Power Supply (Questions)

[Philusaphur]

Can this power supply support this build? 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor	$489.99 @ Amazon Canada
CPU Cooler	be quiet! - Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler	Purchased For $92.70
Motherboard	ASRock - Z370 Pro4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard	Purchased For $139.99
Memory	G.Skill - Aegis 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$165.99 @ Newegg Canada
Video Card	Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB WINDFORCE OC 8G Video Card	$609.99 @ Newegg Canada
Case	Fractal Design - Meshify C Dark TG ATX Mid Tower Case	Purchased For $119.00
Power Supply	SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply	$106.99 @ PC-Canada
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$1724.65
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-06 20:46 EDT-0400

 

 

[Philusaphur]

Just now, Alexsolo said:

650W is a great pick! Great quality. 

Oh, Thanks man. I was holding off on buying things cause I did not know if the power supply can hold up.

[Philusaphur]

Just now, Alexsolo said:

More than enough, I had a 650W Bronze Thermaltake running 3 GTX 1060'a a 4790 I7 and 32GB of RAM.

What if you plan to overclock the cpu?

[Opencircuit74]

1 minute ago, Philusaphur said:

What if you plan to overclock the cpu?

You'll be fine. With a single 1080, you should have more than enough power for that CPU to sustain an overclock, provided adequate cooling.

[Philusaphur]

Just now, Alexsolo said:

Not overclocked on full load I was pulling 450W... I'm just saying that as an extreme example, but in your case with 1 GPU and not running 24/7 you should be good. On top of that you'd have an 80+ gold efficiency which will pull less power on full load than my PSU did. I was mining bitcoin last year when I had this setup.

 

1 minute ago, Opencircuit74 said:

You'll be fine. With a single 1080, you should have more than enough power for that CPU to sustain an overclock, provided adequate cooling.

Thanks guys. I'll go ahead and buy the parts now. I was worrying if the power supply can't handle the Pc.

[Stefan Payne]

55 minutes ago, Philusaphur said:

Can this power supply support this build? 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor	$489.99 @ Amazon Canada
CPU Cooler	be quiet! - Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler
		Canada
Video Card	Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB WINDFORCE OC 8G Video Card	$609.99 @ Newegg Canada
Power Supply	SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply	$106.99 @ PC-Canada
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts

 

 

1) you should get a Ryzen 7/2700x because its over 100 Canadian Dollars cheaper:

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/bddxFT/amd-ryzen-7-2700x-37ghz-8-core-processor-yd270xbgafbox

 

2) 550W is enough, there are Alternatives like Bitfenix Whisper M, be quiet Straight Power 11.

[Lordclouds]

10 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

1) you should get a Ryzen 7/2700x because its over 100 Canadian Dollars cheaper:

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/bddxFT/amd-ryzen-7-2700x-37ghz-8-core-processor-yd270xbgafbox

 

2) 550W is enough, there are Alternatives like Bitfenix Whisper M, be quiet Straight Power 11.

yes its cheaper but depends if you are gaming only. gaming intel, work ryzen

[Stefan Payne]

4 minutes ago, Lordclouds said:

yes its cheaper but depends if you are gaming only. gaming intel, work ryzen

Where did you hear that nonsense??
It also depends on the Price. The thing is that Intel has a Supply shortage wich increases the prices dramatically.

 

Here in Germany the 2700x is around 300€

The i7-8700K is 150€ more! No joke, its sold for 450€ right now. 

Look at Geizhals.

And that is the point you're missing, the price...

And you are also getting a decent heatsink as well.

 

Are you really willing to pay 150€ for the Intel?!

[Philusaphur]

1 hour ago, Stefan Payne said:

Where did you hear that nonsense??
It also depends on the Price. The thing is that Intel has a Supply shortage wich increases the prices dramatically.

 

Here in Germany the 2700x is around 300€

The i7-8700K is 150€ more! No joke, its sold for 450€ right now. 

Look at Geizhals.

And that is the point you're missing, the price...

And you are also getting a decent heatsink as well.

 

Are you really willing to pay 150€ for the Intel?!

Well, I already have a mother board for it. It's too late to go for ryzen right now.

[Stefan Payne]

3 minutes ago, Philusaphur said:

Well, I already have a mother board for it. It's too late to go for ryzen right now.

You can sell that or exchange it for a Ryzen Motherboard...

