$1400 Build - Risks and Questions

[pcmr2066]

Hi guys,

 

I just have a few questions about this build.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8400 2.8GHz 6-Core Processor  ($195.89 @ B&H) 
Motherboard: ASRock - H310M-ITX/ac Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($79.79 @ SuperBiiz) 
Memory: Team - Vulcan 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($139.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Crucial - MX500 1TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($179.87 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB Turbo Video Card  ($699.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: Fractal Design - Node 202 HTPC Case w/450W Power Supply  ($119.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Total: $1415.52
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-29 21:02 EDT-0400

 

1.) Will I be encountering thermal issues here? Ambient temp is 32c. No external airflow is blown to the case.

 

2.) Will there be a performance hit on the GPU due to the riser card?

 

3.) Will an Open Air card do better in terms of temps? e.g. Zotac ZT-P10810D-10P vs Gigabyte GV-N108TTURBO-11GD

[Herman Mcpootis]

a blower card may have better temps in your case since airflow is choked on m-itx rigs. but get a node 202 without the PSU and get a corsair SF, the one included isn't good.

[Dryden]

According to the 1080ti product page on nvidia website, they recommend a 600W PSU 

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/products/10series/geforce-gtx-1080-ti/

[pcmr2066]

11 minutes ago, Herman Mcpootis said:

a blower card may have better temps in your case since airflow is choked on m-itx rigs. but get a node 202 without the PSU and get a corsair SF, the one included isn't good.

With SF450. Total price is $1459.06

With SF600. Total price is $1487.41

 

The price bump is quite reasonable for the extra peace of mind. Which of the two do you recommend by the way?

 

Though I still think that the included one will handle the system just fine. It's a risk that I might take. If I start getting BSODs on stress tests, then I could always throw out the PSU for an SF one.

[pcmr2066]

36 minutes ago, Dryden said:

According to the 1080ti product page on nvidia website, they recommend a 600W PSU 

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/products/10series/geforce-gtx-1080-ti/

That's true. Nvidia recommends that because most builders who gets a 1080 ti puts a more powerful CPU and several other power consuming components. Also, since some board partner video cards go as high as 350w when OCed and during gaming.

 

As for this system however, this is a pretty conservative system with not much components that draws power

 

 

[Dryden]

31 minutes ago, pcmr2066 said:

With SF450. Total price is $1459.06

With SF600. Total price is $1487.41

 

The price bump is quite reasonable for the extra peace of mind. Which of the two do you recommend by the way?

 

Though I still think that the included one will handle the system just fine. It's a risk that I might take. If I start getting BSODs on stress tests, then I could always throw out the PSU for an SF one.

I would try saving money by getting a cheaper case, downgrading to a 500GB SSD and get a cheap 1TB HDD, and get 600W PSU.  In the future you may want to add more case fans, fan controller, more storage...

[Herman Mcpootis]

1 hour ago, pcmr2066 said:

With SF450. Total price is $1459.06

With SF600. Total price is $1487.41

 

The price bump is quite reasonable for the extra peace of mind. Which of the two do you recommend by the way?

 

Though I still think that the included one will handle the system just fine. It's a risk that I might take. If I start getting BSODs on stress tests, then I could always throw out the PSU for an SF one.

the SF450 is more than enough. the included unit is ancient, and wasn't very good back when it was new anyways.

[Herman Mcpootis]

1 hour ago, pcmr2066 said:

That's true. Nvidia recommends that because most builders who gets a 1080 ti puts a more powerful CPU and several other power consuming components. Also, since some board partner video cards go as high as 350w when OCed and during gaming.

 

As for this system however, this is a pretty conservative system with not much components that draws power

 

 

no, a 4960x overclocked with a 1080ti won't even reach 400w from the wall, a good 450w PSU is enough.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/11180/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-review/16

[Dryden]

2 hours ago, Herman Mcpootis said:

the SF450 is more than enough. the included unit is ancient, and wasn't very good back when it was new anyways.

