D3MON

been trying to think of one and then i remembered one from about a year ago.

back when the galaxy s3 and htc one were released i went to the carphone warehouse on exeters highstreet (uk), a guy asks "can i help you" and i said id like to check out an lg optimus 4x (lg's quad core, 1gb ram, 8mp camera, 2100mAh battery smartphone the same as all the others).

he replied with "optiiimus fourrr x :huh: ?????, i dont think we have any", so you dont even know what it is even though you have all of its rivals AND you have a billion other phones much worse than it, you have a samsung section, a windows phone section, an lg section (that doesnt have it), you even have a shelf section just for blackberrys!

thats a bit like going to gamestop and saying "do you have gta5 in yet?" and them replying with "gee teee aaa fivee?, does that exist yet?"...

edit, built a cheap rig for an old friend yesterday, only a q6600 a hd6670, 8gb of ram, in a red sharktoon t9 case, 2tb hard drive, he wants to do light gaming and photo editing for websites using adobe cs6, when i say gaming he wants to play americas army.......google it.
it plays bf4 on medium at 1680x1050 just under 1080p just fine....

his current rig is an lga775 pentium 4 650@3.4ghz with half a gig of ddr1 400, a 64mb pci graphics card and runs at 56 degrees on the desktop after ive just done a thermal paste job on it (amd style copper heatpipe aftermarket cooler), it didnt even boot when he brough it round, when it did it was at 80 degrees on the desktop. and its on xp.

so yeah bit of a step up....when he came round to collect it he brought another old friend who i havent seen in ages (who told me he owns a ps4) and he was like "WOOOOW you built that!?", im a computer nerd...what do you think i do? eat cheeto's and watch anime all day?
building a pc is so easy, its like lego with a few wires...if it doesnt fit, it doesnt go there

I need to stay away from this thread, It causes me severe depression and makes me want to crawl into a corner and die.

Most "spec me a £1000 pc" or "$1000 gaming pc for a friend" or "how can i improve this "1000 eur gaming build"
threads on this forum, they're all pretty much the same and therefore require pretty much the same build with a minor change to say.... the case (personal preference).
So I usually say, 8320, hyper 212 evo, gigabyte 990fxa ud3p, 2x4gb of 1600mhz ram (9-9-9-24, 1.5v), r9-280x or a 7950 depending on budget, fractal design define r4 or nzxt source 210 or something (depending on budget), samsung 840 250gb evo, seagate barracuda 3tb, corsair rm650 and you're done.

..and then everyone else recommendations come up with..
a i5 4670k (guy wants to video render as well so the 8320 would be better),
stock cooler
a 120gb ssd (120gb ssds tend to half the write speeds and a 250gb gives you double the space for not much more cash)
a 1tb drive (the fuck? why buy a 1tb for £50 when you can get 3x the storage for £80?),
a gtx 760 (an overpriced 670? you're joking right?),
a coolermaster 750w powersupply or worse a "e-z cool 450w" never-heard of brand
and a coolermaster haf 912....which wasnt that bad.... 4 years ago!

OR they recommend an fx8150 with some cheap msi/asus 760g chipset 4+1 power phase board   
I've done like 6 this month (and before that), I'm thinking about retiring and just letting people work it out for themselfs.
I'm off to crawl into that corner, (start's rocking back and forth)

define "cpu intensive"
most people will happily say that a game is cpu intensive withou any definition.

cpu intensive by MY definition is something that really requires 2+ cores like bf4, it will evenly load 4 threads at 60% usage, in games like this you're very unlikely to be cpu bottlenecked unless your only using a dual core.

cpu limited by MY definition is something like wow or age of empires or simcity 4, these games only use 1 or sometimes 2 cores at 100% and cores 3, 4, 5, 6.... are doing sweet f*** all, in these games your usuually CPU limited so your graphics card will be at 80% while 2 threads (or 1) are maxed out, in these games it doesnt matter wether you have a pentium dual core g3220 or a 4770k.
these games usually favour intels higher ipc which can be around 40% higher than amd's..

that said these games also usually run a billion fps anyway sop intel fanboys love to run around screaming that an i3 gets 120fps wheras an fx8350 "onyl" gets 90....

thankfully these 2005 games are slowly getting outdates and modern games are now learning that "hey we're not all using core 2 duos anymore", and now evenly scale to N cores, even simcity, minecraft, world of tanks, skyrim etc games that were previously single threaded now evenly distribute threads and now become gpu limited, so a gpu upgrade can now actually make sense.

edit: will slowly make a list of both types.
cpu intensive (evenly scales across N cores)
bf2, bf3, bf4
crysis 3 (maybe crysis 2)
moh warfighter
minecraft
world of tanks (more or less)
arma 3 (maybe arma 2) as demanding as crysis 3 from what i've seen.
bioshock infinate.
gta 4
skyrim

CPU limited (poorly threaded titles)
quake 3
this forum (sorry my internets slow im just raging.)

