high budget CPU

[n.ZERO_g]

guys help in clearing my idea

for a high budget pc, which cpu would be better??

the pc will be mostly used for streaming and high-eng gaming

intel i7 4790k vs intel i7 5930k

gpus are 2 gtx 980s sli in both..
rest is more or less identical

give your views about the cpu choice

please..

thanks in advance

[79wjd]

For gaming, 4790k. For rendering (when time matters) 5820k/5930k.

[cesrai]

For gaming, 4790k. For rendering (when time matters) 5820k/5930k.

Wouldn't i5 4960K be better for gaming ??

[79wjd]

Wouldn't i5 4960K be better for gaming ??

Well, Yes/no. A 4690k will yield more or less the same performance in most games now. However, with the consoles having 8 cores and DX12 equalizing the load across all the cores, hyperthreading will probably become useful -- and if he can afford an i7 without sacrificng anything else, then it's only $100~ more. 

 

Plus a lot of people end up going with a 4690k+240mm AIO (myself included) (totaling around $330~) and reach 4.2-4.5ghz. Alternatively, you can go with a 4790k and a hyper 212 and get the same 4.2-4.5ghz but with hyper threading for $20~ more. 

 

Plus the extra cores from hyperthreading will help with streaming. 

[Janne]

5930k is better for streaming gaming. More cores/threads is always nice if you stream or record

[cesrai]

Well, Yes/no. A 4690k will yield more or less the same performance in most games now. However, with the consoles having 8 cores and DX12 equalizing the load across all the cores, hyperthreading will probably become useful -- and if he can afford an i7 without sacrificng anything else, then it's only $100~ more. 

Consoles ???? 

[79wjd]

5930k is better for streaming gaming. More cores/threads is always nice if you stream or record

A 4790k is still plenty for that. 

Consoles ???? 

And yes. Games on consoles are optimized for 8-cores, as such newer cpu games (especially the less optimized ones) do take advantage of more cores (Watch Dogs, Dragon Age Inquisition, BF4, etc...)

[cesrai]

A 4790k is still plenty for that. 

And yes? 

WHy would they having 8 cores matter ??

[79wjd]

WHy would they having 8 cores matter ??

Games on consoles are optimized for 8-cores, as such newer cpu games (especially the less optimized ones) do take advantage of more cores (Watch Dogs, Dragon Age Inquisition, BF4, etc...)

[Janne]

A 4790k is still plenty for that. 

 

of course it is but i'm pretty sure he doesn't want to know what is just enough

[cesrai]

 

Games on consoles are optimized for 8-cores, as such newer cpu games (especially the less optimized ones) do take advantage of more cores (Watch Dogs, Dragon Age Inquisition, BF4, etc...)

 

New games are horribly unpotimized like watch dogs, there ports were horrible.

[Aniallation]

WHy would they having 8 cores matter ??

It doesn't matter that much. DX12 helps spread out load across cores which benefits with CPUs that have more cores that are individually weak (AMD FX). With fewer cores that are individually strong (Intel) it honestly gets cancelled out. You won't need more then an i5 for gaming and that's that. However for streaming an i7 will help quite a bit.

[79wjd]

of course it is but i'm pretty sure he doesn't want to know what is just enough

It's more than "just enough" 

 

New games are horribly unpotimized like watch dogs, there ports were horrible.

And do you expect that to change? Especially when DX12 will start to leverage cores more effectively. 

[Aniallation]

New games are horribly unpotimized like watch dogs, there ports were horrible.

There are some well-optimized titles that are multi-threaded. Like DA:I and COD:AW

[Janne]

It's more than "just enough" 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[cesrai]

There are some well-optimized titles that are multi-threaded. Like DA:I and COD:AW

But console have nothing to do with that, I don't know much about game developing but I don't just because the port on the console uses 8 core at it best, the port on the PC would use 8 cores very efficiently.

 

It's more than "just enough" 

 

And do you expect that to change? Especially when DX12 will start to leverage cores more effectively. 

I know and console have nothing to do with that, see above I may be wrong.

[cesrai]

It doesn't matter that much. DX12 helps spread out load across cores which benefits with CPUs that have more cores that are individually weak (AMD FX). With fewer cores that are individually strong (Intel) it honestly gets cancelled out. You won't need more then an i5 for gaming and that's that. However for streaming an i7 will help quite a bit.

I know that my point is consoles having 8 cores doesn't make that massive effect on the PC port.

[79wjd]

 

 

My comment still stands. Especially when a 4790k will yield the same performance in gaming as a 5930k (assuming the 5930k can even reach the overclock that a 4790k can). 

 

But console have nothing to do with that, I don't know much about game developing but I don't just because the port on the console uses 8 core at it best, the port on the PC would use 8 cores very efficiently.

 

I know and console have nothing to do with that, see above I may be wrong.

It has nothing to directly do with that, other than it's easier to re-optimize a game using a similar scheme -- i.e. the game was optimized for 8 cores, so it's easier to maintain that 8-core optimization. 

[cesrai]

My comment still stands. Especially when a 4790k will yield the same performance in gaming as a 5930k (assuming the 5930k can even reach the overclock that a 4790k can). 

 

It has nothing to directly do with that, other than it's easier to re-optimize a game using a similar scheme -- i.e. the game was optimized for 8 cores, so it's easier to maintain that 8-core optimization. 

Then why are those games crap ???? still don't think it does, @LukaP what is your take on this ?? I would value your opinion. 

[n.ZERO_g]

so guys for streaming wouldnt more cores and more threads give better performance than faster lesser cores???

i dont know... would like to know

[Aniallation]

I know that my point is consoles having 8 cores doesn't make that massive effect on the PC port.

Consoles don't even allocate all 8 cores to games. Most can only use 6 at maximum. Only a very select few on Xbox One can use 7.

[cesrai]

Consoles don't even allocate all 8 cores to games. Most can only use 6 at maximum. Only a very select few on Xbox One can use 7.

So this even helps my point, I know the PS4 allocates one core for recording I guess but I'm not sure

[Aniallation]

So this even helps my point, I know the PS4 allocates one core for recording I guess but I'm not sure

I don't even understand your point in the first place.

[cesrai]

I don't even understand your point in the first place.

I don't think Console having 8 cores affects the PC port, DX12 will help, but console having 8 cores won't.

[Aniallation]

I don't think Console having 8 cores affects the PC port, DX12 will help, but console having 8 cores won't.

It does affect the PC port to a certain extent, but it's more of how the developer codes the PC port.