Moving from console to pc

[Brookegamer2020]

Hey guys

I have decided to move from an of ps4 to this build (I don't have a list yet but this is my general idea)

I5 8600 non k or ryżem 2600x

B360/b450

16 GB of ram 

Gtx 1060 6gb/rx580

1TB ssd

I mostly wanted to play games like hearts of iron stellaris  , civ 5 and 6 etc , with some AAA games like fallout 4 and 76 + GTA online and some shooters , I have 2 questions 

1.Which one should I get if I'm aiming for 60 fps in CPU heavy games like the ones I mentioned above , and would either last me 2 years at 60hz , 1080p for now , I might move to an 1160 and a 1440p monitor somewhere in 2019 if it'll be worth but for its 60 hz 1080p

2.How big of a quality jump can I expect from an og  ps4 to this build?

 

[Streetguru]

4 minutes ago, Brookegamer2020 said:

 

Do you actually have the money for that system or were you going to try and save up for it?

What budget/Country? And you need to buy a monitor/keyboard/mouse as well?

[Sernefarian]

If you have a freesync monitor go with the rx580 if your monitor is g sync or has neither either one will do with the two trading blows in games for overall max fps and 1% lows on FPS.

 

For absolute max FPS between the two processor side the 8600 will likely win in most all titles with a margin of perhaps 3-10FPS depending on the title with the 2600X occasionally giving you a 1-2 fps advantage. Civ 5 and 6 prefer the higher instructions per clock more so than the increased core count for lower turn times so that is also another relevant consideration.

 

Would suggest for either build that you attempt to fit in a 2x8 GB kit with at least 3000MHZ and 16-18-18-38 timing or better(like 15-17-17-#). The benefits of that on a RYzen build will be a larger increase in FPS over going with a 2133mhz kit or 2400Mhz kit than with the intel system.

 

On the SSD if you want max performance at without spending more than something like 700+ then go with a 970 Pro 1TB, you could also go with the ADATA XPG SZX8200 960 GB which is on par with a 960 Pro and costs significantly less most places in the world than either a 970 Pro or 960 Pro.

Edited July 29, 2018 by Sernefarian
added more infos.

[Brookegamer2020]

Thanks I have the builds already planned out and have cash in hand  , just one question about the i5 , it should last me 2 years at my desired 60 fps right?

[Sernefarian]

As long as you keep your GPU in current enough it will probably be able to last you even longer than that perhaps toughing it out for 4 years.

[Streetguru]

2 minutes ago, Brookegamer2020 said:

Thanks I have the builds already planned out and have cash in hand  , just one question about the i5 , it should last me 2 years at my desired 60 fps right?

The Ryzen 5 2600 is a better value CPU, gives you more options with the extra multi-threaded performance.

 

the RX 580 is the easy choice for free-sync savings, but if you're in the US post your parts list, to check if you're buying a crap PSU or a case with no airflow.

And you 100% don't need a 1TB SSD, go for an X470 motherboard so you can get StoreMI for free, get an ASrock Pro4 B450 board otherwise.
 

 

[Sernefarian]

2 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

The Ryzen 5 2600 is a better value CPU, gives you more options with the extra multi-threaded performance.

 

the RX 580 is the easy choice for free-sync savings, but if you're in the US post your parts list, to check if you're buying a crap PSU or a case with no airflow.

And you 100% don't need a 1TB SSD, go for an X470 motherboard so you can get StoreMI for free, get an ASrock Pro4 B450 board otherwise.
 

 

Could definitely  go with a 480-512GB range SSD for boot and preferred games along with perhaps a 2-4TB HDD for mass storage and spend less than you would on a single 1TB SSD. At least in most markets.

 

I concur with the suggestion Ryzen side to, if it's in budget, get an X470 or at least a X370 baord over a B350/B450 board.

 

In the UK the 2600X is 11 Pounds more than the 8600 at the moment though in the US The price difference is reduced to $4. The greater core and thread count on the 2600X will in all likelihood keep it more relevant as a processor longer than the 8600 will be so that is a consideration for the future there.

[Brookegamer2020]

7 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

The Ryzen 5 2600 is a better value CPU, gives you more options with the extra multi-threaded performance.

 

the RX 580 is the easy choice for free-sync savings, but if you're in the US post your parts list, to check if you're buying a crap PSU or a case with no airflow.

And you 100% don't need a 1TB SSD, go for an X470 motherboard so you can get StoreMI for free, get an ASrock Pro4 B450 board otherwise.
 

 

Thanks I did plan to run a test vm or two , but here was my build idea for now at least 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fsWbCb

[Sernefarian]

Pretty solid choices, but you could switch the RAM to this and get higher clocks at nice tight timings for less money for a small FPS increase.

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gVcMnQ/gskill-memory-f43000c15d16gvs

[Sernefarian]

Apologies for double post, but this is just a parts swap build with a 2600X instead of the 8600. Costs 6 bucks less than your original part list.