I've had way too many instances that if i try to remember one im going to end up in a deep depressive rage and end up spammin facebook with "I wish guns were legal" so instead ill post with how i treat such cases

Don't waste time giving advice to people who you know wont take it.
Only give so much advice for as long as the person is willing to learn.
Be nice to those who respect you and give them a reason to keep respecting you.
If someone turns around later proclaiming you know nothing and treats you like s***, if your not smiling when you get your revenge you're not getting the right revenge.
Make sure you actually know what you're about to say, you don't want to be the aforementioned guy who thinks he knows it all that we all hate because he doesnt know what hes talking about...
Ignorance is bliss, you can always spot someone who is ignorant when they're "in love" with something you know is overpriced or rubbish (here's looking at you apple, noctua and gaming laptops).
Try to find the most simple and easiest solution you can, when you can, IF doing the easier solution is okay to do so (not a bodge job).
Building someone a good pc isn't worth doing if they have bad habits and thier stuff is full of rubbish and dont do any form of file management and their old pc is full of millions of lolcats pictures, duplicated files, corrupted files that they never sort out, it'll only end up being slow or dying and you'll get the blame.
Read what the user is like, you might think rip off the rich people and help the poor but its not that simple.
If they're VERY poor they probably do weed, have a low work ethic dont maintain things well so they will treat their pc the same
If they're poor for other reasons (just lost his job) sure help them out!
If they're the average joe, treat them with respect, always be willing to help (bearing in mind what ive said before) and try and get rid of the bad name us tech guru's, mechanics etc have as "rip off merchants".
If they're wealthy don't take the p**s, you could rip them off once but if you give someone a good service they will come back for more.

Keep the faith, remember its YOUR love and YOUR hobby, unless its actually your job (in which case you're getting paid so you cant complain), take time out when you have to prevent stressing out, you should never hate the things you love doing...
B)
hello the people going through reading every post [salute]

I've had way too many instances that if i try to remember one im going to end up in a deep depressive rage and end up spammin facebook with "I wish guns were legal" so instead ill post with how i treat such cases

Don't waste time giving advice to people who you know wont take it.
Only give so much advice for as long as the person is willing to learn.
Be nice to those who respect you and give them a reason to keep respecting you.
If someone turns around later proclaiming you know nothing and treats you like s***, if your not smiling when you get your revenge you're not getting the right revenge.
Make sure you actually know what you're about to say, you don't want to be the aforementioned guy who thinks he knows it all that we all hate because he doesnt know what hes talking about...
Ignorance is bliss, you can always spot someone who is ignorant when they're "in love" with something you know is overpriced or rubbish (here's looking at you apple, noctua and gaming laptops).
Try to find the most simple and easiest solution you can, when you can, IF doing the easier solution is okay to do so (not a bodge job).
Building someone a good pc isn't worth doing if they have bad habits and thier stuff is full of rubbish and dont do any form of file management and their old pc is full of millions of lolcats pictures, duplicated files, corrupted files that they never sort out, it'll only end up being slow or dying and you'll get the blame.
Read what the user is like, you might think rip off the rich people and help the poor but its not that simple.
If they're VERY poor they probably do weed, have a low work ethic dont maintain things well so they will treat their pc the same
If they're poor for other reasons (just lost his job) sure help them out!
If they're the average joe, treat them with respect, always be willing to help (bearing in mind what ive said before) and try and get rid of the bad name us tech guru's, mechanics etc have as "rip off merchants".
If they're wealthy don't take the p**s, you could rip them off once but if you give someone a good service they will come back for more.

