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[Gotham]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel - Core i7-7800X 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor	$361.97 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler	be quiet! - Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler	$84.99 @ SuperBiiz
Motherboard	EVGA - X299 FTW K EATX LGA2066 Motherboard	$193.90 @ OutletPC
Memory	G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$186.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Kingston - A400 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$27.99 @ Amazon
Storage	Samsung - 850 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$179.89 @ Amazon
Storage	Seagate - Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
Storage	Western Digital - Caviar Blue 750GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
Video Card	EVGA - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB GAMING Video Card	$238.00 @ B&H
Power Supply	EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply	$111.57 @ Monoprice
Operating System	Microsoft - Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit	$124.79 @ OutletPC
Monitor	Samsung - LC32F391FWNXZA 32.0" 1920x1080 60Hz Monitor	$252.99 @ Amazon
Monitor	Samsung - LC32F391FWNXZA 32.0" 1920x1080 60Hz Monitor	$252.99 @ Amazon
Keyboard	Logitech - G910 Orion Spectrum RGB Wired Gaming Keyboard
Mouse	Logitech - G700s Wireless Laser Mouse
Headphones	Turtle Beach - PX22 Headset
Other	Blue Microphones Yeti USB Microphone - Blackout Edition	$129.00 @ Amazon
Other	ARCTIC COOLING ACCEL-MONO-PLUS Fluid Dynamic Accelero Mono PLUS VGA	$37.99 @ Amazon
Other	Spectrum Diversified Euro Banana Holder, Chrome	Purchased For $13.94
Other	Corsair Carbide Series 275R Tempered Glass Mid-Tower Gaming Case White	$79.99 @ Amazon
Other	Stony-Edge Microphone/Headset/Headphone Audio Extension Cable for iPhone or Smartphones, 3.5mm TRRS Male to Female, 13 Feet	$16.95 @ Adorama
Other	Capstone LED Puck Lights with Directional Base, 5 Count	$34.99 @ Amazon
Other	Logitech G-series G402 mouse pad	Purchased For $16.99
Other	SolidGear 650W Power Supply	Purchased For $49.99
Other	ULTRA Etorque™ A5 Mid-Tower ATX Gaming Case	Purchased For $60.00
Other	HyperX HX-HSCR-GM Cloud Revolver Gaming Headset for PC & PS4	Purchased For $119.99
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$2605.90
	Mail-in rebates	-$30.00
	Total	$2575.90
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-30 13:06 EDT-0400

 

[Dedayog]

You forgot a whole bunch of words asking specifically what you need help with

Otherwise, nice build.

[Gotham]

Just now, jstudrawa said:

You forgot a whole bunch of words asking specifically what you need help with

Otherwise, nice build.

I don't know what i should upgrade next

[Eastman51]

2 minutes ago, Gotham said:

I don't know what i should upgrade next

Upgrade from a 1060 to a 1080 or a 20 series?

Go from 16 GB RAM to 32+?

Upgrade from SATA SSD to NVMe M.2?

[Gotham]

Just now, Eastman51 said:

Upgrade from a 1060 to a 1080 or a 20 series?

Go from 16 GB RAM to 32+?

Upgrade from SATA SSD to NVMe M.2?

i'm thinking about personally going to 64gb's of ram and doing two 1080 TI's if possible and didn't truly think about doing the M.2 SSD

[SupaKomputa]

Upgrading RAM won't make your system faster.

I have a 16gb and it never full. Only upgrade memory if you are certain you need it.

 

I think the best upgrade will be NVME or GPU.

[Dedayog]

i'd get a good monitor.  Or possibly audio.

 

Otherwise you're in the "upgrade just to upgrade" area.  Find somewhere else to spend money on. 

 

Car, house, bike, etc.  PC is only going to get minimal improvements outside of GPU, and it doesn't sound like you use it to game.

[Eastman51]

11 minutes ago, Gotham said:

i'm thinking about personally going to 64gb's of ram and doing two 1080 TI's if possible and didn't truly think about doing the M.2 SSD

I mean, you could do that. But 32GB and one 1080Ti would probably be fine too. M.2 SSD is fun, I will probably only use them from now on for boot drives.

