Pitboy64

Actually thats pretty darn good, better than the OG.
... unfortunately I doubt they will use it ... they dont go for new stuff often.

Actually thats pretty darn good, better than the OG.
... unfortunately I doubt they will use it ... they dont go for new stuff often.

Honestly, just trying to come up with something that will work to solve this,
so viewers who do prefer to watch live, can find info on long delays ... that is all.
What they have obviously doesnt work, as a bunch of people here agree.
And many more in chats (in this case the 24 hour video chat, at the time last friday),
that complained of the excessive wait.

There likely is no 'perfect answer',
this was just an idea, and an opportunity to vent that waiting sucks... if an easy solution to communicate better means we dont need to.
 

Too often, we find ourselves sitting in front of our computers, awaiting the beginning of the WAN Show.  Usually, it invariably begins, often a bit late ... occasionally VERY late ... today, its 8pm Vancouver time and it still hasnt started, no post anywhere we know about; no tweet, nada FB post, and certainly no LTT Forum post informing the dirty masses that its running late, or potentially not starting at all.
 
When awaiting the show, a lowly viewer may tend to peruse various LTT feeds on the interwebs, in an attempt to find any info on the possibility as to when the WAN show will begin ... if at all.  One in this moment may think "gee ... maybe I should check the ever-famous one stop shop that is LTT Forums.
 
While one attempts this, one realizes just how fruitless it truly is.  How could any sort of a timely update regarding the WAN show be on the LTT forum ... if there is no thread on this forum, specific to the WAN show for anyone to check?  Well ... there isnt  ... at all.  It just doesnt exist.
 
Am I wasting my Friday evening awaiting a show that will never come?  Can I perhaps do something useful in my life for a while ... pop out to the store ... change the babies diaper ... if I knew the show was going to start late?

But no, we know nothing, we are just left hanging.  
Do we ... matter so little as to not deserve any sort of update notification at all?

Lets assume that LTT, LMG and all attributing conglomerate properties attached to the WAN show actual gave a crap about what the rest of us are doing on a Friday ... awaiting a show even though we have no idea if it will start at all, or if it did ... when?
 
Therefore, a formal LTT Forum suggestion:

A pinned thread on the forum main page, titled simply WAN SHOW.

A staff person: probably Linus or Luke or Dan be charged with the job of posting the known approximate time for the show to start, once the information is available (be it team meetings or key person communications through the day or early evening), and this thread be used to post the expected showtime, or forward that the show is cancelled ... on this forum thread.

If concerned, this particular thread could even have user comments turned off so it doesnt fill up with the usual meanderings of responders ... it could literally be focused on just one way facts: When the show is expected to start, or if it is cancelled.  It could even grow someday into providing a bit more info on what to expect during the show, subjects, topics, etc.

Week after week this single one way communication would just be there, creating knowledge, warmth and comfort for WAN show viewer angst ... like now ... its 8:30pm Vancouver time ... and around the world ... we are just simply ghosted.
 
Sure, stuff happens, even emergencies ... lots of reasons why it may be late or cancelled ... and all those are perfectly fine, LL&D are people ... stuff happens, everyone has families, no problem.  BUT no one even thinking about the massive amounts of viewers left hanging, or just not bothering to let us know that 'unforeseen circumstances' or whatever have happened. 
 
Whats missing is a simple process, a small delegation, a momentary attention to an extremely dedicated crowd.
 
Not one staff person is tasked with just dropping a note. And if there was, theres nowhere to drop it.

Thats honestly not good enough, we deserve a little more than just being "oh, dont worry about the viewers ... they'll just be there, whenever we get around to it, we dont need to tell them anything".

Linus ... Do better.

Admin: dont unilaterally boot this, please kick it up the food chain to LTT, let it be discussed.
 
Thank You,
Pitboy

Soo ... has Dan and the Engineering people at LMG see this thread and watch JamesdB's videos on this?  Might be worth a bit of an update on WAN?

So ... just last week, I pulled the switch and threw $77 Canadian at joining Floatplane for the year, pretty much only for LTT membership, so I could enjoy a better Wan Show chat experience.

... well ... that wasnt such good timing ...
at this moment I donno if I really wanna even watch Wan Show at all.

Here's the thing, I kinda realized that in this space, you just have to focus your ingestion of content based on what you want to experience, or need to know, and direct that need to the channel that you are completely comfortable with getting exactly that information or entertainment.

- If its about RAM timing overclocking, or PCB breakdowns, its Actually Hardware Overclocking and Buildzoid.

- If its interesting part oddities and seriously hard core LN2 overclocking, De8auer or sometimes Bearded.

- If its quality monitor reviews I can trust, There's literally no one better than Tim At Hardware Unboxed.  He has the only Youtube testing process I trust, its the same every time.

- If its case reviews, GPU and CPU detailed reviews ... before pulling the pin on a $ purchase, Its GN Steve all the way.  Perhaps one day we can add PSU, Fans and other stuff to the list.  If Im going to spend money, I go here, I can trust the methodology and trust the numbers.

... if I want to see timely light hearted news about tech or gaming, or watch unboxing of tech I'm unlikely to buy ... or more importantly just looking for some train accident entertainment like just how many USB's can I plug into a system ... I watch LMG's channels.  They are good at asking odd questions like this, and delivering.  Its this type of content that drove LMG to the top of the heap viewer and $ wise.

All that said;
I have learned too many times in too many ways,
... in not the long term history but as recently as last week:
 
(Linus actually recommended for grandpa to buy an Alienware prebuild with a proprietary motherboard/case combo, ie; growing the E-waste pile, so you cant just throw out the case or the motherboard, but get to throw out both when anything fails), This was really a bad call;
 
... LTT isn't about exacting quality of review, or about product purchase recommendations ...
its about the fun and the potential for some good ol' trainwreck. 
 
This has its place in the tech world ... just as Americas Got Talent has a place in the world of music;  Occasionally something good happens, but more often than not its just stuff.
 
Seriously tho, I just dont go here for actual $ purchasing recommendations,
and I dont see this changing with Labs ... but why?
 
What is unfortunate, is that Linus in his response here, missed or chose to not comment on the guts of what Steve had to say; LTT pushes high quantity content out so fast, that no one can guarantee quality or accuracy, its actually impossible to do both, more staff people will not fix it, neither will processes that could catch mistakes.  The whole model is one of self implosion.  
 
Linus, maybe you do actually need to watch that staff roast video, and really listen to what they actually do say.  They have a vested interest in the success of the company, if so many people are actually saying what Brandon did ... and they are saying the same thing, then maybe you should listen.
 
Terren ... this is on you, seriously thar new bud ... look into this.
Someone needs to take what happened here onboard, and make a decision or two.
Linus has made the company into a good thing, but has also made some critical mindset fails, and the company is losing face.  Maybe Steve opened the door today, but the issues are not new, we have heard Linus say for a long time now ... he will not spend money to reshoot or properly fix a video.
 
That has to change.
 
If keeping an incorrect video online because you just cant spend a couple hundred ... or five hundred dollars for a host, shooter and editor time to fix a bad mouse review mistake moment ... to ensure the viewers get good information, and the fear of lost revenue or a pissed sponsor is the risk of pulling and replacing a video when its too late and taking the hit ... then something in that decision making model needs to change.
 
and no ... a quick splashed text on the screen or a pinned comment doesn't count, in the case of the mouse, I didnt see the pinned comment, I didnt scroll down ... the mouse was just no good.  That video should have been pulled and re recorded ... period.
 
What this means, and what I realized a long while ago ... I just keep in mind to not trust any LMG content, with my wallet open.
 
