys.
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Hi guys, I have an option to buy the ASUS ROG G752VY (GTX 1070, 17in) for a Mobile Octane Render machine, or buy a much less powerful laptop like the acer predator 15 (with 1060 6gb) with a GTX 1080 Ti upgrade for my desktop. Considering their combined value is as almost the same as the ROG G752VY. What makes me uncertain about the 1080ti path is that I have an Intel i7-6700K, which I understand only supports 16 PCIE lanes. I have one GTX 1080 Reference card sitting at my Asus Z170 motherboard now and I plan to use them both. Will the split 8x PCIE mode affect their speeds or bottlenecks in some scenario? Or I'm better of investing with the ROG? Thank you for your time and answers!
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I need either a road case or a rack mount case to transport my 4 GPU rig to a job in September. My current build is in a Corsair Air 540 and will most likely have 4 Hybrids GPU's in it. The CPU is cool with a Corsair H100i V2. I would prefer not to transport the rig with GPU's installed so I would need extra space to sore them in a road case setup. Ideally I would like to also fit at least 2 24" monitors and all of the needed cables. And possibly enough room to bring My Oculus Rift as well. I need to be onsite September 18th. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank You
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Budget: 3,000 USD SOOO... I do a lot of 3D work. If I wanted the perfect build I guess I would buy a bunch of 24 core Xeons and a server BUUUT as I am a simple mortal I guess GPU rendering is the way to go. The amount of money wasted away in render farms has reached a boiling point and I desperately need a PC that can crush Maya, Octane and above all Blender Cycles. I have been diggin arround and I am thinking of putting together the following build. -CPU: Intel 7700k -CPU cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo -Motherboard: Asus Rog Maximus IX Code -Case: Form follows function. I couldn't care less about RGB and all that. So any recomendation would be wellcome. (Thinking of Cooler Master HAF-912) -Ram: HyperX Impact 32gb DDR4 2400mhz (16gb x 2) -Graphics C: Dual GTX 1080 Ti in SLI Please Note that this PC would be non stop rendering for several days. So all components need to be able to withstand all of that strain. Yes, I am the biggest noob when speaking of PC building. I don't even know hoy to put it together myself. Good thing Linus has a bunch of videos for that tho... Thank you for your help!!!!!
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Hi all, I am helping my gf build a dual boot windows/hackintosh for her content creation work using Octane (GPU Render) and After Effects. I have minimal pc building experience but have watched a ton of linustechtips so this build will be quite the experience. The pc build is currently: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HfJN8K 2x GTX 1080 Ti for Octane First buy one then another in the future 64 GB of RAM for After Effects 2x 250GB M.2 NVME for Windows and Mac dual boot and fast content transfer The motherboard is the Asus Strix Z270F Data Sheet: http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/LGA1151/STRIX_Z270F_GAMING/E12193_STRIX_Z270F_GAMING_UM_V2_WEB.pdf?_ga=2.13433207.1774186167.1506715735-702477231.1506715735 My concern is whether the motherboard can handle everything pcpartpicker lists the only compatibility issue as: "The motherboard M.2 slot #2 shares bandwidth with a SATA 6.0 Gb/s port. When the M.2 slot is populated, one SATA 6.0 Gb/s port is disabled." I crossed in red, my understanding of SATA ports disabled when connecting the two M.2 drives. I am somewhat confused for M.2_2. Does it mean SATA5 and SATA6 are disabled and a x4 PCIE channel is used up? Can the motherboard's PCIE handle 2x GPUs, 2x M.2 drives, and WiFi PCIE adapter card?
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Hey, I've been replacing my 980 ti's in my render rig with 1080 ti's. Now i have 2x 1080 ti but the motherboard still has room/support for a third card, but i can't get the system to work properly if i add a 980 ti. This is not a SLI configuration or anything, i just want the cuda cores for Octane render, which usually isn't a problem. I had the same issue when i tried running the system with 1x 1080 ti and 2x 980 ti, only one 980 ti would be detected. Is this a problem with the motherboard or is there some problem mixing Pascal + Maxwell? Now i just have a 980 ti sitting on my desk which could be of great use for it's cuda cores or just giving me display performance while the other two cards are rendering. This is my rig: ROG X99 Gaming 5930k 64 gb ram 2x 1080 ti Has anyone experienced something similar? I have no idea what to do. Thanks, appreciate any help i can get!