5 minutes ago, SupaKomputa said:

Upgrading RAM won't make your system faster.

I have a 16gb and it never full. Only upgrade memory if you are certain you need it.

RAM is actually the easiest way to make your system faster. But it has diminishing returns, so upgrading it beyond a certain point will not yield a noticeable/significant increase. (8GB to 16GB is a noticeable jump. 16GB to 32GB is less noticeable. Based off my experience at least).

[Wh0_Am_1]

40 minutes ago, Gotham said:

i'm thinking about personally going to 64gb's of ram and doing two 1080 TI's if possible and didn't truly think about doing the M.2 SSD

Another thing to think about is those HDDs look like they are probably getting rather old, so it may be worth your time to replace them in the near future, (you know before they fail) and use the old ones for backups, a NAS, or something. Also, I would recommend taking a look at getting Optane, whether for use as a cache, or as more cheap RAM.

 

[SupaKomputa]

19 minutes ago, Eastman51 said:

RAM is actually the easiest way to make your system faster. But it has diminishing returns, so upgrading it beyond a certain point will not yield a noticeable/significant increase. (8GB to 16GB is a noticeable jump. 16GB to 32GB is less noticeable. Based off my experience at least).

wooott??

Do you know how ram works?

Yes you are gaining more performance from 8 to 16, because you are using more than 8gb in your system.

If you need more memory than you're system support, some of it will be transfered to your harddrive as pagefiles.

This process will slow down the system because moving things from the hdd / ssd is much slower.

So if you are using 12gb of memory but the system only has 8gb, 4gb will be strored in the pagefiles.

But if you use 16gb the pagefile will not be used.

Now if you are using the same 12gb on 32gb memory, the performance of the pc will be the same as 16gb.

I hope you get that.

[Wh0_Am_1]

27 minutes ago, Eastman51 said:

 

RAM is actually the easiest way to make your system faster. But it has diminishing returns, so upgrading it beyond a certain point will not yield a noticeable/significant increase. (8GB to 16GB is a noticeable jump. 16GB to 32GB is less noticeable. Based off my experience at least).

This is only the case if you don't have enough of it, at the moment, few people would use more than 16GB of RAM. (I only use more because of the million and one tabs I have open for multitasking) Otherwise the easiest ways of upgrading your system include installing an SSD (if you don't have one) a large HDD (for all them files) a recent/faster GPU (in the name of them frames), and then a CPU/MOBO (if you are producing content or your CPU is bottle-necking your GPU).

[SupaKomputa]

6 minutes ago, Wh0_Am_1 said:

This is only the case if you don't have enough of it, at the moment, few people would use more than 16GB of RAM. (I only use more because of the million and one tabs I have open for multitasking) Otherwise the easiest ways of upgrading your system include installing an SSD (if you don't have one) a large HDD (for all them files) a recent/faster GPU (in the name of them frames), and then a CPU/MOBO (if you are producing content or your CPU is bottle-necking your GPU).

156 tabs for me, still have 30% memory left haha...

[Eastman51]

35 minutes ago, SupaKomputa said:

wooott??

Do you know how ram works?

Yes you are gaining more performance from 8 to 16, because you are using more than 8gb in your system.

If you need more memory than you're system support, some of it will be transfered to your harddrive as pagefiles.

This process will slow down the system because moving things from the hdd / ssd is much slower.

So if you are using 12gb of memory but the system only has 8gb, 4gb will be strored in the pagefiles.

But if you use 16gb the pagefile will not be used.

Now if you are using the same 12gb on 32gb memory, the performance of the pc will be the same as 16gb.

I hope you get that.

If you use more than you have, than its an even bigger increase in performance. If you have more RAM it becomes easier for the system to allocate memory for applications. 12 GB on 16GB total will feel different than 12GB on 32GB total. If your max is 16 and you use 12 the system will begin to work at clearing not readily needed data because it is getting closer to the total amount of memory. If your max is 32, using 12 won't cause any of this to happen because you are still far from maxing out your memory.