But I'll still watch the Wan Show and click on the fun, I just have to turn off actual purpose.
Kinda like reading a grocery store cashier lineup tabloid rag.
Catch the title, enjoy the joke, scoff at the ludicrousness ... but leave it on the shelf.
Is this what LMG and LTT will always be for me?
 
The future? Thats up to Terren.

Yes. 
 
Possible, but not likely. I've seen this on a few brand new boards since TPMs started being enabled by default thanks to Windows 11. It's a scary message, but it's a pretty common scary message that doesn't mean much unless you had already enabled Bitlocker. 
 
Either the site you read this from is wrong or you misinterpreted it slightly. It's not the computer itself that will become a paperweight, it's the Windows install that would become broken. If you had Bitlocker enabled, you'll boot into Windows, it'll ask for a recovery key, and if you don't have one you'll be forced to format the drive and reinstall to be able to use said drive for a Windows OS. If you never enabled Bitlocker or even installed Windows, nothing will happen. 

Too often, we find ourselves sitting in front of our computers, awaiting the beginning of the WAN Show.  Usually, it invariably begins, often a bit late ... occasionally VERY late ... today, its 8pm Vancouver time and it still hasnt started, no post anywhere we know about; no tweet, nada FB post, and certainly no LTT Forum post informing the dirty masses that its running late, or potentially not starting at all.
 
When awaiting the show, a lowly viewer may tend to peruse various LTT feeds on the interwebs, in an attempt to find any info on the possibility as to when the WAN show will begin ... if at all.  One in this moment may think "gee ... maybe I should check the ever-famous one stop shop that is LTT Forums.
 
While one attempts this, one realizes just how fruitless it truly is.  How could any sort of a timely update regarding the WAN show be on the LTT forum ... if there is no thread on this forum, specific to the WAN show for anyone to check?  Well ... there isnt  ... at all.  It just doesnt exist.
 
Am I wasting my Friday evening awaiting a show that will never come?  Can I perhaps do something useful in my life for a while ... pop out to the store ... change the babies diaper ... if I knew the show was going to start late?

But no, we know nothing, we are just left hanging.  
Do we ... matter so little as to not deserve any sort of update notification at all?

Lets assume that LTT, LMG and all attributing conglomerate properties attached to the WAN show actual gave a crap about what the rest of us are doing on a Friday ... awaiting a show even though we have no idea if it will start at all, or if it did ... when?
 
Therefore, a formal LTT Forum suggestion:

A pinned thread on the forum main page, titled simply WAN SHOW.

A staff person: probably Linus or Luke or Dan be charged with the job of posting the known approximate time for the show to start, once the information is available (be it team meetings or key person communications through the day or early evening), and this thread be used to post the expected showtime, or forward that the show is cancelled ... on this forum thread.

If concerned, this particular thread could even have user comments turned off so it doesnt fill up with the usual meanderings of responders ... it could literally be focused on just one way facts: When the show is expected to start, or if it is cancelled.  It could even grow someday into providing a bit more info on what to expect during the show, subjects, topics, etc.

Week after week this single one way communication would just be there, creating knowledge, warmth and comfort for WAN show viewer angst ... like now ... its 8:30pm Vancouver time ... and around the world ... we are just simply ghosted.
 
Sure, stuff happens, even emergencies ... lots of reasons why it may be late or cancelled ... and all those are perfectly fine, LL&D are people ... stuff happens, everyone has families, no problem.  BUT no one even thinking about the massive amounts of viewers left hanging, or just not bothering to let us know that 'unforeseen circumstances' or whatever have happened. 
 
Whats missing is a simple process, a small delegation, a momentary attention to an extremely dedicated crowd.
 
Not one staff person is tasked with just dropping a note. And if there was, theres nowhere to drop it.

Thats honestly not good enough, we deserve a little more than just being "oh, dont worry about the viewers ... they'll just be there, whenever we get around to it, we dont need to tell them anything".

Linus ... Do better.

Admin: dont unilaterally boot this, please kick it up the food chain to LTT, let it be discussed.
 
Thank You,
Pitboy

Too often, we find ourselves sitting in front of our computers, awaiting the beginning of the WAN Show.  Usually, it invariably begins, often a bit late ... occasionally VERY late ... today, its 8pm Vancouver time and it still hasnt started, no post anywhere we know about; no tweet, nada FB post, and certainly no LTT Forum post informing the dirty masses that its running late, or potentially not starting at all.
 
When awaiting the show, a lowly viewer may tend to peruse various LTT feeds on the interwebs, in an attempt to find any info on the possibility as to when the WAN show will begin ... if at all.  One in this moment may think "gee ... maybe I should check the ever-famous one stop shop that is LTT Forums.
 
While one attempts this, one realizes just how fruitless it truly is.  How could any sort of a timely update regarding the WAN show be on the LTT forum ... if there is no thread on this forum, specific to the WAN show for anyone to check?  Well ... there isnt  ... at all.  It just doesnt exist.
 
Am I wasting my Friday evening awaiting a show that will never come?  Can I perhaps do something useful in my life for a while ... pop out to the store ... change the babies diaper ... if I knew the show was going to start late?

But no, we know nothing, we are just left hanging.  
Do we ... matter so little as to not deserve any sort of update notification at all?

Lets assume that LTT, LMG and all attributing conglomerate properties attached to the WAN show actual gave a crap about what the rest of us are doing on a Friday ... awaiting a show even though we have no idea if it will start at all, or if it did ... when?
 
Therefore, a formal LTT Forum suggestion:

A pinned thread on the forum main page, titled simply WAN SHOW.

A staff person: probably Linus or Luke or Dan be charged with the job of posting the known approximate time for the show to start, once the information is available (be it team meetings or key person communications through the day or early evening), and this thread be used to post the expected showtime, or forward that the show is cancelled ... on this forum thread.

If concerned, this particular thread could even have user comments turned off so it doesnt fill up with the usual meanderings of responders ... it could literally be focused on just one way facts: When the show is expected to start, or if it is cancelled.  It could even grow someday into providing a bit more info on what to expect during the show, subjects, topics, etc.

Week after week this single one way communication would just be there, creating knowledge, warmth and comfort for WAN show viewer angst ... like now ... its 8:30pm Vancouver time ... and around the world ... we are just simply ghosted.
 
Sure, stuff happens, even emergencies ... lots of reasons why it may be late or cancelled ... and all those are perfectly fine, LL&D are people ... stuff happens, everyone has families, no problem.  BUT no one even thinking about the massive amounts of viewers left hanging, or just not bothering to let us know that 'unforeseen circumstances' or whatever have happened. 
 
Whats missing is a simple process, a small delegation, a momentary attention to an extremely dedicated crowd.
 
Not one staff person is tasked with just dropping a note. And if there was, theres nowhere to drop it.

Thats honestly not good enough, we deserve a little more than just being "oh, dont worry about the viewers ... they'll just be there, whenever we get around to it, we dont need to tell them anything".

Linus ... Do better.

Admin: dont unilaterally boot this, please kick it up the food chain to LTT, let it be discussed.
 
Thank You,
Pitboy

Too often, we find ourselves sitting in front of our computers, awaiting the beginning of the WAN Show.  Usually, it invariably begins, often a bit late ... occasionally VERY late ... today, its 8pm Vancouver time and it still hasnt started, no post anywhere we know about; no tweet, nada FB post, and certainly no LTT Forum post informing the dirty masses that its running late, or potentially not starting at all.
 
When awaiting the show, a lowly viewer may tend to peruse various LTT feeds on the interwebs, in an attempt to find any info on the possibility as to when the WAN show will begin ... if at all.  One in this moment may think "gee ... maybe I should check the ever-famous one stop shop that is LTT Forums.
 