Keep the faith, remember its YOUR love and YOUR hobby, unless its actually your job (in which case you're getting paid so you cant complain), take time out when you have to prevent stressing out, you should never hate the things you love doing...
B)
hello the people going through reading every post [salute]

I've had way too many instances that if i try to remember one im going to end up in a deep depressive rage and end up spammin facebook with "I wish guns were legal" so instead ill post with how i treat such cases

Don't waste time giving advice to people who you know wont take it.
Only give so much advice for as long as the person is willing to learn.
Be nice to those who respect you and give them a reason to keep respecting you.
If someone turns around later proclaiming you know nothing and treats you like s***, if your not smiling when you get your revenge you're not getting the right revenge.
Make sure you actually know what you're about to say, you don't want to be the aforementioned guy who thinks he knows it all that we all hate because he doesnt know what hes talking about...
Ignorance is bliss, you can always spot someone who is ignorant when they're "in love" with something you know is overpriced or rubbish (here's looking at you apple, noctua and gaming laptops).
Try to find the most simple and easiest solution you can, when you can, IF doing the easier solution is okay to do so (not a bodge job).
Building someone a good pc isn't worth doing if they have bad habits and thier stuff is full of rubbish and dont do any form of file management and their old pc is full of millions of lolcats pictures, duplicated files, corrupted files that they never sort out, it'll only end up being slow or dying and you'll get the blame.
Read what the user is like, you might think rip off the rich people and help the poor but its not that simple.
If they're VERY poor they probably do weed, have a low work ethic dont maintain things well so they will treat their pc the same
If they're poor for other reasons (just lost his job) sure help them out!
If they're the average joe, treat them with respect, always be willing to help (bearing in mind what ive said before) and try and get rid of the bad name us tech guru's, mechanics etc have as "rip off merchants".
If they're wealthy don't take the p**s, you could rip them off once but if you give someone a good service they will come back for more.

Keep the faith, remember its YOUR love and YOUR hobby, unless its actually your job (in which case you're getting paid so you cant complain), take time out when you have to prevent stressing out, you should never hate the things you love doing...
B)
hello the people going through reading every post [salute]

I've had way too many instances that if i try to remember one im going to end up in a deep depressive rage and end up spammin facebook with "I wish guns were legal" so instead ill post with how i treat such cases

Don't waste time giving advice to people who you know wont take it.
Only give so much advice for as long as the person is willing to learn.
Be nice to those who respect you and give them a reason to keep respecting you.
If someone turns around later proclaiming you know nothing and treats you like s***, if your not smiling when you get your revenge you're not getting the right revenge.
Make sure you actually know what you're about to say, you don't want to be the aforementioned guy who thinks he knows it all that we all hate because he doesnt know what hes talking about...
Ignorance is bliss, you can always spot someone who is ignorant when they're "in love" with something you know is overpriced or rubbish (here's looking at you apple, noctua and gaming laptops).
Try to find the most simple and easiest solution you can, when you can, IF doing the easier solution is okay to do so (not a bodge job).
Building someone a good pc isn't worth doing if they have bad habits and thier stuff is full of rubbish and dont do any form of file management and their old pc is full of millions of lolcats pictures, duplicated files, corrupted files that they never sort out, it'll only end up being slow or dying and you'll get the blame.
Read what the user is like, you might think rip off the rich people and help the poor but its not that simple.
If they're VERY poor they probably do weed, have a low work ethic dont maintain things well so they will treat their pc the same
If they're poor for other reasons (just lost his job) sure help them out!
If they're the average joe, treat them with respect, always be willing to help (bearing in mind what ive said before) and try and get rid of the bad name us tech guru's, mechanics etc have as "rip off merchants".
If they're wealthy don't take the p**s, you could rip them off once but if you give someone a good service they will come back for more.

Keep the faith, remember its YOUR love and YOUR hobby, unless its actually your job (in which case you're getting paid so you cant complain), take time out when you have to prevent stressing out, you should never hate the things you love doing...
B)
hello the people going through reading every post [salute]

rig specs (dtronics)
System Platform:
Windows 8 (build 9200) 64bit CPU model:
AMD Athlon II X4 640 Processor (3013MHz) x4 GPU model:
NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS 512 9.18.13.3523 (512MB) x1 VALLEY stock 675/970, high settings, 4xAA 1360x768