I noticed that your system uses a 650W PSU:  

 

CPU: Intel i7-4870HQ Heatsink: Coolermaster TPC 812 GPU: Zotac GTX 1070 Mini RAM: Geil DDR3 2x8GB Evo Potenza mobo: MSI B85-IE35 case: Fractal Design Define C PSU: Superflower Leadex Gold 650W

 

So I'm wondering why you didn't build your system with a 450W PSU.

[Mr. PC]

5 hours ago, pcmr2066 said:

Hi guys,

 

I just have a few questions about this build.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8400 2.8GHz 6-Core Processor  ($195.89 @ B&H) 
Motherboard: ASRock - H310M-ITX/ac Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($79.79 @ SuperBiiz) 
Memory: Team - Vulcan 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($139.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Crucial - MX500 1TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($179.87 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB Turbo Video Card  ($699.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: Fractal Design - Node 202 HTPC Case w/450W Power Supply  ($119.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Total: $1415.52
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-29 21:02 EDT-0400

 

1.) Will I be encountering thermal issues here? Ambient temp is 32c. No external airflow is blown to the case.

 

2.) Will there be a performance hit on the GPU due to the riser card?

 

3.) Will an Open Air card do better in terms of temps? e.g. Zotac ZT-P10810D-10P vs Gigabyte GV-N108TTURBO-11GD

Looks like a big time CPU bottleneck...

Try going with a ryzen 5 1600

Cheaper and faster plus overclocking support

 

[Herman Mcpootis]

1 hour ago, Dryden said:

I noticed that your system uses a 650W PSU:  

 

So I'm wondering why you didn't build your system with a 450W PSU.

this means anything... how?

back when i got that unit, i was planning to run a dual CPU rig with a 390, not the current i7+1070 combo. 

[PurplDrank]

11 hours ago, pcmr2066 said:

Hi guys,

 

I just have a few questions about this build.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8400 2.8GHz 6-Core Processor  ($195.89 @ B&H) 
Motherboard: ASRock - H310M-ITX/ac Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($79.79 @ SuperBiiz) 
Memory: Team - Vulcan 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($139.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Crucial - MX500 1TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($179.87 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB Turbo Video Card  ($699.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: Fractal Design - Node 202 HTPC Case w/450W Power Supply  ($119.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Total: $1415.52
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-29 21:02 EDT-0400

 

1.) Will I be encountering thermal issues here? Ambient temp is 32c. No external airflow is blown to the case.

 

2.) Will there be a performance hit on the GPU due to the riser card?

 

3.) Will an Open Air card do better in terms of temps? e.g. Zotac ZT-P10810D-10P vs Gigabyte GV-N108TTURBO-11GD

I think this would be a better investment for you.  The build I made for you below can be changed. For example the motherboard i put in can be changed for a cheaper MSI Z370 motherboard thats about $108. The powersupply i put in is a bit much, but i just put that in just to be safe. With a 1070 this is a pretty balanced build. It has no 1080 but the performance will be close, and you are spending less money with the build below. Not to mention you can overclock the 8600k 6 core processor if you so desire. 

 

 

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rRTbw6
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rRTbw6/by_merchant/

 

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8600K 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor  ($249.00 @ Walmart) 
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - Hyper 103 43.1 CFM CPU Cooler  ($38.56 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Asus - ROG STRIX Z370-E GAMING ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($197.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($159.98 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Crucial - MX500 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($64.89 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Video Card  ($412.41 @ OutletPC) 
Case: Corsair - SPEC-05 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($57.59 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: Corsair - RMx 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($99.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1280.41
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-30 08:30 EDT-0400

[pcmr2066]

10 hours ago, Dryden said:

I would try saving money by getting a cheaper case, downgrading to a 500GB SSD and get a cheap 1TB HDD, and get 600W PSU.  In the future you may want to add more case fans, fan controller, more storage...

That's a good suggestion. But the Node 202 is quite specific for its use case.

 

6 hours ago, Mr. PC said:

Looks like a big time CPU bottleneck...

Try going with a ryzen 5 1600

Cheaper and faster plus overclocking support

 

For gaming, it's a bottleneck for a few titles. But not big time really. You might have seen UFD Tech's video about it wherein the Ryzen 5 1600 performs better than the i5-8400. But the test components there had issues, thus the result.