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should i use this graphics card for octane rendering or buy a better one? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814137056&cm_re=gtx-_-14-137-056-_-Product
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So I hope the staff may read this, since you guys have a in with Intel. From what ASUS is telling me and from my own trying to install the Optane memory software. The 9Th Gen ie I5 is not supported at this time. Anybody hear about when this will happen, from what I have been reading, not the only person having a 9th gen issue and Optane
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Was wondering which of these is the perfect GPU for Blender & Cinema4D: Vega 56 GTX 1070 Ti Quadro P2000 I will be using it for rendering and modeling the renderer I'm using is Octane
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I'm learning motion graphics, trying to increase my portfolio i'm planing to build a pc until the end of the year. These are the parts that i have on my list: Ryzen 7 2700X ATX X470 AORUS GAMING 5 16 gb of ram (not sure which one) Gtx 950 that i already have (planing to upgrade later to use octane) So, what you guys think, i'm not sure what Power supply i'll need, about the gpu im thinking around a 1070ti. Have in mind that im not a professional, this build is to upgrade my oldie i5 4400.
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So im thinking about buying a new pc for mostly renders and 3d work and i want to get a pre built one from my local PC shop here in Sweden but i need to know if this is a bit over kill and if its a good deal for how much i'm paying. ------------------------------------------- Corsair Carbide 275R Midi Tower Black Corsair CX850M, 850W PSU Intel Core i7-8700K Processor Corsair Hydro Series H100i v2 CPU Cooler Ballistix Sport LT DDR4 16GBx2 ASUS ROG STRIX Z370-F Gaming, S1151 NVIDIA TITAN Xp 12GB GDDR5X PCI-E Samsung 960 EVO 500GB M.2 PCIe SSD Seagate Firecuda 2TB 3.5" SSHD Windows 10 Home OA Total: 32.022,20 SEK ($3 599,62) Im going to finance so il pay around 110$ a month
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Hello. Im looking into financing in a pre built pc that cost around $3600. The specs are: NZXT H700i White Corsair CX850M, 850W PSU Intel Core i7-8700K Processor Corsair Hydro Series H100i v2 CPU Cooler Ballistix Sport LT DDR4 16GBx2 ASUS ROG STRIX Z370-F Gaming, S1151 NVIDIA TITAN Xp 12GB GDDR5X PCI-E Samsung 960 EVO 500GB M.2 PCIe SSD Seagate Firecuda 2TB 3.5" SSHD This is the build im thinking of getting. I will do a mixture of gaming at mostly 1080p and also some work in c4d and after effects. I got a few questions. 1: How much can i overclock the i7-8700K to? And will i need to get a more powerfull CPU Cooler if i decided to overclock it? 2: Can i overclock my ram? If so, please tell me if i need a new motherboard. 3. Do i need more than 6 cores? I've heard that the i7-8700K is a beast but im not sure if i need more than 6 cores. Please comment if you think that i need to change some parts out for others.
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Hey everyone, first time poster. I'm getting ready to start purchasing parts for my new build (first build ever, in fact), and wanted to get last minute impressions from the folks on this forum. I'm going with the Cerberus small form factor case, which shouldn't leave a lot of room. Originally I was going to go with a water cooler, but my fear of leakage got the best of me and I switched over to the NH-C14S. The graphics cards are pretty much going to be whatever i can get at a good deal over time. I'll start out with a single 1080 FE or 1080 ti, and hopefully add another in when the 1160 is released. I'm going with the blower model since there probably won't be a lot of air movement in the case (which is also why i'm loading up on case fans). What does everyone think? Has anyone built with a Cerberus case, and if so what was your experience like? Thanks! PCPartPicker Build Permalink CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($298.99 @ SuperBiiz) CPU Cooler: Noctua - NH-C14S 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($74.90 @ Amazon) Motherboard: MSI - Z370M GAMING PRO AC Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($146.38 @ Newegg) Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($360.98 @ Newegg) Storage: Samsung - 970 Evo 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($109.99 @ Amazon) Storage: Samsung - 970 Evo 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($109.99 @ Amazon) Video Card: NVIDIA - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB Founders Edition Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($729.99 @ Amazon) Video Card: NVIDIA - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB Founders Edition Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($729.99 @ Amazon) Case: Kimera - KIC11U Cerberus Mini MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($290.99) Power Supply: SilverStone Technology SX800-LTI 800W, SFX-L, 80 Plus Titanium, Modular Power Supply with Japanese Capacitors ($179.99) Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit ($129.89 @ OutletPC) Case Fan: Prolimatech - PRO-USV14-WH 98.0 CFM 140mm Fan Case Fan: Prolimatech - PRO-USV14-WH 98.0 CFM 140mm Fan Case Fan: Noctua - NF-A9 PWM 46.4 CFM 92mm Fan ($16.59 @ OutletPC) Case Fan: Noctua - NF-A12x15 PWM 55.4 CFM 120mm Fan ($19.95 @ Amazon) Total: $3198.62
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Hello guys i have this build in mind: http://pcpartpicker.com/list/rzzhgL I'm abit confused as to how will this work, especially rendering with Octane Render in Cinema 4D (you don't need SLI to be more effective). I just need to know if the speed of the two GTX 1070s has a bottleneck when both will be running at x8, as I understand that the 6700K only supports a maximum number of PCIe lanes (x16). Or should I get 1 GTX 1080 instead?