While one attempts this, one realizes just how fruitless it truly is.  How could any sort of a timely update regarding the WAN show be on the LTT forum ... if there is no thread on this forum, specific to the WAN show for anyone to check?  Well ... there isnt  ... at all.  It just doesnt exist.
 
Am I wasting my Friday evening awaiting a show that will never come?  Can I perhaps do something useful in my life for a while ... pop out to the store ... change the babies diaper ... if I knew the show was going to start late?

But no, we know nothing, we are just left hanging.  
Do we ... matter so little as to not deserve any sort of update notification at all?

Lets assume that LTT, LMG and all attributing conglomerate properties attached to the WAN show actual gave a crap about what the rest of us are doing on a Friday ... awaiting a show even though we have no idea if it will start at all, or if it did ... when?
 
Therefore, a formal LTT Forum suggestion:

A pinned thread on the forum main page, titled simply WAN SHOW.

A staff person: probably Linus or Luke or Dan be charged with the job of posting the known approximate time for the show to start, once the information is available (be it team meetings or key person communications through the day or early evening), and this thread be used to post the expected showtime, or forward that the show is cancelled ... on this forum thread.

If concerned, this particular thread could even have user comments turned off so it doesnt fill up with the usual meanderings of responders ... it could literally be focused on just one way facts: When the show is expected to start, or if it is cancelled.  It could even grow someday into providing a bit more info on what to expect during the show, subjects, topics, etc.

Week after week this single one way communication would just be there, creating knowledge, warmth and comfort for WAN show viewer angst ... like now ... its 8:30pm Vancouver time ... and around the world ... we are just simply ghosted.
 
Sure, stuff happens, even emergencies ... lots of reasons why it may be late or cancelled ... and all those are perfectly fine, LL&D are people ... stuff happens, everyone has families, no problem.  BUT no one even thinking about the massive amounts of viewers left hanging, or just not bothering to let us know that 'unforeseen circumstances' or whatever have happened. 
 
Whats missing is a simple process, a small delegation, a momentary attention to an extremely dedicated crowd.
 
Not one staff person is tasked with just dropping a note. And if there was, theres nowhere to drop it.

Thats honestly not good enough, we deserve a little more than just being "oh, dont worry about the viewers ... they'll just be there, whenever we get around to it, we dont need to tell them anything".

Linus ... Do better.

Admin: dont unilaterally boot this, please kick it up the food chain to LTT, let it be discussed.
 
Thank You,
Pitboy

Too often, we find ourselves sitting in front of our computers, awaiting the beginning of the WAN Show.  Usually, it invariably begins, often a bit late ... occasionally VERY late ... today, its 8pm Vancouver time and it still hasnt started, no post anywhere we know about; no tweet, nada FB post, and certainly no LTT Forum post informing the dirty masses that its running late, or potentially not starting at all.
 
When awaiting the show, a lowly viewer may tend to peruse various LTT feeds on the interwebs, in an attempt to find any info on the possibility as to when the WAN show will begin ... if at all.  One in this moment may think "gee ... maybe I should check the ever-famous one stop shop that is LTT Forums.
 
While one attempts this, one realizes just how fruitless it truly is.  How could any sort of a timely update regarding the WAN show be on the LTT forum ... if there is no thread on this forum, specific to the WAN show for anyone to check?  Well ... there isnt  ... at all.  It just doesnt exist.
 
Am I wasting my Friday evening awaiting a show that will never come?  Can I perhaps do something useful in my life for a while ... pop out to the store ... change the babies diaper ... if I knew the show was going to start late?

But no, we know nothing, we are just left hanging.  
Do we ... matter so little as to not deserve any sort of update notification at all?

Lets assume that LTT, LMG and all attributing conglomerate properties attached to the WAN show actual gave a crap about what the rest of us are doing on a Friday ... awaiting a show even though we have no idea if it will start at all, or if it did ... when?
 
Therefore, a formal LTT Forum suggestion:

A pinned thread on the forum main page, titled simply WAN SHOW.

A staff person: probably Linus or Luke or Dan be charged with the job of posting the known approximate time for the show to start, once the information is available (be it team meetings or key person communications through the day or early evening), and this thread be used to post the expected showtime, or forward that the show is cancelled ... on this forum thread.

If concerned, this particular thread could even have user comments turned off so it doesnt fill up with the usual meanderings of responders ... it could literally be focused on just one way facts: When the show is expected to start, or if it is cancelled.  It could even grow someday into providing a bit more info on what to expect during the show, subjects, topics, etc.

Week after week this single one way communication would just be there, creating knowledge, warmth and comfort for WAN show viewer angst ... like now ... its 8:30pm Vancouver time ... and around the world ... we are just simply ghosted.
 
Sure, stuff happens, even emergencies ... lots of reasons why it may be late or cancelled ... and all those are perfectly fine, LL&D are people ... stuff happens, everyone has families, no problem.  BUT no one even thinking about the massive amounts of viewers left hanging, or just not bothering to let us know that 'unforeseen circumstances' or whatever have happened. 
 
Whats missing is a simple process, a small delegation, a momentary attention to an extremely dedicated crowd.
 
Not one staff person is tasked with just dropping a note. And if there was, theres nowhere to drop it.

Thats honestly not good enough, we deserve a little more than just being "oh, dont worry about the viewers ... they'll just be there, whenever we get around to it, we dont need to tell them anything".

Linus ... Do better.

Admin: dont unilaterally boot this, please kick it up the food chain to LTT, let it be discussed.
 
Thank You,
Pitboy

Too often, we find ourselves sitting in front of our computers, awaiting the beginning of the WAN Show.  Usually, it invariably begins, often a bit late ... occasionally VERY late ... today, its 8pm Vancouver time and it still hasnt started, no post anywhere we know about; no tweet, nada FB post, and certainly no LTT Forum post informing the dirty masses that its running late, or potentially not starting at all.
 
When awaiting the show, a lowly viewer may tend to peruse various LTT feeds on the interwebs, in an attempt to find any info on the possibility as to when the WAN show will begin ... if at all.  One in this moment may think "gee ... maybe I should check the ever-famous one stop shop that is LTT Forums.
 
While one attempts this, one realizes just how fruitless it truly is.  How could any sort of a timely update regarding the WAN show be on the LTT forum ... if there is no thread on this forum, specific to the WAN show for anyone to check?  Well ... there isnt  ... at all.  It just doesnt exist.
 
Am I wasting my Friday evening awaiting a show that will never come?  Can I perhaps do something useful in my life for a while ... pop out to the store ... change the babies diaper ... if I knew the show was going to start late?

But no, we know nothing, we are just left hanging.  
Do we ... matter so little as to not deserve any sort of update notification at all?

Lets assume that LTT, LMG and all attributing conglomerate properties attached to the WAN show actual gave a crap about what the rest of us are doing on a Friday ... awaiting a show even though we have no idea if it will start at all, or if it did ... when?
 
Therefore, a formal LTT Forum suggestion:

A pinned thread on the forum main page, titled simply WAN SHOW.

A staff person: probably Linus or Luke or Dan be charged with the job of posting the known approximate time for the show to start, once the information is available (be it team meetings or key person communications through the day or early evening), and this thread be used to post the expected showtime, or forward that the show is cancelled ... on this forum thread.

If concerned, this particular thread could even have user comments turned off so it doesnt fill up with the usual meanderings of responders ... it could literally be focused on just one way facts: When the show is expected to start, or if it is cancelled.  It could even grow someday into providing a bit more info on what to expect during the show, subjects, topics, etc.

