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Hi, As Win 11 has TPM requirement and I'm not sure exactly how it works (and yes i used the search but i didn't fine answer to my questions) i have a couple of questions. 1. If i enable TPM module in the BIOS, but i don't use Bit-locker, does this change anything in Windows or it just covers the requirement without using it? (for example will this lock my boot-loader and I'm unable to access this drive outside my machine or via other boot like USB?) 2. If i enable and use the TPM in the BIOS and i setup Bit-locker, will i be able to access my drive in case the motherboard or anything else die in the PC, or the windows itself get corrupted and i boot the PC using USB drive to recover some files from the drive? 3. Using TPM and Bit-locker, will i be still able to setup different boot OS on different drives, like for example Win 11 on C and Win 10 on D, Linux on G etc.

A bit late but i thought its worth it. I have the same issue and i have contacted gigabyte support (I'm also from EU) Here is their answer: 1. What is the normal temperature range you consider OK for the VRAM on this GPU model? A: We do not have related information for reference. As mentioned in previous mail, our engineer had tested this graphics card in normal usage and gaming without problem found. If there is any problem with your graphics card, because we can hardly define the root cause without looking at the platform, kindly contact your supplier (where you bought the product) and they shall follow a standard warranty/RMA procedure. 2. Does re-paste the GPU voids the warranty? Please answer clearly. As mentioned in previous mail, if there is any damage while taking a part the hardware, then it will void warranty. The failure caused by improper installation, operation, cleaning or maintenance, accidental and physical damage, misuse, abuse, or other modification, remedy taken by GIGABYTE or service centers not authorized by GIGABYTE. If there is any problem with the hardware, because the warranty depends on your supplier, please contact your supplier and let them help you to do further examination. So basically, replacing thermal pads and paste does not void your warranty as long as you do not damage anything in the process or in consequence of it.

The CPU is designed to go in this temps, you can't report cinebench and prime 95 temps without the CPU frequencies on all cores, otherwise this info is useless. At 4.3 ghz all cores i won't go over 65C, at 4.6 ghz all cores you will hardly get it under 80c. As AMD explained, the CPU will boost frequencies until it reaches the limits. Here is a quote from AMD page. These steps are important because Precision Boost 2 is dependent on several factors including, but not limited to: Processor temperature Type of workload Number of active cores Power consumption (watts) from the processor socket Current draw (amps) from the motherboard power delivery circuits Proper firmware and software configuration Operating system optimizations Maximum boost frequency limit (product specification) When the processor has headroom in these categories, and the active workload requires additional performance, Precision Boost 2 will automatically raise frequencies until one or more of the above limits is reached. When/if the limit is reached, processor frequencies will automatically level off to a steady-state condition for ongoing performance enhancement. Throughout this process, the processor can monitor conditions and adjust frequencies up to 1000 times per second. As a result, achieving maximum boost frequency and the sustained boost conditions observed by you will depend on the application and workload. So as i said, reporting CPU temps, without reporting CPU frequencies and voltages is kinda useless. PB2 will eat any cooling headroom you have to boost higher frequencies, especially in synthetic benchmarks. You can set manual frequencies in your bios, but you gonna loose single core boost to much higher frequencies like 4.8-4.9 ghz. So i strongly suggest to the people with loud CPU coolers, limit your cooler fans to 80% or whatever you feel not laud and the CPU will follow your cooler capacity.

Didn't try any different DP cable, same cable on all cards but i think its not the cable. I read this on Nvidia forums, as the guy had exactly the same issue. "Okay the problem is that my main monitor has a blurry/ fuzzy resolution, I can see everything but it isn't clear. And when I move a program to the other screen it's totally clean. I never had this problem until I installed my new GPU (MSI geforce GTX 970 Gaming 100 ME). I switched cables, checked drivers and resolutions. After that I started searching in forums. But nothing has helped. " It turned out its some bug in the drivers that is fixed only by DDU usage for full uninstall of drivers. Perhaps this is exactly what happened to me as i did DDU before installing the new 3080 and maybe the difference is from that.

Nope its not driver sharpening, when i switched back earlier to 970 i triple checked all settings.