15.8 Score:
662 Min FPS:
9.0 Max FPS:
34.7
overclock 750/1050, high settings, 4xAA 1360x768

17.2 Score:
720 Min FPS:
9.2 Max FPS:
36.9
overclock 750/1050, high, no AA 1360x768

23.1 Score:
966 Min FPS:
7.9 Max FPS:
45.9 HEAVEN
750/1050, high, 4xAA,1360x768

25.7 Score:
646 Min FPS:
7.2 Max FPS:
49.8

overclock, 750/1050, high, no AA, 1360x768

friend D When my "techie" friend came to me saying "i beat your overclock" when i overclocked his 3ghz athlon 640 to 3.3 on stock 1.4volts, he then comes back a  few days later saying "i beat your overclock" with a screen shot of it at 3.9, all he had done is read what the max voltage was (1.55) set that and then put the fsb to 260 without even touching the ram divider, ht, nb or anything and when i asked is it stable he replies "yeah it plays black ops fine"
this is on a 4+1 vrm board...

friend J when my other friend bought a phenom 975 for £125 (back in dec 2011) when i said buy a 955 because its the same chip, his excuse "yeah but i just wanna make sure it runs at that speed", hes happy hes now put the multi from 18 to 18.5 YAY 100MHZ OC!!!!, one morning, a bit hungover from the night before i got up before him and got it to 4.2 stable @1.525v within about 2 hours (inc 1 hour of prime 95)......

IM SO GLAD I REMEMBER THIS!, a friend of "friend D" was showing off his new galaxy s3 mini (which is a rebodied s2) after about a minute of him saying its "samsungs newest phone" and "it only cost him £350" when asking "ok what the specs of your phone" (lg Optimus 3D) i said "pretty much same as your but has a slightly bigger screen and about cost me half the price" i saw his face drop followed by "yeah but this is 1080p", i kid you not i cried on the floor laughing at that 1 for a good 5 minutes, hes now asking £140 for it a year later...wheras some places sell my phone for over £250 still.

friend T- was showing off to some people we know that his gaming pc (storm enforcer case, 7770, Crosshair5) has AMD's latest cpu..........its an engineering sample fx4100 bulldozer which even stock hits 90*c (how i have no idea), everyone still looks on in amazement at it....i want a gun, he also opposes me when i say that HTC screens break all the time, 6 out of 7 ive seen have (the other being a one-v)

here's one when i was a noob, my first phone was an optimus 540 (love lg now), and i couldnt work out how the sd card clip wouldnt stay down despite ive put the sd card in it loads of time before, i took it to the carphone warehouse and the young girl (i was 22 she was prob 20) looked at it, clicked it across and goes "there you go".....yeah, I know........

brother swears his pc is fine and worth a fortune cus he built it himself.......back in 2005 with a 2.8ghz pentium 4, a gig of ddr 400 ram a DFI infinity motherboard and a 256mb 9600pro with vista and a 200gb WD sata 1 hard drive, i remember him playing gta3 on it.

everything i hear come out of a guys mouth at maplin when talking to a customer, i wanna correct them but thatll kill my chances of checking (overpriced) stuff out.

most things that come out of customers mouths at cex, "dude check that graphics card out!!!!"-its a vanilla 550ti

oh to finish off..
paul (a friend of friend D) wanted to play a few games, nfs world, fifa 13... friend D said "your going to need to save and get a graphics card" but didnt go any further.
3 days later paul tells me and my friend he bought a graphics card and can we install it? it's a nvidia gt210....from maplin (£30) it could just play fifa 13 on minimum @720p with no crowd. (50in plasma with pixel gaps you can walk through).
hes now given up gaming and given it to me :P where its now in use in my server.

no...

i bought a pc second hand from cex yesterday (or so) (in the uk CEX is a store that buys and sells phones/games/pc parts/dvd's/music etc you get the idea)
written as a "hp core2duo 1055t 3.06ghz/4gb/1tb/gt220/linux"....there is no core2duo at 3.06ghz and i prayed! that it was a phenom x6 1055t as they sell that for £75 on its own, the whole pc cost me £145 (was £280 there a year ago...) i only wanted the cpu.
sure enough it turns out it is a phenom 1055t!!  with the stock-high-end copper based heatpipe cooler
so i got an "icute" zl02-3g-bb case made out of metal so thin you can read through it
a "sweex" 350w power supply with a single 6 pin and 2 sata with a 11amp and 12amp rail respectively.
a 1tb seagate hard drive (not too shabby)
2x2gb of "zeppelin" ddr3 1333 thats yellow! 
and the motherboard is a POS asrock m3a ucc which doesnt even have vga out (and this had a phenom x6 in it?)
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=zeppelin+2gb+ddr3&es_sm=122&biw=960&bih=454&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=o2oVVZr2F8-XasiZgKAC&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ#tbm=isch&q=asrock+m3a+ucc&imgdii=_
excluding the cpu these other parts cost me £70...
then bought a zotac gtx460 1gb for £38....which turned out to be an SE :angry: 
so not bad for under £200, im switching the cpu for an athlonII x2 250 and the hard drive for a 640GB i have and selling it as a basic pc and will likely make a small profit (and someones going to get a steal!)
the phenom x6, gtx460SE will likely be put into a new pc made from the money from the sale of that^ with 8gb of ram, a 500w corsair psu, 1tb seagate and msi krait board   
not a "experience with non-techies" sorry, but proof that hp's have thier uses  :lol: maybe a LTT scrapyard wars UK contender.
edit-swapped the gtx460se for the guys qx9650 +£10, bought a r9-270 DCU2 today.