Week after week this single one way communication would just be there, creating knowledge, warmth and comfort for WAN show viewer angst ... like now ... its 8:30pm Vancouver time ... and around the world ... we are just simply ghosted.
 
Sure, stuff happens, even emergencies ... lots of reasons why it may be late or cancelled ... and all those are perfectly fine, LL&D are people ... stuff happens, everyone has families, no problem.  BUT no one even thinking about the massive amounts of viewers left hanging, or just not bothering to let us know that 'unforeseen circumstances' or whatever have happened. 
 
Whats missing is a simple process, a small delegation, a momentary attention to an extremely dedicated crowd.
 
Not one staff person is tasked with just dropping a note. And if there was, theres nowhere to drop it.

Thats honestly not good enough, we deserve a little more than just being "oh, dont worry about the viewers ... they'll just be there, whenever we get around to it, we dont need to tell them anything".

Linus ... Do better.

Admin: dont unilaterally boot this, please kick it up the food chain to LTT, let it be discussed.
 
Thank You,
Pitboy

Too often, we find ourselves sitting in front of our computers, awaiting the beginning of the WAN Show.  Usually, it invariably begins, often a bit late ... occasionally VERY late ... today, its 8pm Vancouver time and it still hasnt started, no post anywhere we know about; no tweet, nada FB post, and certainly no LTT Forum post informing the dirty masses that its running late, or potentially not starting at all.
 
When awaiting the show, a lowly viewer may tend to peruse various LTT feeds on the interwebs, in an attempt to find any info on the possibility as to when the WAN show will begin ... if at all.  One in this moment may think "gee ... maybe I should check the ever-famous one stop shop that is LTT Forums.
 
While one attempts this, one realizes just how fruitless it truly is.  How could any sort of a timely update regarding the WAN show be on the LTT forum ... if there is no thread on this forum, specific to the WAN show for anyone to check?  Well ... there isnt  ... at all.  It just doesnt exist.
 
Am I wasting my Friday evening awaiting a show that will never come?  Can I perhaps do something useful in my life for a while ... pop out to the store ... change the babies diaper ... if I knew the show was going to start late?

But no, we know nothing, we are just left hanging.  
Do we ... matter so little as to not deserve any sort of update notification at all?

Lets assume that LTT, LMG and all attributing conglomerate properties attached to the WAN show actual gave a crap about what the rest of us are doing on a Friday ... awaiting a show even though we have no idea if it will start at all, or if it did ... when?
 
Therefore, a formal LTT Forum suggestion:

A pinned thread on the forum main page, titled simply WAN SHOW.

A staff person: probably Linus or Luke or Dan be charged with the job of posting the known approximate time for the show to start, once the information is available (be it team meetings or key person communications through the day or early evening), and this thread be used to post the expected showtime, or forward that the show is cancelled ... on this forum thread.

If concerned, this particular thread could even have user comments turned off so it doesnt fill up with the usual meanderings of responders ... it could literally be focused on just one way facts: When the show is expected to start, or if it is cancelled.  It could even grow someday into providing a bit more info on what to expect during the show, subjects, topics, etc.

Week after week this single one way communication would just be there, creating knowledge, warmth and comfort for WAN show viewer angst ... like now ... its 8:30pm Vancouver time ... and around the world ... we are just simply ghosted.
 
Sure, stuff happens, even emergencies ... lots of reasons why it may be late or cancelled ... and all those are perfectly fine, LL&D are people ... stuff happens, everyone has families, no problem.  BUT no one even thinking about the massive amounts of viewers left hanging, or just not bothering to let us know that 'unforeseen circumstances' or whatever have happened. 
 
Whats missing is a simple process, a small delegation, a momentary attention to an extremely dedicated crowd.
 
Not one staff person is tasked with just dropping a note. And if there was, theres nowhere to drop it.

Thats honestly not good enough, we deserve a little more than just being "oh, dont worry about the viewers ... they'll just be there, whenever we get around to it, we dont need to tell them anything".

Linus ... Do better.

Admin: dont unilaterally boot this, please kick it up the food chain to LTT, let it be discussed.
 
Thank You,
Pitboy

Too often, we find ourselves sitting in front of our computers, awaiting the beginning of the WAN Show.  Usually, it invariably begins, often a bit late ... occasionally VERY late ... today, its 8pm Vancouver time and it still hasnt started, no post anywhere we know about; no tweet, nada FB post, and certainly no LTT Forum post informing the dirty masses that its running late, or potentially not starting at all.
 
When awaiting the show, a lowly viewer may tend to peruse various LTT feeds on the interwebs, in an attempt to find any info on the possibility as to when the WAN show will begin ... if at all.  One in this moment may think "gee ... maybe I should check the ever-famous one stop shop that is LTT Forums.
 
While one attempts this, one realizes just how fruitless it truly is.  How could any sort of a timely update regarding the WAN show be on the LTT forum ... if there is no thread on this forum, specific to the WAN show for anyone to check?  Well ... there isnt  ... at all.  It just doesnt exist.
 
Am I wasting my Friday evening awaiting a show that will never come?  Can I perhaps do something useful in my life for a while ... pop out to the store ... change the babies diaper ... if I knew the show was going to start late?

But no, we know nothing, we are just left hanging.  
Do we ... matter so little as to not deserve any sort of update notification at all?

Lets assume that LTT, LMG and all attributing conglomerate properties attached to the WAN show actual gave a crap about what the rest of us are doing on a Friday ... awaiting a show even though we have no idea if it will start at all, or if it did ... when?
 
Therefore, a formal LTT Forum suggestion:

A pinned thread on the forum main page, titled simply WAN SHOW.

A staff person: probably Linus or Luke or Dan be charged with the job of posting the known approximate time for the show to start, once the information is available (be it team meetings or key person communications through the day or early evening), and this thread be used to post the expected showtime, or forward that the show is cancelled ... on this forum thread.

If concerned, this particular thread could even have user comments turned off so it doesnt fill up with the usual meanderings of responders ... it could literally be focused on just one way facts: When the show is expected to start, or if it is cancelled.  It could even grow someday into providing a bit more info on what to expect during the show, subjects, topics, etc.

Week after week this single one way communication would just be there, creating knowledge, warmth and comfort for WAN show viewer angst ... like now ... its 8:30pm Vancouver time ... and around the world ... we are just simply ghosted.
 
Sure, stuff happens, even emergencies ... lots of reasons why it may be late or cancelled ... and all those are perfectly fine, LL&D are people ... stuff happens, everyone has families, no problem.  BUT no one even thinking about the massive amounts of viewers left hanging, or just not bothering to let us know that 'unforeseen circumstances' or whatever have happened. 
 
Whats missing is a simple process, a small delegation, a momentary attention to an extremely dedicated crowd.
 
Not one staff person is tasked with just dropping a note. And if there was, theres nowhere to drop it.

Thats honestly not good enough, we deserve a little more than just being "oh, dont worry about the viewers ... they'll just be there, whenever we get around to it, we dont need to tell them anything".

Linus ... Do better.

Admin: dont unilaterally boot this, please kick it up the food chain to LTT, let it be discussed.
 
Thank You,
Pitboy

Too often, we find ourselves sitting in front of our computers, awaiting the beginning of the WAN Show.  Usually, it invariably begins, often a bit late ... occasionally VERY late ... today, its 8pm Vancouver time and it still hasnt started, no post anywhere we know about; no tweet, nada FB post, and certainly no LTT Forum post informing the dirty masses that its running late, or potentially not starting at all.
 
When awaiting the show, a lowly viewer may tend to peruse various LTT feeds on the interwebs, in an attempt to find any info on the possibility as to when the WAN show will begin ... if at all.  One in this moment may think "gee ... maybe I should check the ever-famous one stop shop that is LTT Forums.
 