And you also wouldn't probably be able to upgrade while there will be 7nm Ryzen next year...

[Lordclouds]

3 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

You can sell that or exchange it for a Ryzen Motherboard...

And you also wouldn't probably be able to upgrade while there will be 7nm Ryzen next year...

I know the price difference I own a Ryzen 7 2700k for working and gaming. Is just that overall intel perform better for gaming is not that noticeable tho 

[Stefan Payne]

7 minutes ago, Lordclouds said:

for gaming is not that noticeable tho 

Why then pay the 150€ Premium??
Especially when its probable that the prices will go further up for consumers as Intel has to deliver their stuff to the sources they have long term contracts with first.

[Lordclouds]

Just now, Stefan Payne said:

Why then pay the 150€ Premium??
Especially when its probable that the prices will go further up for consumers as Intel has to deliver their stuff to the sources they have long term contracts with first.

For a secure OC, I recommend I7. And because most games are built around it. I know the price difference. AMD has lit a fire under Intel's ass so i doubt prices will go up

[Lordclouds]

Just now, Lordclouds said:

For a secure OC, I recommend I7. And because most games are built around it. I know the price difference. AMD has lit a fire under Intel's ass so i doubt prices will go up

I do love the Ryzen 7 do it allows me to game and work in one computer without suffering at all.

[Stefan Payne]

6 minutes ago, Lordclouds said:

For a secure OC, I recommend I7.

There is no "secure OC". Its always a game of luck and playing with instability...

 

6 minutes ago, Lordclouds said:

 

And because most games are built around it. I know the price difference. AMD has lit a fire under Intel's ass so i doubt prices will go up

https://geizhals.de/intel-core-i7-8700k-bx80684i78700k-a1685281.html

 

Click on the symbol on the right, above the Bell.

 

Might need translation:

https://www.planet3dnow.de/cms/40572-intels-desktop-prozessoren-verteuern-sich-deutlich/

and

https://www.planet3dnow.de/cms/40702-preissteigerungen-bei-intel-prozessoren-erreichen-us-markt/

 

in english:

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/276481-intel-faces-14nm-shortage-as-cpu-prices-rise

 

So why Pay 150-200€ more for about the same performance?!
Right now the Intel might be a bit better but you seem to forget that its only a 6 Core while the 2700x is an 8 core.

[Lordclouds]

1 minute ago, Stefan Payne said:

https://geizhals.de/intel-core-i7-8700k-bx80684i78700k-a1685281.html

 

Click on the symbol on the right, above the Bell.

 

Might need translation:

https://www.planet3dnow.de/cms/40572-intels-desktop-prozessoren-verteuern-sich-deutlich/

and

https://www.planet3dnow.de/cms/40702-preissteigerungen-bei-intel-prozessoren-erreichen-us-markt/

 

 

 As long as there is competition there will always be lower prices. 

[Stefan Payne]

1 hour ago, Lordclouds said:

 As long as there is competition there will always be lower prices. 

You don't get it...

The Prices for Intel Chips are rising, I've added a couple of other Links as well.

"Insider" claim that it might continue until 2nd Half 2019.

 

And Next Year there will be a Ryzen in 7nm - Intel doesn't even have a working 10nm fab!!

So we have the same Situation as with Bulldozer, just in Reveser:
AMD has the 7nm Chip, while Intel has to live with 14nm right now...

 

So there are 2 Reasons to get Ryzen:

a) get a similar product for way less money. A 2600 is around 160€

b) upgrade to a 7nm product next year...

[Lordclouds]

9 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

You don't get it...

The Prices for Intel Chips are rising, I've added a couple of other Links as well.

"Insider" claim that it might continue until 2nd Half 2019.

 

And Next Year there will be a Ryzen in 7nm - Intel doesn't even have a working 10nm fab!!

So we have the same Situation as with Bulldozer, just in Reveser:
AMD has the 7nm Chip, while Intel has to live with 14nm right now...

 

So there are 2 Reasons to get Ryzen:

a) get a similar product for way less money. A 2600 is around 160€

b) upgrade to a 7nm product next year...

The price for everything is rising os just that AMD purposely undercuts intel every time.Research cost a lot is easy to just copy it

[seon123]

4 minutes ago, Lordclouds said:

The price for everything is rising os just that AMD purposely undercuts intel every time.Research cost a lot is easy to just copy it

You seemingly have absolutely no clue about what you're talking about. 