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damn im good...took me less than a minute to find the video, time in video AND where you can buy it.

Will be back later with more but for now...
 


My (still working) amd athlon k6 650mhz slot A running a black/vista themed XP and 512mb of SD ram (yeah I know HALF A GIG!) and xp sp2, has chrome, vlc media player, cpu-z (i think), speccy...on a 40gb western digital black drives (no they're actually black, was testing 2 drives in this picture, like the cable managment?)

yeah I overclocked it (bios has 4 presets one of which is 10% i.e 715mhz, 15% 747.5mhz crashes in windows, theres no voltage options on this dqi kinetiz 7A board..
the graphics card,  an inno 3d mx440 64mb and black pcb lol
Last year i treated it to a black and red CIT mars case (£10 from a friend that bought it by mistake) in homage to linus's "amd vision black" video.

got lots more but I my eyes are killing me

friend D When my "techie" friend came to me saying "i beat your overclock" when i overclocked his 3ghz athlon 640 to 3.3 on stock 1.4volts, he then comes back a  few days later saying "i beat your overclock" with a screen shot of it at 3.9, all he had done is read what the max voltage was (1.55) set that and then put the fsb to 260 without even touching the ram divider, ht, nb or anything and when i asked is it stable he replies "yeah it plays black ops fine"
this is on a 4+1 vrm board...

friend J when my other friend bought a phenom 975 for £125 (back in dec 2011) when i said buy a 955 because its the same chip, his excuse "yeah but i just wanna make sure it runs at that speed", hes happy hes now put the multi from 18 to 18.5 YAY 100MHZ OC!!!!, one morning, a bit hungover from the night before i got up before him and got it to 4.2 stable @1.525v within about 2 hours (inc 1 hour of prime 95)......

IM SO GLAD I REMEMBER THIS!, a friend of "friend D" was showing off his new galaxy s3 mini (which is a rebodied s2) after about a minute of him saying its "samsungs newest phone" and "it only cost him £350" when asking "ok what the specs of your phone" (lg Optimus 3D) i said "pretty much same as your but has a slightly bigger screen and about cost me half the price" i saw his face drop followed by "yeah but this is 1080p", i kid you not i cried on the floor laughing at that 1 for a good 5 minutes, hes now asking £140 for it a year later...wheras some places sell my phone for over £250 still.

friend T- was showing off to some people we know that his gaming pc (storm enforcer case, 7770, Crosshair5) has AMD's latest cpu..........its an engineering sample fx4100 bulldozer which even stock hits 90*c (how i have no idea), everyone still looks on in amazement at it....i want a gun, he also opposes me when i say that HTC screens break all the time, 6 out of 7 ive seen have (the other being a one-v)

here's one when i was a noob, my first phone was an optimus 540 (love lg now), and i couldnt work out how the sd card clip wouldnt stay down despite ive put the sd card in it loads of time before, i took it to the carphone warehouse and the young girl (i was 22 she was prob 20) looked at it, clicked it across and goes "there you go".....yeah, I know........

brother swears his pc is fine and worth a fortune cus he built it himself.......back in 2005 with a 2.8ghz pentium 4, a gig of ddr 400 ram a DFI infinity motherboard and a 256mb 9600pro with vista and a 200gb WD sata 1 hard drive, i remember him playing gta3 on it.

everything i hear come out of a guys mouth at maplin when talking to a customer, i wanna correct them but thatll kill my chances of checking (overpriced) stuff out.

most things that come out of customers mouths at cex, "dude check that graphics card out!!!!"-its a vanilla 550ti

oh to finish off..
paul (a friend of friend D) wanted to play a few games, nfs world, fifa 13... friend D said "your going to need to save and get a graphics card" but didnt go any further.
3 days later paul tells me and my friend he bought a graphics card and can we install it? it's a nvidia gt210....from maplin (£30) it could just play fifa 13 on minimum @720p with no crowd. (50in plasma with pixel gaps you can walk through).
hes now given up gaming and given it to me :P where its now in use in my server.