While one attempts this, one realizes just how fruitless it truly is.  How could any sort of a timely update regarding the WAN show be on the LTT forum ... if there is no thread on this forum, specific to the WAN show for anyone to check?  Well ... there isnt  ... at all.  It just doesnt exist.
 
Am I wasting my Friday evening awaiting a show that will never come?  Can I perhaps do something useful in my life for a while ... pop out to the store ... change the babies diaper ... if I knew the show was going to start late?

But no, we know nothing, we are just left hanging.  
Do we ... matter so little as to not deserve any sort of update notification at all?

Lets assume that LTT, LMG and all attributing conglomerate properties attached to the WAN show actual gave a crap about what the rest of us are doing on a Friday ... awaiting a show even though we have no idea if it will start at all, or if it did ... when?
 
Therefore, a formal LTT Forum suggestion:

A pinned thread on the forum main page, titled simply WAN SHOW.

A staff person: probably Linus or Luke or Dan be charged with the job of posting the known approximate time for the show to start, once the information is available (be it team meetings or key person communications through the day or early evening), and this thread be used to post the expected showtime, or forward that the show is cancelled ... on this forum thread.

If concerned, this particular thread could even have user comments turned off so it doesnt fill up with the usual meanderings of responders ... it could literally be focused on just one way facts: When the show is expected to start, or if it is cancelled.  It could even grow someday into providing a bit more info on what to expect during the show, subjects, topics, etc.

Week after week this single one way communication would just be there, creating knowledge, warmth and comfort for WAN show viewer angst ... like now ... its 8:30pm Vancouver time ... and around the world ... we are just simply ghosted.
 
Sure, stuff happens, even emergencies ... lots of reasons why it may be late or cancelled ... and all those are perfectly fine, LL&D are people ... stuff happens, everyone has families, no problem.  BUT no one even thinking about the massive amounts of viewers left hanging, or just not bothering to let us know that 'unforeseen circumstances' or whatever have happened. 
 
Whats missing is a simple process, a small delegation, a momentary attention to an extremely dedicated crowd.
 
Not one staff person is tasked with just dropping a note. And if there was, theres nowhere to drop it.

Thats honestly not good enough, we deserve a little more than just being "oh, dont worry about the viewers ... they'll just be there, whenever we get around to it, we dont need to tell them anything".

Linus ... Do better.

Admin: dont unilaterally boot this, please kick it up the food chain to LTT, let it be discussed.
 
Thank You,
Pitboy

Cudos to LMG for changing tracks with eightsleep.

I was the one (I think) that might have started this with this thread, and its nice to see LMG is willing to look into their sponsorships when there are questions regarding ethical sales techniques, like expensive subs like this, and little to no detail exactly what will happen if you cancel your sub.

Again, I dont mind the expensive product, even if it was more expensive had they just added the sub cost to the price, instead of just selling us a sub on top of purchase ... this kind of product is expensive, and thats fine.  But selling a long term sub ... as a newer company ... just falls flat for me.

Even after the WAN show discussing this, we still dont know in detail what works and doesnt work after the sub is gone, because as a non present user, I dont know really ... how it even works, and Linus didnt actually explain it except to say he doesnt use the subs benefits anyways, which is cool ... but what does that mean regarding the product?
So I still dont really know, so I wont be buying.

Re the Eightsleep subscription discussion.

Out of pure curiosity ... and a definite desire to avoid fixing my dual zone mattress cooling issues by way of building a home made system a-la Linus and Alex video on May 20, 2023 ... ... I take a deep dive at the sponsor eightsleeps website to see their plug and play product, and am hit with a serious misgiving:

- Sure ... it costs $2,700CDN up front, before tax, but lets assume I'm fine with that outlay ... then you realize you actually cant buy it without signing up to a monthly/annual membership which provides access to the 'Pod'.  To be clear, the website doesnt in plain language define what is the 'Pod'.

You MUST purchase this membership for the initial one year period at the $240CDN billed annual rate. From one side you could say that its just a scammy way of charging $2,940 for the upfront purchase (before tax).  Welcome to 2023 ... Moving on.

Lets just start by immediately discounting the more expensive 'lifetime warranty' option. One: 'lifetime' means nothing. Who's to say that upstart eightsleep will even be around in 25 years. Should they survive for even 10 years, I will have put an additional $2,400 (plus tax) specifically towards the warrantee ... you see the problem, as that's basically the value of the system. At the end of the day, we dont know if the warrantee will be valid in 10 years, and we will be able to repurchase the product by then anyways ... wait ... what?  Thats not a warrantee, its an insurance policy.
 
Not even a car manufacturer will charge the value of the product after running their scammy sub system for just 10 years.  For a $50,000 car that would be almost $500 a month for a warrantee.  For eightsleep ... this is a flag all on its own.

And 2 ... it speaks to a manufacturer that ONLY warrantees their product beyond 30 days, if you pay a lot more for it. Auto red flag.
  Beyond all that, we dont actually know what the warrantee covers.  Lets say at the end of the first year, I decide to not continue with the 'membership' ... then what?   - Does it simply mean a loss of any future upgrades or updates eightsleep come up after this date? Sure ok, if 100% of the system still works, then Im fine with that.  That would be like running Win98 on an offline closed system that works perfectly well for the low end industrial task it has to do ... fine. It could continue to work for years and years.  I would be a happy mattress cooling product owner.   - or does it mean I lose connection to adjust the dual temperature system or lose access to the software at all? Or do I lose connection to my parallel health devices that eightsleeps software links to?   - The website details the service as 'Automatic temperature, vibration & thermal alarm, sleep & health reports' ... but what does that mean? 'Automatic temperature' ... sounds like a basic function ... no?  Thats all it says ... its undefined.   - The problem here isnt the limitation really, its the company being open and forthright as to exactly what will not work the same, or at all, if the membership is cancelled. The way it is detailed on the site ... we just dont know what will happen and how my near $3000 purchase will operate post 12 months.   For this reason, I backed away from the site.  I wont be buying in.

In addition I felt it to be reasonable to discuss this with LMG here about eightsleep as a sponsor, and the reality of just what their followers are actually signing up for.  I'm not saying cancel the sponsorship, but perhaps someone on the LMG team could head over to the eightsleep website as a potential purchaser and try to parse through just what are the actual risks involved for their followers. 

If you cancel the warrantee, what actually happens?  Should this staff person purchase the product and summarily cancel the warrantee, to see what happens? Should Linus and Yvonne cancel theirs and report on what happens?

If that someone walks away feeling unsure on behalf of their viewers ... perhaps some follow up with eightsleep to have more clarity on their website regarding this warranty issue ... is warranted.

Thank you.

Re the Eightsleep subscription discussion.

Out of pure curiosity ... and a definite desire to avoid fixing my dual zone mattress cooling issues by way of building a home made system a-la Linus and Alex video on May 20, 2023 ... ... I take a deep dive at the sponsor eightsleeps website to see their plug and play product, and am hit with a serious misgiving:

- Sure ... it costs $2,700CDN up front, before tax, but lets assume I'm fine with that outlay ... then you realize you actually cant buy it without signing up to a monthly/annual membership which provides access to the 'Pod'.  To be clear, the website doesnt in plain language define what is the 'Pod'.

You MUST purchase this membership for the initial one year period at the $240CDN billed annual rate. From one side you could say that its just a scammy way of charging $2,940 for the upfront purchase (before tax).  Welcome to 2023 ... Moving on.