 

For most instances, the i5 performs better than the Ryzen 5 in gaming. During testing, you will see that the i5 would have more CPU utilization than the Ryzen 5. And that's actually Intel's advantage because the fewer but stronger threads are being utilized better than the more but weaker threads of the Ryzen.

 

The Ryzen 5 1600 + Low Profile Aftermarket cooler (since the stock one won't fit in the Node 202) actually costs a little less than the i5. But the extra heat and wattage produced by the Ryzen should also be considered. For a standard system, I believe that the Ryzen is a better option. But for this specific build, I reckon that the intel is the right choice here.

 

47 minutes ago, PurplDrank said:

I think this would be a better investment for you.  The build I made for you below can be changed. For example the motherboard i put in can be changed for a cheaper MSI Z370 motherboard thats about $108. The powersupply i put in is a bit much, but i just put that in just to be safe. With a 1070 this is a pretty balanced build. It has no 1080 but the performance will be close, and you are spending less money with the build below. Not to mention you can overclock the 8600k 6 core processor if you so desire. 

 

 

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rRTbw6
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rRTbw6/by_merchant/

 

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8600K 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor  ($249.00 @ Walmart) 
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - Hyper 103 43.1 CFM CPU Cooler  ($38.56 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Asus - ROG STRIX Z370-E GAMING ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($197.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($159.98 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Crucial - MX500 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($64.89 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Video Card  ($412.41 @ OutletPC) 
Case: Corsair - SPEC-05 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($57.59 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: Corsair - RMx 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($99.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1280.41
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-30 08:30 EDT-0400

Thank you for your build suggestion. Although this is more of a standard PC build. I'm actually going for an HTPC.

[PurplDrank]

57 minutes ago, pcmr2066 said:

That's a good suggestion. But the Node 202 is quite specific for its use case.

 

For gaming, it's a bottleneck for a few titles. But not big time really. You might have seen UFD Tech's video about it wherein the Ryzen 5 1600 performs better than the i5-8400. But the test components there had issues, thus the result.

 

For most instances, the i5 performs better than the Ryzen 5 in gaming. During testing, you will see that the i5 would have more CPU utilization than the Ryzen 5. And that's actually Intel's advantage because the fewer but stronger threads are being utilized better than the more but weaker threads of the Ryzen.

 

The Ryzen 5 1600 + Low Profile Aftermarket cooler (since the stock one won't fit in the Node 202) actually costs a little less than the i5. But the extra heat and wattage produced by the Ryzen should also be considered. For a standard system, I believe that the Ryzen is a better option. But for this specific build, I reckon that the intel is the right choice here.

 

Thank you for your build suggestion. Although this is more of a standard PC build. I'm actually going for an HTPC.

whoops. I did not see you were going for that kind of build. Still regardless I would switch to the 8600k and the 1070 ti mini. Most likely save you some cash in the long run. Again the 8600k can be overclocked, not that you would want to do that in a mini case with no watercooling or anything like that 

[AngryBeaver]

I would swap to the 8600. Minimal price change, but much better boost clocks which you will want with the 1080ti. If you have a micro-center or are ok ordering from them seperatly you can get a 1TB inland 2.5 for about $89 atm. Then you could add a 480g m.2 from inland for about another $80  so you would have 1.5Tb of space for the same price... and could put games on the 2.5 with OS and such on the m.2

 

The power supply should be ok... that is unless you are planning on doing a lot of OC, but since you are limited to just OC on your GPU i think it will be fine.

 

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BXKqBb
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BXKqBb/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8600 3.1GHz 6-Core Processor  ($219.99 @ B&H)
Motherboard: ASRock - H310M-ITX/ac Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($79.98 @ Newegg Business)
Memory: Team - Vulcan 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial - MX500 1TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($179.87 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB Turbo Video Card  ($699.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Fractal Design - Node 202 HTPC Case w/450W Power Supply  ($119.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $1439.81
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-30 10:46 EDT-0400

[pcmr2066]

2 hours ago, PurplDrank said:

whoops. I did not see you were going for that kind of build. Still regardless I would switch to the 8600k and the 1070 ti mini. Most likely save you some cash in the long run. Again the 8600k can be overclocked, not that you would want to do that in a mini case with no watercooling or anything like that 

If I use something like a Gigabyte GTX 1070 Mini ITX, then I could probably fit a 120mm AIO. The Corsair H60 is quite capable to handle an i5-8600k at around 4.7ghz. I might just need to use an SP fan in front of the GPU then. This is also something to consider as the total cost is actually lower. Thanks for the enlightenment.