I've had way too many instances that if i try to remember one im going to end up in a deep depressive rage and end up spammin facebook with "I wish guns were legal" so instead ill post with how i treat such cases

Don't waste time giving advice to people who you know wont take it.
Only give so much advice for as long as the person is willing to learn.
Be nice to those who respect you and give them a reason to keep respecting you.
If someone turns around later proclaiming you know nothing and treats you like s***, if your not smiling when you get your revenge you're not getting the right revenge.
Make sure you actually know what you're about to say, you don't want to be the aforementioned guy who thinks he knows it all that we all hate because he doesnt know what hes talking about...
Ignorance is bliss, you can always spot someone who is ignorant when they're "in love" with something you know is overpriced or rubbish (here's looking at you apple, noctua and gaming laptops).
Try to find the most simple and easiest solution you can, when you can, IF doing the easier solution is okay to do so (not a bodge job).
Building someone a good pc isn't worth doing if they have bad habits and thier stuff is full of rubbish and dont do any form of file management and their old pc is full of millions of lolcats pictures, duplicated files, corrupted files that they never sort out, it'll only end up being slow or dying and you'll get the blame.
Read what the user is like, you might think rip off the rich people and help the poor but its not that simple.
If they're VERY poor they probably do weed, have a low work ethic dont maintain things well so they will treat their pc the same
If they're poor for other reasons (just lost his job) sure help them out!
If they're the average joe, treat them with respect, always be willing to help (bearing in mind what ive said before) and try and get rid of the bad name us tech guru's, mechanics etc have as "rip off merchants".
If they're wealthy don't take the p**s, you could rip them off once but if you give someone a good service they will come back for more.

Keep the faith, remember its YOUR love and YOUR hobby, unless its actually your job (in which case you're getting paid so you cant complain), take time out when you have to prevent stressing out, you should never hate the things you love doing...
B)
hello the people going through reading every post [salute]

fx8350 isnt worth it.
8320e however is and even 2 years after the chip came out still got the oc3d value for money award a few other sites liked it but i cba to link, google it.
if you're looking for a cheap content creation rig then its great, its done me great for a long time and im looking at a 5820k next, its double the cost but its double the processing power which no other intel can rival in bang/buck terms excluding the g3258 but stuff that for production )
itll blow the q6600 into the weeds.
ive had this setup previously for months and got me to 5ghz, 4.7ghz daily, ive got 4 clients with this spec in thier rigs (actually 1 has an 8350 the rest 8320's) cant be matched for the price.
PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/D9R623 Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/D9R623/by_merchant/   CPU: AMD FX-8320E 3.2GHz 8-Core Processor  ($128.98 @ NCIX US)  CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($28.89 @ OutletPC)  Motherboard: MSI 970 GAMING ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($85.98 @ Newegg)  Total: $243.85 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-04-25 03:01 EDT-0400

that would be @incarnate, ive said they'll be okay for the most part but ive literally just stopped playing gta5 and with 1080p 0xMSAA i was at 3.7gb of vram but 3.2gb with 2xMSAA lol