Right now, the claim is that Intel struggles to meet demand on their 14nm production line. Shortage means lower supply, leading to increased prices. Add to that, the retailers taking any opportunity to jack up the prices, and you have Intel's price increase over the past few weeks. 

[Stefan Payne]

26 minutes ago, Lordclouds said:

The price for everything is rising os just that AMD purposely undercuts intel every time.Research cost a lot is easy to just copy it

That statement is so wrong on many levels...

 

1) Ryzen is something that AMD developed themselves, they did not copy an Intel Chip, they at most copied themselves (Playstation 4 and XBox One APU architecture, both with two 4 Core CPUs with an interface - like Ryzen). Even the Northbridge inside the CPU is new, wich was one of THE Problems that hindered Bulldozer. So the statement about R&D is wrong...

2) not everything gets more expensive as there is no shortage of AMD CPUs right now while there is a shortage on Intel. So if the supply can not compete with the demand, prices will increase. 

3) and thus the price of the Ryzen 2700x was always around the same, with one exception (25.8. wich listed 270€), the Rest of the Time its between 300 and 320€.

This Link proves it:

https://geizhals.de/?phist=1804456

 

While the Price of the I7-8700K increased about 100€ over the last couple of weeks:

https://geizhals.de/?phist=1685281

 

You think that's an exeption? Good, lets look at other CPUs:

2600x -> https://geizhals.de/?phist=1804460 the usual fluctuations, nothing really happening.

2400G -> https://geizhals.de/?phist=1758261 the usual fluctuation, with a downward trend.

1500X -> https://geizhals.de/?phist=1604878 the same

1700 -> https://geizhals.de/?phist=1582201 price falling dramatically in the last couple of weeks, probably due to a price reduction from AMD.

2600-> https://geizhals.de/?phist=1804462 a small increase in price over the last couple of days but nothing special here either.

 

 

Celeron G4900 -> https://geizhals.de/?phist=1796131 +10€ (or around 25%)

I7-8700 -> https://geizhals.de/?phist=1699929 from around 300 to over 400€, right now its 429€ - a Rise in 129€

i5-8500 -> https://geizhals.de/?phist=1795399 rose from ~200€ in September to around 249, right now its around 229,90€

i3-8100 -> https://geizhals.de/?phist=1699931 normal Price around 100€, min 85€ for a day or two, right now 123€, max around 170€ - 2 Days ago!

i7-8086K -> https://geizhals.de/?phist=1825802 normal price around 415€, right now its 450€

i7-8700k -> https://geizhals.de/?phist=1685281 normal price around 330€, right now its 440€ - over 110€ more, highest price was 460€ on Friday

i5-8600K -> https://geizhals.de/?phist=1697344 normal price around 230€ or so, right now its 271€, highest price was 310€ - also over 100€ more than the normal price.

i3-8350K -> https://geizhals.de/?phist=1697354 Normal Price around 150€ or so, right now 180€, highest price around 200€.

 

You get it now, that the Prices of Intel is increasing and that that shifts the recommendation more towards AMD??

Because the List for Recommendations are based on old prices, wwith the 8700K being only slightly more expensive than the 2700X. But right now we are talking about a difference of almost 150€! And thus you have to rethink what you are recommending because of the difference in Price.

As the question always is how moch fps do I get for the money!!

 

So with the increased price you pay around 50% more for some CPUs!!

 

 

 

[Lordclouds]

22 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

That statement is so wrong on many levels...

 

1) Ryzen is something that AMD developed themselves, they did not copy an Intel Chip, they at most copied themselves (Playstation 4 and XBox One APU architecture, both with two 4 Core CPUs with an interface - like Ryzen). Even the Northbridge inside the CPU is new, wich was one of THE Problems that hindered Bulldozer. So the statement about R&D is wrong...

2) not everything gets more expensive as there is no shortage of AMD CPUs right now while there is a shortage on Intel. So if the supply can not compete with the demand, prices will increase. 

3) and thus the price of the Ryzen 2700x was always around the same, with one exception (25.8. wich listed 270€), the Rest of the Time its between 300 and 320€.

This Link proves it:

https://geizhals.de/?phist=1804456

 

While the Price of the I7-8700K increased about 100€ over the last couple of weeks:

https://geizhals.de/?phist=1685281

 

You think that's an exeption? Good, lets look at other CPUs:

2600x -> https://geizhals.de/?phist=1804460 the usual fluctuations, nothing really happening.