 

Besides, even if you dig into your pagefile, there is still a cap at how much memory you can store at once. When you reach the maximum (pagefile or not) the system will work to clear the memory. By having more available memory, the system does not need to clear out potentially necessary data as often, or ever if you have enough RAM. edit: The Pagefile is really only used as a last resort when you absolutely cannot spare enough RAM, and if you need too much, Windows will shutdown or force quit the application using excessive amounts of memory. Windows does have a cap on how much memory can be stored in a pagefile, last I checked 5 GB was the max. But even if you tap into the pagefile, Windows doesn't like to use more than 1 or 2 GB of it.

 

In short, having more RAM means that the system does not need to clear out any in use data, thus improving system performance across all tasks and regardless of CPU. Even with a HDD, more RAM can increase load times (not as much as an SSD). But as I said earlier, there is diminishing returns. If you use 12GB and upgrade to 24GB, that's fine. But if you upgraded to 32GB instead, the improvement would be the same (more or less). 

 

My laptop originally shipped with 8GB of RAM (has an i5-7300HQ and 4GB 1050). While playing most games, total system RAM usage did not exceed 6 GB. I upgraded to 16GB and noticed a significant improvement in the same games while not using anymore RAM than I had been using before. The same has happened with my desktop when I went from 16 GB to 32GB, web browsing on another monitor while having a RAM heavy game on the other (using no more than 13 or 14 GB) also had a good increase in performance. 8 - 12 or 16 - 24 on my PCs would have been just as fine.

[Eastman51]

22 minutes ago, Wh0_Am_1 said:

This is only the case if you don't have enough of it, at the moment, few people would use more than 16GB of RAM. (I only use more because of the million and one tabs I have open for multitasking) Otherwise the easiest ways of upgrading your system include installing an SSD (if you don't have one) a large HDD (for all them files) a recent/faster GPU (in the name of them frames), and then a CPU/MOBO (if you are producing content or your CPU is bottle-necking your GPU).

An SSD upgrade from an HDD will improve system boot times and application load times. But RAM improves system responsiveness. A CPU increases the complexity of tasks you can perform, and a GPU increases the amount of frames per second and the amount of geometrical detail you can display.

[SupaKomputa]

4 minutes ago, Eastman51 said:

If you use more than you have, than its an even bigger increase in performance. If you have more RAM it becomes easier for the system allocate memory for applications. 12 GB on 16GB total will feel different than 12GB on 32GB total. If your max is 16 and you use 12 the system will begin to work at clearing not readily needed data because it is getting closer to the total amount of memory. If your max is 32, using 12 won't cause any of this to happen because you are still far from maxing out your memory.

 

Besides, even if you dig into your pagefile, there is still a cap at how much memory you can store at once. When you reach the maximum (pagefile or not) the system will work to clear the memory. By having more available memory, the system does not need to clear out potentially necessary data as often, or ever if you have enough RAM. 

 

In short, having more RAM means that the system does not need to clear out any in use data, thus improving system performance across all tasks and regardless of CPU. Even with a HDD, more RAM can increase load times (not as much as an SSD). But as I said earlier, there is diminishing returns. If you use 12GB and upgrade to 24GB, that's fine. But if you upgraded to 32GB instead, the improvement would be the same (more or less). 

 

 

 

12gb is 12gb no matter how much memory you got. if you're ram is less than what you are using, the less important task will be moved to the pagefile.

that is how it works.

 

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My laptop originally shipped with 8GB of RAM (has an i5-7300HQ and 4GB 1050). While playing most games, total system RAM usage did not exceed 6 GB. I upgraded to 16GB and noticed a significant improvement in the same games while not using anymore RAM than I had been using before. The same has happened with my desktop when I went from 16 GB to 32GB, web browsing on another monitor while having a RAM heavy game on the other (using no more than 13 or 14 GB) also had a good increase in performance. 8 - 12 or 16 - 24 on my PCs would have been just as fine.

watch this video so you know whats happening:

 

[Wh0_Am_1]

2 minutes ago, Eastman51 said:

An SSD upgrade from an HDD will improve system boot times and application load times. But RAM improves system responsiveness. A CPU increases the complexity of tasks you can perform, and a GPU increases the amount of frames per second and the amount of geometrical detail you can display.