with a 4+1 (or 4+1) vrm like you have on that board 4ghz shouldnt take any effort what so ever.
setup
-find the cpu vid in core temps and set your voltage to .05 higher
-for instance if your vid is 1.325 set yours to 1.375
-turn on HPC mode if you have it in bios
-turn off cool n quiet (untill your done then turn it back on)
-set your multi to 20x for a start
-boot and use cpu-z to monitor your idle voltage and write it down,
-your idle voltage should be around what you set in bios but is okay if its a little bit above or below (say 0.025 +/-)
-run cinebench and see your load voltage and write that down
-if your load voltage is below your idle voltage you need to go into bios and find loadline calibration, turn this up a notch (wether its a higher percentage or wether its from low-medium), reboot and retest, if your load voltage is too load you may blue screen.
-keep doing that until your load voltage matches your idle.
-your load voltage should not be around 1.5v, it wont damage your chip if it is but its unlikely to be necessary and will results in VRMs throttling which means you're not actually stressing your chip under stress testing.
-assuming you can run cinebench stable without braking 65-70*c run it again while watching clock speeds in coretemp, if lots of them all at once drop down to 2250mhz or 1400mhz that means your vrms are likely declocking, (you will also note your cpu temps are very low if this is the case), if this happens to you try reducing voltage or loadline calibration in bios a little.
-loadline calibration works exponentially with voltage so 1.2v in bios may give 1.2v at load (so +0.0v) with "medium" loadline, but with "high" loadline may give 1.3 (so +.1v)
1.25v in bios with medium loadline might give 1.27v at load (so +.02v) but "high" loadline might give you 1.35v under load (so +.15v), you need to balance them by turning the bios voltage up and down (taking notes) and loadline up and down (taking notes), it sounds really complicated but it isnt its just noticing how it affects things and knowing this helps makes troubleshooting instability and problems allot easier and make it safer too.
testing
run cinebench and if it passes put the multi another higher.
keep doing that until it fails and then turn it 2 or so multi's back.
then use amd overdrive stress test which takes an hour, 
assuming you have an overclock now of 4.3ghz or whatever (may be more, may be less) you can be happy or try pushing further, 4.5ghz is plenty fast enough (525ish cinebench on an fx6 and 700ish for an fx8) and the voltages required to go higher usually start to increase temps into haswell territory.
thats my quick and dirty method ive developed over the last 4 or 5 years since i started overclocking phenoms and then fx's.
it doesnt matter what fx you have the process (because the architecture..) is the same.
regarding vrms
fx4=4+1/4+2: its fine, got for whatever its so cheap its almost disposable.
fx6=4+1/4+2: dont push to over 4.5ghz unless you're at stupidly low volts like 1.3, 4 easy, 4.5ghz should be the limit, 4.5ghz and 1.4v is probably the max a 4+2 board can handle, if you require more voltage dont risk it and settle for 4.4ghz 1.375v or something.
fx6=6+2vrm (msi 970 gaming etc): 4.5ghz easy, again beyond 4.5-4.6 voltages go up, you wont kill your chip or board but at 4.5-4.6ghz your cpu will last YEARS so dont worry about it, do it then get gaming!
fx6=8+2vrm (gigabyte 970a ud3p etc) you should of got the msi 970 gaming board OR if you ahve a 990fx chipset the money should of been spent on an fx8, this is overkill.
fx8=4+1vrm: it'll run but undervolting is usually a great idea to reduce vrm stress, low vid chips work fine but dont overclock (though ive done 3.5ghz at 1.25v on an 8320 and m5a78l-m/usb)
fx8=6+2 vrm (so msi 970 gaming), ive had mine to 5ghz and cinebench r15 790 score (unstable) at 4.95ghz on this combo, for daily use i recommend no higher than 4.5ghz as pointed out above. while possible the increased voltages and temps aren't worth the extra 200mhz, if it has a vrm heatsink dont worry, a hyper 212 evo is a great cheap bundle for this.
fx8=8+2vrm (gigabyte 970a-ud3p, m5a99x evo r2 etc) skys the limit and if you want to run 4.7-4.8ghz+ you can but this will usually (but not always) a big cooler or h100i or something. i personally just rest easy at 4.5 knowing my temps are in the 60's under stress and 45Ic ish gaming and will work fine for the next 5 years if it has to.
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with a 4+1 (or 4+1) vrm like you have on that board 4ghz shouldnt take any effort what so ever.
setup
-find the cpu vid in core temps and set your voltage to .05 higher
-for instance if your vid is 1.325 set yours to 1.375
-turn on HPC mode if you have it in bios
-turn off cool n quiet (untill your done then turn it back on)
-set your multi to 20x for a start
-boot and use cpu-z to monitor your idle voltage and write it down,
-your idle voltage should be around what you set in bios but is okay if its a little bit above or below (say 0.025 +/-)
-run cinebench and see your load voltage and write that down