No I'm developer not an idiot altho its close , i know how to put my monitor to mex res... lol And i even put back the 970 just to test... its most certainty something going on. Maybe my monitor is picky or something idk.

Previously i have owned 970 and 2070 super, today my 3080 (gigabyte gaming oc) came. And what i have noticed immediately is that with the 3080 the picture is more "focused" or "sharper" somehow and I'm not talking about games , its everywhere, windows , apps, browser, games every where. My monitor is the same and my DP cable is the same (probably 6 years old). So i wondered, what is the cause for the better picture quality? could it be the new DP port version on the 3080 or something else, its very strange to me and i can't explain this, anyone else seen such thing? its like i had tiny more blurred picture before and now is back to focus and i never seen such thing.

Going to 90C for 5800x is by design. Its the Precision Boost 2 (Not to be mistaken with PBO) , it basically clock itself up and up until it reach 85-90C so regardless of cooler it will always go there, and depending on the cooler will reach higher or lower frequencies. With better cooler will be at 4.6-4.7ghz all cores at around 90C while with worse cooler it will be something like 4.3-4.4 at around 90C. And the CPU firmware controls that, on 5600x for example this is much less aggressive so that's why you see less temps there, but 5600x is meant for gamers, while 5800x is meant for content creators + gamers. Note that you won't see those 90c temps in games ever, this is just as absolute torture on the CPU. I have tried couple of coolers for my 5800x, iand they all go to up to 90C even with my Noctua 15S, it just boosts a bit more. According to Robert Hallock, Zen 3 is intended to get that hot: "Yes. I want to be clear with everyone that AMD views temps up to 90C (5800X/5900X/5950X) and 95C (5600X) as typical and by design for full load conditions. Having a higher maximum temperature supported by the silicon and firmware allows the CPU to pursue higher and longer boost performance before the algorithm pulls back for thermal reasons.

I prefer none stock XT for the extra quietness and even under-volt it, the red devil has the best thermals so far so it could achieve the best quietness, and I'm happy to pay the extra for that. I'm using only Noctua fans, and so far my PC is almost inaudible and i prefer it to stay that way Stock cards and also lower tier cards like Ventus etc are quite noisy for me, and if i pick such card i would seriously undervolt it and made custom fan curves for sure.

According to our local stores, basically, i could buy 3080 now or up to December of 15 (a little overpriced Ventus and other like it lower class editions) OR Wait for something like Red Devil 6800 XT in February OR wait for the upcoming 3080 20GB in February or march As long as they are not very overpriced, money are not the issue, playing on 4k with 5800x 32gb ram. (little insider info, our local stores said that the big suppliers will stop work on 15h of December and reopen and start re-supplying on 20th January, so earliest deliveries are in February .)

No further comment your honor

Yeah, they ignored my e-mails too, what a nice company turned out to be wow.

The problem with DCH drivers is with windows, as it is windows who chooses them and install them by default, but you can always switch, how? Google it. it's a known issue from Microsoft, be more prepared when you talk... There is no fanboyism I told you already based on my exp and official reviews confirming those issues by GN, you should research and give facts as I did, but judging by your ignorance about DCH drivers and who's fault is this, I can't accept your opinions to have any credibility to me. have a nice day.

Apperantly you don't watch Gamers Nexus, but my personal expirience with amd gpu drivers is the same as shown in GN from a very long time, buggy, glitchy and half working, Nvidia does not force DCH drivers, you are doing something wrong, and yes control panel interface feels old in design but it's working and that's what matters to me. Ofc nvidia is not perfect I have seen bugs and issues, but in 15 + years I have never had an major issue with their drivers, and I had alot of major issues with amd drivers, and its a fact that is admited by the industry, not only my opinion, so in drivers department amd need to work a lot more.

amd driver and improvement is oxymoron

80c is high temp for 90% usage, seems your case have bad cooling and gpu vram is prolly overheating. Also disable asynchronous gpu fan cooling with msiafterbuner. I have 2070 Super ventus and it does not go over 74 at 100% usage.

I have 2070 Super and 1440p monitor and I can't run games like Control, AC, Metro Exodus, RDR2 on ultra at 60fps. But on high sure. So I guess 2060 super will be medium to high for 60fps on the heaviest games, and fine on not so heavy titles. There are plenty of benchmarks on Hardware Unboxed channel, I suggest to take a look and decide for yourself depending on the titles and settings you are going for.