Lets just start by immediately discounting the more expensive 'lifetime warranty' option. One: 'lifetime' means nothing. Who's to say that upstart eightsleep will even be around in 25 years. Should they survive for even 10 years, I will have put an additional $2,400 (plus tax) specifically towards the warrantee ... you see the problem, as that's basically the value of the system. At the end of the day, we dont know if the warrantee will be valid in 10 years, and we will be able to repurchase the product by then anyways ... wait ... what?  Thats not a warrantee, its an insurance policy.
 
Not even a car manufacturer will charge the value of the product after running their scammy sub system for just 10 years.  For a $50,000 car that would be almost $500 a month for a warrantee.  For eightsleep ... this is a flag all on its own.

And 2 ... it speaks to a manufacturer that ONLY warrantees their product beyond 30 days, if you pay a lot more for it. Auto red flag.
  Beyond all that, we dont actually know what the warrantee covers.  Lets say at the end of the first year, I decide to not continue with the 'membership' ... then what?   - Does it simply mean a loss of any future upgrades or updates eightsleep come up after this date? Sure ok, if 100% of the system still works, then Im fine with that.  That would be like running Win98 on an offline closed system that works perfectly well for the low end industrial task it has to do ... fine. It could continue to work for years and years.  I would be a happy mattress cooling product owner.   - or does it mean I lose connection to adjust the dual temperature system or lose access to the software at all? Or do I lose connection to my parallel health devices that eightsleeps software links to?   - The website details the service as 'Automatic temperature, vibration & thermal alarm, sleep & health reports' ... but what does that mean? 'Automatic temperature' ... sounds like a basic function ... no?  Thats all it says ... its undefined.   - The problem here isnt the limitation really, its the company being open and forthright as to exactly what will not work the same, or at all, if the membership is cancelled. The way it is detailed on the site ... we just dont know what will happen and how my near $3000 purchase will operate post 12 months.   For this reason, I backed away from the site.  I wont be buying in.

In addition I felt it to be reasonable to discuss this with LMG here about eightsleep as a sponsor, and the reality of just what their followers are actually signing up for.  I'm not saying cancel the sponsorship, but perhaps someone on the LMG team could head over to the eightsleep website as a potential purchaser and try to parse through just what are the actual risks involved for their followers. 

If you cancel the warrantee, what actually happens?  Should this staff person purchase the product and summarily cancel the warrantee, to see what happens? Should Linus and Yvonne cancel theirs and report on what happens?

If that someone walks away feeling unsure on behalf of their viewers ... perhaps some follow up with eightsleep to have more clarity on their website regarding this warranty issue ... is warranted.

Thank you.

Re the Eightsleep subscription discussion.

Out of pure curiosity ... and a definite desire to avoid fixing my dual zone mattress cooling issues by way of building a home made system a-la Linus and Alex video on May 20, 2023 ... ... I take a deep dive at the sponsor eightsleeps website to see their plug and play product, and am hit with a serious misgiving:

- Sure ... it costs $2,700CDN up front, before tax, but lets assume I'm fine with that outlay ... then you realize you actually cant buy it without signing up to a monthly/annual membership which provides access to the 'Pod'.  To be clear, the website doesnt in plain language define what is the 'Pod'.

You MUST purchase this membership for the initial one year period at the $240CDN billed annual rate. From one side you could say that its just a scammy way of charging $2,940 for the upfront purchase (before tax).  Welcome to 2023 ... Moving on.

Lets just start by immediately discounting the more expensive 'lifetime warranty' option. One: 'lifetime' means nothing. Who's to say that upstart eightsleep will even be around in 25 years. Should they survive for even 10 years, I will have put an additional $2,400 (plus tax) specifically towards the warrantee ... you see the problem, as that's basically the value of the system. At the end of the day, we dont know if the warrantee will be valid in 10 years, and we will be able to repurchase the product by then anyways ... wait ... what?  Thats not a warrantee, its an insurance policy.
 
Not even a car manufacturer will charge the value of the product after running their scammy sub system for just 10 years.  For a $50,000 car that would be almost $500 a month for a warrantee.  For eightsleep ... this is a flag all on its own.

And 2 ... it speaks to a manufacturer that ONLY warrantees their product beyond 30 days, if you pay a lot more for it. Auto red flag.
  Beyond all that, we dont actually know what the warrantee covers.  Lets say at the end of the first year, I decide to not continue with the 'membership' ... then what?   - Does it simply mean a loss of any future upgrades or updates eightsleep come up after this date? Sure ok, if 100% of the system still works, then Im fine with that.  That would be like running Win98 on an offline closed system that works perfectly well for the low end industrial task it has to do ... fine. It could continue to work for years and years.  I would be a happy mattress cooling product owner.   - or does it mean I lose connection to adjust the dual temperature system or lose access to the software at all? Or do I lose connection to my parallel health devices that eightsleeps software links to?   - The website details the service as 'Automatic temperature, vibration & thermal alarm, sleep & health reports' ... but what does that mean? 'Automatic temperature' ... sounds like a basic function ... no?  Thats all it says ... its undefined.   - The problem here isnt the limitation really, its the company being open and forthright as to exactly what will not work the same, or at all, if the membership is cancelled. The way it is detailed on the site ... we just dont know what will happen and how my near $3000 purchase will operate post 12 months.   For this reason, I backed away from the site.  I wont be buying in.

In addition I felt it to be reasonable to discuss this with LMG here about eightsleep as a sponsor, and the reality of just what their followers are actually signing up for.  I'm not saying cancel the sponsorship, but perhaps someone on the LMG team could head over to the eightsleep website as a potential purchaser and try to parse through just what are the actual risks involved for their followers. 

If you cancel the warrantee, what actually happens?  Should this staff person purchase the product and summarily cancel the warrantee, to see what happens? Should Linus and Yvonne cancel theirs and report on what happens?

If that someone walks away feeling unsure on behalf of their viewers ... perhaps some follow up with eightsleep to have more clarity on their website regarding this warranty issue ... is warranted.

Thank you.

Re the Eightsleep subscription discussion.

Out of pure curiosity ... and a definite desire to avoid fixing my dual zone mattress cooling issues by way of building a home made system a-la Linus and Alex video on May 20, 2023 ... ... I take a deep dive at the sponsor eightsleeps website to see their plug and play product, and am hit with a serious misgiving:

- Sure ... it costs $2,700CDN up front, before tax, but lets assume I'm fine with that outlay ... then you realize you actually cant buy it without signing up to a monthly/annual membership which provides access to the 'Pod'.  To be clear, the website doesnt in plain language define what is the 'Pod'.

You MUST purchase this membership for the initial one year period at the $240CDN billed annual rate. From one side you could say that its just a scammy way of charging $2,940 for the upfront purchase (before tax).  Welcome to 2023 ... Moving on.

Lets just start by immediately discounting the more expensive 'lifetime warranty' option. One: 'lifetime' means nothing. Who's to say that upstart eightsleep will even be around in 25 years. Should they survive for even 10 years, I will have put an additional $2,400 (plus tax) specifically towards the warrantee ... you see the problem, as that's basically the value of the system. At the end of the day, we dont know if the warrantee will be valid in 10 years, and we will be able to repurchase the product by then anyways ... wait ... what?  Thats not a warrantee, its an insurance policy.
 
Not even a car manufacturer will charge the value of the product after running their scammy sub system for just 10 years.  For a $50,000 car that would be almost $500 a month for a warrantee.  For eightsleep ... this is a flag all on its own.