-if your load voltage is below your idle voltage you need to go into bios and find loadline calibration, turn this up a notch (wether its a higher percentage or wether its from low-medium), reboot and retest, if your load voltage is too load you may blue screen.
-keep doing that until your load voltage matches your idle.
-your load voltage should not be around 1.5v, it wont damage your chip if it is but its unlikely to be necessary and will results in VRMs throttling which means you're not actually stressing your chip under stress testing.
-assuming you can run cinebench stable without braking 65-70*c run it again while watching clock speeds in coretemp, if lots of them all at once drop down to 2250mhz or 1400mhz that means your vrms are likely declocking, (you will also note your cpu temps are very low if this is the case), if this happens to you try reducing voltage or loadline calibration in bios a little.
-loadline calibration works exponentially with voltage so 1.2v in bios may give 1.2v at load (so +0.0v) with "medium" loadline, but with "high" loadline may give 1.3 (so +.1v)
1.25v in bios with medium loadline might give 1.27v at load (so +.02v) but "high" loadline might give you 1.35v under load (so +.15v), you need to balance them by turning the bios voltage up and down (taking notes) and loadline up and down (taking notes), it sounds really complicated but it isnt its just noticing how it affects things and knowing this helps makes troubleshooting instability and problems allot easier and make it safer too.
testing
run cinebench and if it passes put the multi another higher.
keep doing that until it fails and then turn it 2 or so multi's back.
then use amd overdrive stress test which takes an hour, 
assuming you have an overclock now of 4.3ghz or whatever (may be more, may be less) you can be happy or try pushing further, 4.5ghz is plenty fast enough (525ish cinebench on an fx6 and 700ish for an fx8) and the voltages required to go higher usually start to increase temps into haswell territory.
thats my quick and dirty method ive developed over the last 4 or 5 years since i started overclocking phenoms and then fx's.
it doesnt matter what fx you have the process (because the architecture..) is the same.
regarding vrms
fx4=4+1/4+2: its fine, got for whatever its so cheap its almost disposable.
fx6=4+1/4+2: dont push to over 4.5ghz unless you're at stupidly low volts like 1.3, 4 easy, 4.5ghz should be the limit, 4.5ghz and 1.4v is probably the max a 4+2 board can handle, if you require more voltage dont risk it and settle for 4.4ghz 1.375v or something.
fx6=6+2vrm (msi 970 gaming etc): 4.5ghz easy, again beyond 4.5-4.6 voltages go up, you wont kill your chip or board but at 4.5-4.6ghz your cpu will last YEARS so dont worry about it, do it then get gaming!
fx6=8+2vrm (gigabyte 970a ud3p etc) you should of got the msi 970 gaming board OR if you ahve a 990fx chipset the money should of been spent on an fx8, this is overkill.
fx8=4+1vrm: it'll run but undervolting is usually a great idea to reduce vrm stress, low vid chips work fine but dont overclock (though ive done 3.5ghz at 1.25v on an 8320 and m5a78l-m/usb)
fx8=6+2 vrm (so msi 970 gaming), ive had mine to 5ghz and cinebench r15 790 score (unstable) at 4.95ghz on this combo, for daily use i recommend no higher than 4.5ghz as pointed out above. while possible the increased voltages and temps aren't worth the extra 200mhz, if it has a vrm heatsink dont worry, a hyper 212 evo is a great cheap bundle for this.
fx8=8+2vrm (gigabyte 970a-ud3p, m5a99x evo r2 etc) skys the limit and if you want to run 4.7-4.8ghz+ you can but this will usually (but not always) a big cooler or h100i or something. i personally just rest easy at 4.5 knowing my temps are in the 60's under stress and 45Ic ish gaming and will work fine for the next 5 years if it has to.
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You take the FPS and divide them by the price, there ya go $/FPS

yep its confirmed, he cant read.

no need for a cooler, i had a 5150 (1.6ghz) ran a 125fsb so it was at 2ghz on stock volts (like 1.2 or something) with the silent cooler, was a great little platform, the gpu gets overclocked with the cpu so from 600mhz it should of been around 750mhz.
4gb stick of ram i got second hand, tried my r9-290 in it but it wouldnt let it boot, ran great with my r9-270 though.
single threaded games wont be great as its like a slow pentium dual core however even on IGPU it loved grid and bioshock infinate.
it really is a great system, i only sold it (for cost) to finance my g3258 itx rig, it cost twice as much but has twice the power...

This has been my point for ages.
if intel quad cores are the be-all and end-all for gaming...why do we need the K edition?
"its better rendering" then you should get an i7 or a xeon.
"single threaded games will benefit from the overclock" so get a pentium K....
locked i5 master race!!!!!

other than tnhat id suggest a super cheap itx 1150 board with a celeron and whatever gpu op can find cheap.

think they're all appropriate

yes i like suicide girls...Jayztwocents
did your friend previously have a mac? you know those sort of people...