Yeah, there are mostly TV's and some PC monitors that have upscaler too, so on them its fine if you change the resolution, but this is rather new, most PC monitors don't have upscalers and anything different then native is just terrible. That's why consoles 900p looks decent on 4k TV, as assets are internally rendered at 900p, sharpened and output signal is 1080p and then TV upscale it to 4k.

I had similar problem, turns out its the asynchronous cooling feature that is on by default (one fan spin a lot faster and noisy while the other is slower). Make sure that asynchronous cooling is off and use synchronous cooling only via the MSI Afterburner. Also use MSI custom fan curve.

Try to add additional heat pipes like this https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32835290531.html from the GPU cooler radiator(with or without cutting anything) to the CPU radiator to see what will happen with the temps and cooling and if GPU temps will lower transferring heat from GPU to CPU cooler.

Well, problem solved! I have contacted MSI, and we spoke about it. It turns out its some new stupid feature called "asynchronous cooling", and what basically this does is one of the GPU fans works at 80% while the other is chilling at 45-50%. This feature is on by default and it is supposed to be more efficient and quite , which may be true for casual gaming but definitely not for 100% constant GPU stress. The Fix? enable "synchronous cooling" in MSI Afterburner, now both fans are running at around 55-65% under 100% stress and the card is reasonably quite... In normal games now my fans are below 50% and the card is holding 67-69C and basically cannot be heard. But anyway, i will purchase someday copper heat pipes and test this theory to see what will happen

Yea i agree, transfer is the big issue here. But with some tiny aliexpress heat pipes stick inside the radiator instead of touching the other heat pipes might prove much better. Also its not about saving some cash to throw CPU cooler there, i just want to try and explore none invasive methods first that won't void the warranty of the GPU itself, if that fails then CPU cooler with mod for vram or liquid is the obvious choice.

I agree experimentation is needed. To complete the info here is the situation. I test under 100% GPU stress as i want to push the GPU as much as it can, but i don't want to hear that noise, so fan curves won;t help for 100% GPU Usage. In fact the GPU (MSI 2070 Super ventus) down clock from 1935mhz to 1905mhz to keep it going above 74C My GPU temps are up to 74C and GPU fans at around 70-80%. At the same time at constant GPU and CPU stress at 100%, my CPU never goes above 60C (Apparently i did good job cooling the CPU R5 3600 To understand me better, here is a picture of the whole PC. At the front there are 2x massive 200mm fans for intake. and one exhaust at the back (Positive pressure). What i have tried is adding more exhaust fans all nocturnes 120mm (top), adding more intake fans (Top) , adding fan on top of the PSU shroud as intake or exhaust, adding fan behind the the GPU at the back of the case. Removing front and top intake mesh, does not have any effect. And all this, GPU temp don't bunch, maybe at most 1C. Even at the back of the case its coming cool and not hot air. The Hot air is in the back exhaust fan and top. The Top of the case is also entirely open with dust filter too. What all that means, is that the case and the GPU receive enough cool air inside, and more air does not provide better cooling except if air is below ambient temp i guess. What that means is that everything else except some GPU mod in terms of case cooling is done and tested, and this is the best GPU cooling can do. Normally the temp of the GPU is fine and there is no issues, but like i said i don't like the fans to be that laud, and GPU fans are fine, i have tested them too, its not defective or anything. What you suggested to replace GPU fans, i have already tested this mod on another GPU card i have an old 970 and the temps are slightly worse and the noise is still there altho slightly better, and it also requires modification of the GPU bios to set proper curve for the new fans. So, i wonder what can i do to make those GPU quite on AIR! My GPU fans are fine and I'm happy with their noise level at around 60%, but not above that. So i need to improve the cooling just a bit. Perhaps if i change the GPU thermal paste with liquid metal could make the difference, idk. Damn i want some custom GPU aftermarket coolers that are better then stock stuff.

I have seen Linus video, and this is done long time ago and its known to be working, my idea is kinda different. I guess i could just buy some copper pipes like this https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32759351235.html. Bend them somehow and stick them in both radiators and see what happens Or maybe Linus could do this experiment for me lol.