2400G -> https://geizhals.de/?phist=1758261 the usual fluctuation, with a downward trend.

1500X -> https://geizhals.de/?phist=1604878 the same

1700 -> https://geizhals.de/?phist=1582201 price falling dramatically in the last couple of weeks, probably due to a price reduction from AMD.

2600-> https://geizhals.de/?phist=1804462 a small increase in price over the last couple of days but nothing special here either.

 

 

Celeron G4900 -> https://geizhals.de/?phist=1796131 +10€ (or around 25%)

I7-8700 -> https://geizhals.de/?phist=1699929 from around 300 to over 400€, right now its 429€ - a Rise in 129€

i5-8500 -> https://geizhals.de/?phist=1795399 rose from ~200€ in September to around 249, right now its around 229,90€

i3-8100 -> https://geizhals.de/?phist=1699931 normal Price around 100€, min 85€ for a day or two, right now 123€, max around 170€ - 2 Days ago!

i7-8086K -> https://geizhals.de/?phist=1825802 normal price around 415€, right now its 450€

i7-8700k -> https://geizhals.de/?phist=1685281 normal price around 330€, right now its 440€ - over 110€ more, highest price was 460€ on Friday

i5-8600K -> https://geizhals.de/?phist=1697344 normal price around 230€ or so, right now its 271€, highest price was 310€ - also over 100€ more than the normal price.

i3-8350K -> https://geizhals.de/?phist=1697354 Normal Price around 150€ or so, right now 180€, highest price around 200€.

 

You get it now, that the Prices of Intel is increasing and that that shifts the recommendation more towards AMD??

Because the List for Recommendations are based on old prices, wwith the 8700K being only slightly more expensive than the 2700X. But right now we are talking about a difference of almost 150€! And thus you have to rethink what you are recommending because of the difference in Price.

As the question always is how moch fps do I get for the money!!

 

So with the increased price you pay around 50% more for some CPUs!!

 

 

 

I personally own a ryzen 7 2700x and I personally know the price difference. Which is only 80 US dollars. A high end gaming rig will require an intel processor. For example GTA v had issues in my rig, but my brothers intel rig is fine. FC5 also had issues in my rig. Ryzen has a few software issues to work on. And I hope that they fix it in the new release. Z2

[Lordclouds]

2 minutes ago, Lordclouds said:

I personally own a ryzen 7 2700x and I personally know the price difference. Which is only 80 US dollars. A high end gaming rig will require an intel processor. For example GTA v had issues in my rig, but my brothers intel rig is fine. FC5 also had issues in my rig. Ryzen has a few software issues to work on. And I hope that they fix it in the new release. Z2

And yes they did copy intel in their early stage. Now they do their own research

[Stefan Payne]

44 minutes ago, Lordclouds said:

And yes they did copy intel in their early stage. Now they do their own research

No, that's not how it works. If you claim something, you prove it.

 

If you can't prove your claim,its not true. Simple as that.

The only thing they copied could have been the lenth of the pipeline stages.

But that's as valid as saying that Subaru copied a VW engine because both use Cylinders and (allegedly) German Equipment. Its said that the manufacturing equipment came from a German Car Manufacturer that went under in the 60s (and there were a couple)...

 

Its just not true, both are completely different chips with different architectures....

They just both are able to execute x86 instructions....

Because if your statement would be true, Intel would Sue AMD for copyright infringement...

[Lordclouds]

Just now, Stefan Payne said:

No, that's not how it works. If you claim something, you prove it.

 

If you can't prove your claim,its not true. Simple as that.

The only thing they copied could have been the lenth of the pipeline stages.

But that's as valid as saying that Subaru copied a VW engine because both use Cylinders and (allegedly) German Equipment. Its said that the manufacturing equipment came from a German Car Manufacturer that went under in the 60s (and there were a couple)...

 

Its just not true, both are completely different chips with different architectures....

They just both are able to execute x86 instructions....


Because if your statement would be true, Intel would Sue AMD for copyright infringement...

How can you sue when you used to work together?

[Lordclouds]

7 minutes ago, Lordclouds said:

How can you sue when you used to work together?

AMD has complained so much 

https://www.cnet.com/news/intel-and-amd-a-long-history-in-court/