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Hi guys, I'm planning a PC build that I'll be using for GPU based rendering using OctaneRender, and Gaming (Fallout 4, etc). The only part I'm carrying forward from my current system is a recently purchased ASUS GTX 970 Strix Direct CU II OC, which I'll use as the main card for my 2 monitors. The 2 980 Ti's will be purely used by Octane for 3D rendering. It's worth noting as well that SLI will be disabled as Octane doesn't support it. So it will be the 970 powering my gaming, which it's currently doing just fine! I built my current setup so I'm not 'new' to this... BUT I've never watercooled a system before. So this is where I turn to you! I've started listing a few of the parts I'll need, but would be good to get any advice. I still need to choose some rads, fans and fittings, which I haven't had a chance to look at yet, but hoping you could guide me. I'm looking to do a hard tubing custom loop too. Budget was around £3k which I've already blown, but this is an investment and so I'm flexible. Within reason http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/NQMWVn CPU: Intel Core i7-5930K 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor (£461.98 @ Novatech) Motherboard: Asus X99-A/USB 3.1 ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard (£221.32 @ Amazon UK) RAM: Corsair Dominator Platinum 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory (£232.08 @ Ebuyer) Storage: Samsung 950 PRO 256GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive (£134.99 @ Amazon UK) GPU: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6GB Superclocked+ ACX 2.0+ Video Card (2-Way SLI) (£559.86 @ Amazon UK) GPU: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6GB Superclocked+ ACX 2.0+ Video Card (2-Way SLI) (£559.86 @ Amazon UK) GPU: ASUS GTX 970 Strix Direct CU II OC 4GB (Already Purchased For £296.34) Case: Corsair 750D Airflow Edition ATX Full Tower Case (£136.99 @ Amazon UK) PSU: Corsair RM 1000W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£136.90 @ Amazon UK) OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM (64-bit) Res & Pump: EKWB EK-XRES 140 Revo D5 PWM - Glass (£108.77) Water Block: EK-FC970 GTX Strix - Nickel [Strix 970 Water Block] (£82.72) Water Block: EK-FC Titan X - Nickel [980 Ti Water Block] x2 (£166.94) Water Block: EK-Supremacy EVO X99 - Nickel [X99 CPU Water Block] (£44.77) Other: EK-FC Titan X Backplate - Nickel [980 Ti Backplate] x2 (£57.64) Other: EK-FC970 GTX Strix Backplate - Nickel [Strix 970 Backplate] (£28.82) Total: £3229.98 Thanks for your help!
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Hi! I'm aiming to build new pc. I want to know what you guys think about this set up? What can be improved? 1. Budget - $1800-$1900 2. Aim I'm going to use this pc for 3D applications, Photoshop and Octane rendering engine. 3.Monitors 2x Full HD monitors 4.Peripherials None needed 5.Why are you upgrading? I'm upgrading because I have 4 years old pc and I want to use new pc for Octane so it renders faster. I need video card with more memory because current one only has 2GB and I use dual monitor set up so about 500mb+ is being used already. I need pc that can handle 2 GPUs. Here are old pc specs : -i7 3770k 3.50GHz, DDR3 32gb ram, GTX 680, PSU Thermaltake Smart 630W (80 plus) model SP-630AH2NH. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- New pc build: - i7 5820k 3.3 GHz - https://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80648i75820k - MOBO MSI X99A SLI PLUS/ 2.1 socekt 2011v3 - https://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-motherboard-x99asliplus - GPU: -1x EVGA 980ti SC+ http://www.evga.com/products/Specs/GPU.aspx?pn=3cdfab4c-0eab-44b7-8f32-2a6780a37c4b -1x GTX 680 from the old PC - Ram Crucial 16 GB DDR4 2400MHz - PSU Thermaltake Toughpower Grand 1050W - http://www.thermaltake.com/products-model.aspx?id=C_00001717 - HD Seagate 2TB - CPU cooling - Hydro Series H90 140mm - http://www.corsair.com/en/hydro-series-h90-140mm-high-performance-liquid-cpu-cooler -Case - Corsair Carbride 300R - http://www.corsair.com/en/carbide-series-300r-compact-pc-gaming-case PSU and processor is enough to run two GPUs? Thanks for help!