And 2 ... it speaks to a manufacturer that ONLY warrantees their product beyond 30 days, if you pay a lot more for it. Auto red flag.
  Beyond all that, we dont actually know what the warrantee covers.  Lets say at the end of the first year, I decide to not continue with the 'membership' ... then what?   - Does it simply mean a loss of any future upgrades or updates eightsleep come up after this date? Sure ok, if 100% of the system still works, then Im fine with that.  That would be like running Win98 on an offline closed system that works perfectly well for the low end industrial task it has to do ... fine. It could continue to work for years and years.  I would be a happy mattress cooling product owner.   - or does it mean I lose connection to adjust the dual temperature system or lose access to the software at all? Or do I lose connection to my parallel health devices that eightsleeps software links to?   - The website details the service as 'Automatic temperature, vibration & thermal alarm, sleep & health reports' ... but what does that mean? 'Automatic temperature' ... sounds like a basic function ... no?  Thats all it says ... its undefined.   - The problem here isnt the limitation really, its the company being open and forthright as to exactly what will not work the same, or at all, if the membership is cancelled. The way it is detailed on the site ... we just dont know what will happen and how my near $3000 purchase will operate post 12 months.   For this reason, I backed away from the site.  I wont be buying in.

In addition I felt it to be reasonable to discuss this with LMG here about eightsleep as a sponsor, and the reality of just what their followers are actually signing up for.  I'm not saying cancel the sponsorship, but perhaps someone on the LMG team could head over to the eightsleep website as a potential purchaser and try to parse through just what are the actual risks involved for their followers. 

If you cancel the warrantee, what actually happens?  Should this staff person purchase the product and summarily cancel the warrantee, to see what happens? Should Linus and Yvonne cancel theirs and report on what happens?

If that someone walks away feeling unsure on behalf of their viewers ... perhaps some follow up with eightsleep to have more clarity on their website regarding this warranty issue ... is warranted.

Thank you.

Re the Eightsleep subscription discussion.

Out of pure curiosity ... and a definite desire to avoid fixing my dual zone mattress cooling issues by way of building a home made system a-la Linus and Alex video on May 20, 2023 ... ... I take a deep dive at the sponsor eightsleeps website to see their plug and play product, and am hit with a serious misgiving:

- Sure ... it costs $2,700CDN up front, before tax, but lets assume I'm fine with that outlay ... then you realize you actually cant buy it without signing up to a monthly/annual membership which provides access to the 'Pod'.  To be clear, the website doesnt in plain language define what is the 'Pod'.

You MUST purchase this membership for the initial one year period at the $240CDN billed annual rate. From one side you could say that its just a scammy way of charging $2,940 for the upfront purchase (before tax).  Welcome to 2023 ... Moving on.

Lets just start by immediately discounting the more expensive 'lifetime warranty' option. One: 'lifetime' means nothing. Who's to say that upstart eightsleep will even be around in 25 years. Should they survive for even 10 years, I will have put an additional $2,400 (plus tax) specifically towards the warrantee ... you see the problem, as that's basically the value of the system. At the end of the day, we dont know if the warrantee will be valid in 10 years, and we will be able to repurchase the product by then anyways ... wait ... what?  Thats not a warrantee, its an insurance policy.
 
Not even a car manufacturer will charge the value of the product after running their scammy sub system for just 10 years.  For a $50,000 car that would be almost $500 a month for a warrantee.  For eightsleep ... this is a flag all on its own.

And 2 ... it speaks to a manufacturer that ONLY warrantees their product beyond 30 days, if you pay a lot more for it. Auto red flag.
  Beyond all that, we dont actually know what the warrantee covers.  Lets say at the end of the first year, I decide to not continue with the 'membership' ... then what?   - Does it simply mean a loss of any future upgrades or updates eightsleep come up after this date? Sure ok, if 100% of the system still works, then Im fine with that.  That would be like running Win98 on an offline closed system that works perfectly well for the low end industrial task it has to do ... fine. It could continue to work for years and years.  I would be a happy mattress cooling product owner.   - or does it mean I lose connection to adjust the dual temperature system or lose access to the software at all? Or do I lose connection to my parallel health devices that eightsleeps software links to?   - The website details the service as 'Automatic temperature, vibration & thermal alarm, sleep & health reports' ... but what does that mean? 'Automatic temperature' ... sounds like a basic function ... no?  Thats all it says ... its undefined.   - The problem here isnt the limitation really, its the company being open and forthright as to exactly what will not work the same, or at all, if the membership is cancelled. The way it is detailed on the site ... we just dont know what will happen and how my near $3000 purchase will operate post 12 months.   For this reason, I backed away from the site.  I wont be buying in.

In addition I felt it to be reasonable to discuss this with LMG here about eightsleep as a sponsor, and the reality of just what their followers are actually signing up for.  I'm not saying cancel the sponsorship, but perhaps someone on the LMG team could head over to the eightsleep website as a potential purchaser and try to parse through just what are the actual risks involved for their followers. 

If you cancel the warrantee, what actually happens?  Should this staff person purchase the product and summarily cancel the warrantee, to see what happens? Should Linus and Yvonne cancel theirs and report on what happens?

If that someone walks away feeling unsure on behalf of their viewers ... perhaps some follow up with eightsleep to have more clarity on their website regarding this warranty issue ... is warranted.

Thank you.

Re the Eightsleep subscription discussion.

Out of pure curiosity ... and a definite desire to avoid fixing my dual zone mattress cooling issues by way of building a home made system a-la Linus and Alex video on May 20, 2023 ... ... I take a deep dive at the sponsor eightsleeps website to see their plug and play product, and am hit with a serious misgiving:

- Sure ... it costs $2,700CDN up front, before tax, but lets assume I'm fine with that outlay ... then you realize you actually cant buy it without signing up to a monthly/annual membership which provides access to the 'Pod'.  To be clear, the website doesnt in plain language define what is the 'Pod'.

You MUST purchase this membership for the initial one year period at the $240CDN billed annual rate. From one side you could say that its just a scammy way of charging $2,940 for the upfront purchase (before tax).  Welcome to 2023 ... Moving on.

Lets just start by immediately discounting the more expensive 'lifetime warranty' option. One: 'lifetime' means nothing. Who's to say that upstart eightsleep will even be around in 25 years. Should they survive for even 10 years, I will have put an additional $2,400 (plus tax) specifically towards the warrantee ... you see the problem, as that's basically the value of the system. At the end of the day, we dont know if the warrantee will be valid in 10 years, and we will be able to repurchase the product by then anyways ... wait ... what?  Thats not a warrantee, its an insurance policy.
 
Not even a car manufacturer will charge the value of the product after running their scammy sub system for just 10 years.  For a $50,000 car that would be almost $500 a month for a warrantee.  For eightsleep ... this is a flag all on its own.

And 2 ... it speaks to a manufacturer that ONLY warrantees their product beyond 30 days, if you pay a lot more for it. Auto red flag.
  Beyond all that, we dont actually know what the warrantee covers.  Lets say at the end of the first year, I decide to not continue with the 'membership' ... then what?   - Does it simply mean a loss of any future upgrades or updates eightsleep come up after this date? Sure ok, if 100% of the system still works, then Im fine with that.  That would be like running Win98 on an offline closed system that works perfectly well for the low end industrial task it has to do ... fine. It could continue to work for years and years.  I would be a happy mattress cooling product owner.   - or does it mean I lose connection to adjust the dual temperature system or lose access to the software at all? Or do I lose connection to my parallel health devices that eightsleeps software links to?   - The website details the service as 'Automatic temperature, vibration & thermal alarm, sleep & health reports' ... but what does that mean? 'Automatic temperature' ... sounds like a basic function ... no?  Thats all it says ... its undefined.   - The problem here isnt the limitation really, its the company being open and forthright as to exactly what will not work the same, or at all, if the membership is cancelled. The way it is detailed on the site ... we just dont know what will happen and how my near $3000 purchase will operate post 12 months.   For this reason, I backed away from the site.  I wont be buying in.

