Graphics card upgrade

[Smokey_]

Hi all,

I have a I7-4770, r9 380x and 16GB of RAM.

 

Lately i'm having trouble playing games at high/ultra settings at 60 fps.

Do i need to upgrade my cpu and graphics card or only my graphics card?

What should i get? can i buy a 2080 without bottlenecking my cpu?

 

Thanks

[emosun]

well what is your current bottleneck? have you checked?

[Fasauceome]

2080 is probably overkill. a used 1080 should be the sweet spot.

[STRESSMASTER]

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5 minutes ago, Smokey_ said:

Hi all,

I have a I7-4770, r9 380x and 16GB of RAM.

 

Lately i'm having trouble playing games at high/ultra settings at 60 fps.

Do i need to upgrade my cpu and graphics card or only my graphics card?

What should i get? can i buy a 2080 without bottlenecking my cpu?

 

Thanks

 

3 minutes ago, emosun said:

well what is your current bottleneck? have you checked?

 

2 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

2080 is probably overkill. a used 1080 should be the sweet spot.

 

your cpu will be the bottleneck on any GPU that is equivalent to a GTX 1070 or higher

[Streetguru]

8 minutes ago, Smokey_ said:

 

Just find a used 980ti on the cheap or a soon to be relatively cheap 1080ti

Although if you're only gaming at 1080p 60hz upgrade your monitor before buying a new GPU

 

 

1 minute ago, STRESSMASTER said:

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your cpu will be the bottleneck on any GPU that is equivalent to a GTX 1070 or higher

His CPU is perfectly fine for 60hz gaming and is likely to be over 100fps still in the average AAA game

[Fasauceome]

2 minutes ago, STRESSMASTER said:

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your cpu will be the bottleneck on any GPU that is equivalent to a GTX 1070 or higher

yeah, not really. I've built a bunch of haswell systems and it's a perfectly fine combo.

[emosun]

2 minutes ago, STRESSMASTER said:

your cpu will be the bottleneck on any GPU that is equivalent to a GTX 1070 or higher

best not to type in absolutes without knowing what software is being used or without knowing any information.

thats why you ask them to check for a current bottleneck instead of blindly stating facts without knowing what they are doing.

[STRESSMASTER]

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Just now, Streetguru said:

Just find a used 980ti on the cheap or a soon to be relatively cheap 1080ti

Although if you're only gaming at 1080p 60hz upgrade your monitor before buying a new GPU

 

 

His CPU is perfectly fine for 60hz gaming and is likely to be over 100fps still in the average AAA game

 

except for anything higher than a 1070. that is where the bottleneck would START and the GPU would go from 100% usage down to 85-90%.

The 970 is a good card but a 1060 6GB is the same and uses a lot less power

[STRESSMASTER]

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36 minutes ago, emosun said:

best not to type in absolutes without knowing what software is being used or without knowing any information.

thats why you ask them to check for a current bottleneck instead of blindly stating facts without knowing what they are doing.

 

I just upgraded a system with this CPU FYI and I tried a 970 1060 6GB and a 1070 and the 1070 actually bottlenecked on the CPU.

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[emosun]

1 minute ago, STRESSMASTER said:

I just upgraded a system with this CPU FYI and I tried a 970 1060 6GB and a 1070 and the 1070 actually bottlenecked on the CPU.

good for you

you have no clue what the op is doing or running on their machine , you also have no clue where their bottleneck is as they haven't checked for it

that's why you don't type in absolutes with zero information , which is what you have.

[Streetguru]

1 minute ago, STRESSMASTER said:

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I just upgraded a system with this CPU FYI and I tried a 970 1060 6GB and a 1070 and the 1070 actually bottlenecked on the CPU.

That CPU is going to be about equal to an R5 1500X and will be perfectly fine

It's unlikely the 1070 is being bottlenecked much unless they're playing on 1080p lower settings in games

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Ryzen_5_1500X/11.html

[STRESSMASTER]

Just now, emosun said:

good for you

you have no clue what the op is doing or running on their machine , you also have no clue where their bottleneck is as they haven't checked for it

that's why you don't type in absolutes with zero information , which is what you have.

dude really re-read

I7-4770, r9 380x and 16GB of RAM

[STRESSMASTER]

Just now, Streetguru said:

That CPU is going to be about equal to an R5 1500X and will be perfectly fine

It's unlikely the 1070 is being bottlenecked much unless they're playing on 1080p lower settings in games

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Ryzen_5_1500X/11.html

correct it is not much but that is where it start and that is all I was saying.