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Config - i5 4690 + GA-Z97X-SOC Force + 4 NVIDIA GPUs Purpose - GPU rendering (octane render), which does not require SLI. Cannot work with ATI. Non-Gaming rig. Will the i5 4690 work with 4 GPUs on GA-Z97X-SOC Force ? I am wondering because the CPU only allows maximum 16 PCI Express lanes, and this motherboard, in a 4 GPUs setup, works in a 8x4x4x4x distribution, which is more than 16x. So my query is that, can this motherboard adopt to a 4x4x4x4x distribution in case of an i5 4690 ? I really hope it can because I dont want to go upto the X99 platforms due to budget constraints. And this config is already beyond my budget. Thanks for helping guys. Hoping for some responses.
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Hello everyone! I'm planning on upgrading my workstation for the following applications. I'm a freelance 3D artist specializing in 3D sculpting so I spend a good deal of time in Zbrush, Maya, Photoshop, Mari and Octane ( for all my rendering ). I also do a fair bit of motion graphics work in After-Effects and video editing in Premiere. I also have 3x somewhat old and miss matched 1920/1080 monitors, however, I'm hoping to upgrade to a primary 4k IPS display soon. My budget is around 3,000 USD I don't plan on doing any manual overclocking. I shopped for this build on Newegg as I have had many good experiences with them in the past. Here is what I have so far... CPU - Intel Core i7-5820K CPU heat sink - be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 3 Silentwings [ Might be a bit overkill for not overclocking but I run my workstation fairly hard so I wanted a nice heatsink. I also like what Linus did in the silent build guild, I'm not necessary going for an ultra silent rig but it would be nice to have things be a little less noisy. Maybe I could get away with removing the outermost fan? ] MB - ASUS X99-A/USB 3.1 __ or __ MSI X99A SLI KRAIT EDITION USB 3.1 [ I'm having a bit of difficulty deciding on which board I should get. I like the idea of having USB 3.1 if there is another board that I'm overlooking that has better comparability with the rest of my build and higher reliability I'm willing to walk away on the USB 3.1 ] RAM - CORSAIR Vengeance LPX 64GB (8 x 8GB) 2133 _ or _ 2400 ( Right now these are stupid expensive, about double from the lst time I looked at it, but I think that's just because it's out of stock on Newegg ) [ Again not really sure which one is the right choice here, I don’t plan on doing any overclocking, but they are close to the same price. ] GPU - 1X GIGABYTE GV-N98TG1 GAMING-6GD GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6GB [ I will be adding a second card once I can afford it, the main reason for this is that Octane and Mari use a lot of GRAM ] SSD - Intel 750 Series SSDPEDMW400G4R5 HHHL (CEM2.0) 400GB PCIe NVMe 3.0 x4 MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) _ or _ SAMSUNG 850 PRO MZ-7KE512BW 2.5" 512GB SATA III 3-D Vertical Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) [ OK so this is the one part of this build, besides the motherboard, that I have gone back and forth on the most. At this pint, I really don't know whether or not the PCIe SSD will grant any significant performance improvements over a traditional SATA 3 SSD for my work. And if it's not I really don’t want to take up any PCIe lanes given that the i7-5820 only has 28 and I want to run 2X GTX 980 Tis. ] HDD storage drive - Western Digital Blue WD6400AAKS 640GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive Bare Drive Case - Phanteks Phanteks Enthoo Series Primo PSU - CORSAIR RM Series RM1000 1000W UPS - APC BR1500G Back-UPS Pro 1500VA 10-outlet Uninterruptible Power Supply (UPS) [ This has become more important recently because apparently Thor and Zeus are having some sort of grudge match over most of NY State this summer leading to frequent strong electrical storms... ] OS - Microsoft Windows 10 Professional - Full Version (Download) I think that just about covers the build so far... I really appreciate any advice you guys might have on this. I have been really out of date with what's been going on in the realm of hardware for quite some time and things have changed a good deal since my last build about six years ago. Also, because this is my fist post on the forums, I wanted say how much I have enjoyed watching the LinusTechTips YouTube channel, it brings back memories of watching shows like The Screen Savers on ZD/Tech TV when I was younger. Thanks for your time! Jason Burns Portfolio - http://www.jasonthomasburns.com/
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