Adding RAM only improves system responsiveness if there is too little of it, and the data is being written to a slower storage solution, otherwise there is little use for it.

Here is a video to prove it. 

 

 

31 minutes ago, SupaKomputa said:

 

156 tabs for me, still have 30% memory left haha...

I have 91 tabs open eating 11GB of and still have 50% of my RAM available.

 

[Eastman51]

25 minutes ago, SupaKomputa said:

 

12gb is 12gb no matter how much memory you got. if you're ram is less than what you are using, the less important task will be moved to the pagefile.

that is how it works.

 

watch this video so you know whats happening:

 

The pagefile is small. If you have a bunch of chrome tabs open, and open an application that requires a ton of RAM (more than you have available) it will move necessary data for chrome itself to still be running, but will unload most, if not all, the tab data. Saying "12gb is 12gb no matter how much memory you got" is wrong. The long and short of it is that the OS WILL remove data from memory if you get too close to your maximum amount. It will begin with data compression in the RAM, and then move to the pagefile, and then get booted out entirely. If you have more RAM, this doesn't need to happen, improving system responsiveness; because data is not being moved, you do not need to wait for data to be reloaded into system memory. AGAIN: Increasing your RAM too much does nothing, but smaller, incremental increases DOES yield improved performance. And this only applies when RAM is your bottlekneck.

 

8 minutes ago, Wh0_Am_1 said:

Adding RAM only improves system responsiveness if there is too little of it, and the data is being written to a slower storage solution, otherwise there is little use for it.

Here is a video to prove it. 

Bruh. I'm done after this post. I have watched these videos before. I work in IT. I understand how pagefiles and RAM works. The more RAM you have, the more multi-tasking you can do, and the system has higher responsiveness.

 

You both have said the same thing and gone and proved my own dam point. I'm saying that you need just more than "just enough." If you have too little then, as all of us have been saying, your system is slow. And, having too much RAM is not cost effective and does you no good. And when you're a generic user and your PC feels slow, the answer is always RAM; because the only "intensive" thing you do is try to do more and more multi-tasking.

 

If you don't understand (or me, whatever), then lets just agree to disagree.

[Wh0_Am_1]

Just now, Eastman51 said:

 

 

Bruh. I'm done after this post. I have watched these videos before. I work in IT. I understand how pagefiles and RAM works. The more RAM you have, the more multi-tasking you can do, and the system has higher responsiveness.

 

You both have said the same thing and gone and proved my own dam point. I'm saying that you need just more than "just enough." If you have too little then, as all of us have been saying, your system is slow. And, having too much RAM is not cost effective and does you no good. And when you're a generic user and your PC feels slow, the answer is always RAM; because the only "intensive" thing you do is try to do more and more multi-tasking.

 

If you don't understand (or me, whatever), then lets just agree to disagree.

From the sounds of it you were saying the more the better, while this may be the case, to a certain extent, I was stating that if you have more than you can use, (like more than 20% of your RAM available at peak use) there is no perceivable benefit, and that your money would be better spent on other parts of the PC, and that most people have no need for more than 16GB of RAM.

[Eastman51]

1 minute ago, Wh0_Am_1 said:

From the sounds of it you were saying the more the better, while this may be the case, to a certain extent, I was stating that if you have more than you can use, (like more than 20% of your RAM available at peak use) there is no perceivable benefit, and that your money would be better spent on other parts of the PC, and that most people have no need for more than 16GB of RAM.

Yea, that's what I've basically been saying (albeit in 10x the words). 

[Gotham]

20 hours ago, SupaKomputa said:

Upgrading RAM won't make your system faster.

I have a 16gb and it never full. Only upgrade memory if you are certain you need it.

 

I think the best upgrade will be NVME or GPU.

Well when i run Two games, it ends up hitting almost 16gb's so i clearly need more.