In addition I felt it to be reasonable to discuss this with LMG here about eightsleep as a sponsor, and the reality of just what their followers are actually signing up for.  I'm not saying cancel the sponsorship, but perhaps someone on the LMG team could head over to the eightsleep website as a potential purchaser and try to parse through just what are the actual risks involved for their followers. 

If you cancel the warrantee, what actually happens?  Should this staff person purchase the product and summarily cancel the warrantee, to see what happens? Should Linus and Yvonne cancel theirs and report on what happens?

If that someone walks away feeling unsure on behalf of their viewers ... perhaps some follow up with eightsleep to have more clarity on their website regarding this warranty issue ... is warranted.

Thank you.

Re the Eightsleep subscription discussion.

Out of pure curiosity ... and a definite desire to avoid fixing my dual zone mattress cooling issues by way of building a home made system a-la Linus and Alex video on May 20, 2023 ... ... I take a deep dive at the sponsor eightsleeps website to see their plug and play product, and am hit with a serious misgiving:

- Sure ... it costs $2,700CDN up front, before tax, but lets assume I'm fine with that outlay ... then you realize you actually cant buy it without signing up to a monthly/annual membership which provides access to the 'Pod'.  To be clear, the website doesnt in plain language define what is the 'Pod'.

You MUST purchase this membership for the initial one year period at the $240CDN billed annual rate. From one side you could say that its just a scammy way of charging $2,940 for the upfront purchase (before tax).  Welcome to 2023 ... Moving on.

Lets just start by immediately discounting the more expensive 'lifetime warranty' option. One: 'lifetime' means nothing. Who's to say that upstart eightsleep will even be around in 25 years. Should they survive for even 10 years, I will have put an additional $2,400 (plus tax) specifically towards the warrantee ... you see the problem, as that's basically the value of the system. At the end of the day, we dont know if the warrantee will be valid in 10 years, and we will be able to repurchase the product by then anyways ... wait ... what?  Thats not a warrantee, its an insurance policy.
 
Not even a car manufacturer will charge the value of the product after running their scammy sub system for just 10 years.  For a $50,000 car that would be almost $500 a month for a warrantee.  For eightsleep ... this is a flag all on its own.

And 2 ... it speaks to a manufacturer that ONLY warrantees their product beyond 30 days, if you pay a lot more for it. Auto red flag.
  Beyond all that, we dont actually know what the warrantee covers.  Lets say at the end of the first year, I decide to not continue with the 'membership' ... then what?   - Does it simply mean a loss of any future upgrades or updates eightsleep come up after this date? Sure ok, if 100% of the system still works, then Im fine with that.  That would be like running Win98 on an offline closed system that works perfectly well for the low end industrial task it has to do ... fine. It could continue to work for years and years.  I would be a happy mattress cooling product owner.   - or does it mean I lose connection to adjust the dual temperature system or lose access to the software at all? Or do I lose connection to my parallel health devices that eightsleeps software links to?   - The website details the service as 'Automatic temperature, vibration & thermal alarm, sleep & health reports' ... but what does that mean? 'Automatic temperature' ... sounds like a basic function ... no?  Thats all it says ... its undefined.   - The problem here isnt the limitation really, its the company being open and forthright as to exactly what will not work the same, or at all, if the membership is cancelled. The way it is detailed on the site ... we just dont know what will happen and how my near $3000 purchase will operate post 12 months.   For this reason, I backed away from the site.  I wont be buying in.

In addition I felt it to be reasonable to discuss this with LMG here about eightsleep as a sponsor, and the reality of just what their followers are actually signing up for.  I'm not saying cancel the sponsorship, but perhaps someone on the LMG team could head over to the eightsleep website as a potential purchaser and try to parse through just what are the actual risks involved for their followers. 

If you cancel the warrantee, what actually happens?  Should this staff person purchase the product and summarily cancel the warrantee, to see what happens? Should Linus and Yvonne cancel theirs and report on what happens?

If that someone walks away feeling unsure on behalf of their viewers ... perhaps some follow up with eightsleep to have more clarity on their website regarding this warranty issue ... is warranted.

Thank you.

Re the Eightsleep subscription discussion.

Out of pure curiosity ... and a definite desire to avoid fixing my dual zone mattress cooling issues by way of building a home made system a-la Linus and Alex video on May 20, 2023 ... ... I take a deep dive at the sponsor eightsleeps website to see their plug and play product, and am hit with a serious misgiving:

- Sure ... it costs $2,700CDN up front, before tax, but lets assume I'm fine with that outlay ... then you realize you actually cant buy it without signing up to a monthly/annual membership which provides access to the 'Pod'.  To be clear, the website doesnt in plain language define what is the 'Pod'.

You MUST purchase this membership for the initial one year period at the $240CDN billed annual rate. From one side you could say that its just a scammy way of charging $2,940 for the upfront purchase (before tax).  Welcome to 2023 ... Moving on.

Lets just start by immediately discounting the more expensive 'lifetime warranty' option. One: 'lifetime' means nothing. Who's to say that upstart eightsleep will even be around in 25 years. Should they survive for even 10 years, I will have put an additional $2,400 (plus tax) specifically towards the warrantee ... you see the problem, as that's basically the value of the system. At the end of the day, we dont know if the warrantee will be valid in 10 years, and we will be able to repurchase the product by then anyways ... wait ... what?  Thats not a warrantee, its an insurance policy.
 
Not even a car manufacturer will charge the value of the product after running their scammy sub system for just 10 years.  For a $50,000 car that would be almost $500 a month for a warrantee.  For eightsleep ... this is a flag all on its own.

And 2 ... it speaks to a manufacturer that ONLY warrantees their product beyond 30 days, if you pay a lot more for it. Auto red flag.
  Beyond all that, we dont actually know what the warrantee covers.  Lets say at the end of the first year, I decide to not continue with the 'membership' ... then what?   - Does it simply mean a loss of any future upgrades or updates eightsleep come up after this date? Sure ok, if 100% of the system still works, then Im fine with that.  That would be like running Win98 on an offline closed system that works perfectly well for the low end industrial task it has to do ... fine. It could continue to work for years and years.  I would be a happy mattress cooling product owner.   - or does it mean I lose connection to adjust the dual temperature system or lose access to the software at all? Or do I lose connection to my parallel health devices that eightsleeps software links to?   - The website details the service as 'Automatic temperature, vibration & thermal alarm, sleep & health reports' ... but what does that mean? 'Automatic temperature' ... sounds like a basic function ... no?  Thats all it says ... its undefined.   - The problem here isnt the limitation really, its the company being open and forthright as to exactly what will not work the same, or at all, if the membership is cancelled. The way it is detailed on the site ... we just dont know what will happen and how my near $3000 purchase will operate post 12 months.   For this reason, I backed away from the site.  I wont be buying in.

In addition I felt it to be reasonable to discuss this with LMG here about eightsleep as a sponsor, and the reality of just what their followers are actually signing up for.  I'm not saying cancel the sponsorship, but perhaps someone on the LMG team could head over to the eightsleep website as a potential purchaser and try to parse through just what are the actual risks involved for their followers. 

If you cancel the warrantee, what actually happens?  Should this staff person purchase the product and summarily cancel the warrantee, to see what happens? Should Linus and Yvonne cancel theirs and report on what happens?

If that someone walks away feeling unsure on behalf of their viewers ... perhaps some follow up with eightsleep to have more clarity on their website regarding this warranty issue ... is warranted.

Thank you.