 

2 hours ago, AngryBeaver said:

I would swap to the 8600. Minimal price change, but much better boost clocks which you will want with the 1080ti. If you have a micro-center or are ok ordering from them seperatly you can get a 1TB inland 2.5 for about $89 atm. Then you could add a 480g m.2 from inland for about another $80  so you would have 1.5Tb of space for the same price... and could put games on the 2.5 with OS and such on the m.2

 

The power supply should be ok... that is unless you are planning on doing a lot of OC, but since you are limited to just OC on your GPU i think it will be fine.

 

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BXKqBb
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BXKqBb/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8600 3.1GHz 6-Core Processor  ($219.99 @ B&H)
Motherboard: ASRock - H310M-ITX/ac Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($79.98 @ Newegg Business)
Memory: Team - Vulcan 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial - MX500 1TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($179.87 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB Turbo Video Card  ($699.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Fractal Design - Node 202 HTPC Case w/450W Power Supply  ($119.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $1439.81
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-30 10:46 EDT-0400

Ohh... That's a good catch. I wondered why the price difference was so small. But then I saw the culprit. It's the selling price of the i5-8400. It's $195 right now. It usually sells for $179. Geez. You're right though. The i5-8600 is a better value proposition with these prices.

[Guest]

10 hours ago, Mr. PC said:

Looks like a big time CPU bottleneck...

Try going with a ryzen 5 1600

Cheaper and faster plus overclocking support

 

If he is getting a 1080 ti then he should be using a 1440p high refresh rate monitor or a 4k one. That won't be an issue for the i5 8400. Maybe at 1080p where you are more cpu bound.

[PurplDrank]

28 minutes ago, pcmr2066 said:

If I use something like a Gigabyte GTX 1070 Mini ITX, then I could probably fit a 120mm AIO. The Corsair H60 is quite capable to handle an i5-8600k at around 4.7ghz. I might just need to use an SP fan in front of the GPU then. This is also something to consider as the total cost is actually lower. Thanks for the enlightenment.

 

Ohh... That's a good catch. I wondered why the price difference was so small. But then I saw the culprit. It's the selling price of the i5-8400. It's $195 right now. It usually sells for $179. Geez. You're right though. The i5-8600 is a better value proposition with these prices.

really comes down to dollars though. literally an extra 20 or 30 dollars and you got the 8600k

[PurplDrank]

11 hours ago, Mr. PC said:

Looks like a big time CPU bottleneck...

Try going with a ryzen 5 1600

Cheaper and faster plus overclocking support

 

what?!

[Dryden]

4 hours ago, pcmr2066 said:

That's a good suggestion. But the Node 202 is quite specific for its use case.

 

For gaming, it's a bottleneck for a few titles. But not big time really. You might have seen UFD Tech's video about it wherein the Ryzen 5 1600 performs better than the i5-8400. But the test components there had issues, thus the result.

 

For most instances, the i5 performs better than the Ryzen 5 in gaming. During testing, you will see that the i5 would have more CPU utilization than the Ryzen 5. And that's actually Intel's advantage because the fewer but stronger threads are being utilized better than the more but weaker threads of the Ryzen.

 

The Ryzen 5 1600 + Low Profile Aftermarket cooler (since the stock one won't fit in the Node 202) actually costs a little less than the i5. But the extra heat and wattage produced by the Ryzen should also be considered. For a standard system, I believe that the Ryzen is a better option. But for this specific build, I reckon that the intel is the right choice here.

 

Thank you for your build suggestion. Although this is more of a standard PC build. I'm actually going for an HTPC.

oh HTPC. I was under the assumption you were building a gaming/workstation build.