[emosun]

Just now, STRESSMASTER said:

dude really re-read

I7-4770, r9 380x and 16GB of RAM

again you have no idea what they are doing or what software they are trying to use , nor do you know where their bottleneck is becuase they haven't checked for it

[Snipergod87]

20 minutes ago, STRESSMASTER said:

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your cpu will be the bottleneck on any GPU that is equivalent to a GTX 1070 or higher

Not really no, I have a 4770k and a GTX 1070 and have no issues at 1440p 144hz without a CPU bottleneck, friend has a 3770k and a 1070 Ti and has no issues (Not even in battlefield 5, which hits the CPU hard), he runs at 1080p 144hz, it really depends on the game too.

[STRESSMASTER]

3 minutes ago, Snipergod87 said:

Not really no, I have a 4770k and a GTX 1070 and have no issues at 1440p 144hz without a CPU bottleneck, friend has a 3770k and a 1070 Ti and has no issues (Not even in battlefield 5, which hits the CPU hard), he runs at 1080p 144hz, it really depends on the game too.

hmm have you watched your GPU usage %% does it stay at or above 99%?

I'm not saying it won't work. But I experienced a noticeable drop in GPU usage on going from a 1060 6GB to a 1070. It didn't affect the game itself just didn't allow the GPU to fully go to 99-100%

[Snipergod87]

3 minutes ago, STRESSMASTER said:

hmm have you watched your GPU usage %% does it stay at or above 99%?

Only CPU usage really, and this is with more chrome tabs than I can count on 4 hands open, while gaming, and running an android emulator, I never hit 100% or really come that close, other than short bursts which happen.

 

I would love to upgrade to a 9900k system when it comes out but at this point for my gaming and usage it would be a waste of money for no net performance increase.

[Fasauceome]

18 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

That CPU is going to be about equal to an R5 1500X

Haswell doesn't quite have the same single threaded as ryzen, because let's be real, could AMD really get away with selling CPUs that were only as good as 4th gen Intel?

 

23 minutes ago, STRESSMASTER said:

except for anything higher than a 1070. that is where the bottleneck would START and the GPU would go from 100% usage down to 85-90%.

That's not necessarily how bottlenecking works. If it were, and bottlenecking were to be avoided at all costs, there would be an extremely small amount of viable systems to actually build. For example, which GPU should combine with an 8700k to get both operating at 100% in all cases? There has to be only one because lots of GPUs have lots of different horsepower. Is it insane to pair an 8700k with a 1060 6gb? how about with a titan V? according to you, one of these combinations is inappropriate.

 

5 minutes ago, STRESSMASTER said:

have you watched your GPU usage %% does it stay at or above 99%

Again, not a bottleneck. If CPU usage is at 100% but the task is being achieved, there's no deficiency in performance.

[STRESSMASTER]

Just now, Snipergod87 said:

Only CPU usage really, and this is with more chrome tabs than I can count on 4 hands open, while gaming, and running an android emulator, I never hit 100% or really come that close, other than short bursts which happen.

if while gaming you don't get almost 100% usage on the GPU is that not a CPU-GPU bottleneck? (example game tomb raider shadow)

[Snipergod87]

5 minutes ago, STRESSMASTER said:

if while gaming you don't get almost 100% usage on the GPU is that not a CPU-GPU bottleneck? (example game tomb raider shadow)

Other components could be a bottleneck for not high GPU usage, for example, low system ram, or a slow spinning disk, either of those can cause stuttering if the textures are not in GPU memory and need to be loaded from disk, thermal throttling could also cause a "bottleneck".  I was talking only CPU usage in my senario.

I dont have Shadow so I cant test it.

[emosun]

4 minutes ago, STRESSMASTER said:

if while gaming you don't get almost 100% usage on the GPU is that not a CPU-GPU bottleneck? (example game tomb raider shadow)

create your own thread if you need to learn what a bottleneck is and how to look for it

[Streetguru]

4 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

Haswell doesn't quite have the same single threaded as ryzen

First Gen Ryzen is about directly comparable to 4th gen intel products.

Ryzen at 4+ghz is around 160 cb

[STRESSMASTER]

2 minutes ago, emosun said:

create your own thread if you need to learn what a bottleneck is and how to look for it

dude i know what a bottleneck is shop being a .................

[Fasauceome]

Just now, STRESSMASTER said:

dude i know what a bottleneck is shop being a .................

All of us in the thread would respectfully disagree

[STRESSMASTER]

3 minutes ago, Snipergod87 said:

Other components could be a bottleneck for not high GPU usage, for example, low system ram, or a slow spinning disk, either of those can cause stuttering if the textures are not in GPU memory and need to be loaded from disk, thermal throttling could also cause a "bottleneck".  I was talking only CPU usage in my senario.

I dont have Shadow so I cant test it.

I see what you mean I didn't consider he maybe having a HDD not a SSD or NVME etc.