 

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600X 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor  ($223.29 @ SuperBiiz) 
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler  ($34.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: ASRock - X370 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($86.89 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($154.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Crucial - MX500 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($92.89 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB AMP! Edition Video Card  ($299.89 @ OutletPC) 
Case: Fractal Design - Define C ATX Mid Tower Case  ($79.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($65.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Total: $1038.92
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-29 03:59 EDT-0400

 

 This is the list with the 8600 still and the ram change I suggested.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8600 3.1GHz 6-Core Processor  ($219.99 @ B&H) 
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler  ($34.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: ASRock - B360 Pro4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($81.58 @ Newegg) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($154.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Crucial - MX500 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($92.89 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB AMP! Edition Video Card  ($299.89 @ OutletPC) 
Case: Fractal Design - Define C ATX Mid Tower Case  ($79.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($65.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Total: $1030.31
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-29 04:02 EDT-0400

Edited July 29, 2018 by Sernefarian
more part lists.

[Streetguru]

18 minutes ago, Brookegamer2020 said:

Thanks I did plan to run a test vm or two , but here was my build idea for now at least 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fsWbCb

The ultra gaming was $109 the other day...

Should get a case with a mesh front so it actually has airflow.
 

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MYtpmq
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MYtpmq/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor  ($169.89 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler  ($34.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($131.19 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Team - Vulcan 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital - Blue 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($69.41 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($43.40 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: XFX - Radeon RX 580 8GB GTS XXX ED Video Card  ($249.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Cooler Master - MasterBox 5 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($54.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($65.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $959.84
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-29 04:07 EDT-0400

[Sernefarian]

Please please not the Blue M.2 SSD. Choose this instead and save some funds.

 

MX500

 

Reason: Comparative Bench Results

[Sernefarian]

7 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

The ultra gaming was $109 the other day...

Think that was a Newegg offer that expired. Sometimes they offer great deals like that. It's one of my favorite thigns about them as a Vendor.

 

... double postiness!

[Streetguru]

1 minute ago, Sernefarian said:

Please please not the Blue M.2 SSD. Choose this instead and save some funds.

 

MX500

 

Reason: Comparative Bench Results

Userbenchmark is relatively useless for actual hardware comparisons.

[Sernefarian]

2 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

Userbenchmark is relatively useless for actual hardware comparisons.

While not entirely true for some things it might as well be. The cost consideration is the major point there. Both drives have the same TBW @ 100 TBW.

 

 

[Streetguru]

2 minutes ago, Sernefarian said:

While not entirely true for some things it might as well be. The cost consideration is the major point there. Both drives have the same TBW @ 100 TBW.

 

 

There's a $5 difference in price, the WD drive comes with

" Free downloadable software to monitor the status of your drive and clone a drive, or backup your data. "

Which may be useful.

[Brookegamer2020]

Is there anything wrong with a 2600X (I'd rather not manually oc),also  could I get a 500 GB 970 Evo and call it a day?

[Sernefarian]

7 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

There's a $5 difference in price, the WD drive comes with

" Free downloadable software to monitor the status of your drive and clone a drive, or backup your data. "

Which may be useful.

Definitely swings things in favor of the WD drive.

 

Have been attempting to find a comparatively complete list of component normalized Windows 10 Boot times across SSDs for quite a while, but not had much success. :It's one of the things you'd think somebody would have decided to start a comparison list on though.

[Sernefarian]

1 minute ago, Brookegamer2020 said:

Is there anything wrong with a 2600X (I'd rather not manually oc),also  could I get a 500 GB 970 Evo and call it a day?

Build choice is all up to you @Brookegamer2020.

 

For the 2600X if I recall correctly there are some hands off options for overclocking depending on your board where you just set what clock speed for the motherboard to attempt to run the processor at.

[Brookegamer2020]

1 minute ago, Sernefarian said:

Build choice is all up to you @Brookegamer2020.

 

For the 2600X if I recall correctly there are some hands off options for overclocking depending on your board where you just set what clock speed for the motherboard to attempt to run the processor at.

Yea I mean the r5 is cool , and hyperthreadimg is pretty useful , but I don't really know , to be honest Intel platform is better in games and has an igou which could help for troubleshooting , I do want to run a test vm and this may be an issue with the i5 , though , again I will have to do some more research and decide , thanks for the help though , pretty happy to join pcmr

[Streetguru]

5 minutes ago, Sernefarian said:

Definitely swings things in favor of the WD drive.

 

Have been attempting to find a comparatively complete list of component normalized Windows 10 Boot times across SSDs for quite a while, but not had much success. :It's one of the things you'd think somebody would have decided to start a comparison list on though.

Basically all of the decent SSDs are the same until you hit NVME.

 

 

5 minutes ago, Brookegamer2020 said:

Is there anything wrong with a 2600X (I'd rather not manually oc),also  could I get a 500 GB 970 Evo and call it a day?

Overclocking Ryzen takes like 2 minutes, just download Ryzen master and don't push the voltage above like 1.35, should be easy enough to hit 4.1/4.2ghz on the 2600

 

[SliceT]

8 core CPU, same price.

Just my 2 cents.

 

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jkZfFt
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jkZfFt/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3GHz 8-Core Processor  ($215.89 @ OutletPC) 
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler  ($34.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: ASRock - X370 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($86.89 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: Team - Vulcan 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($139.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Western Digital - Blue 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($69.41 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($43.40 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: XFX - Radeon RX 580 8GB GTS XXX ED Video Card  ($249.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: Cooler Master - MasterBox 5 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($54.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($65.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Total: $961.54
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-29 05:45 EDT-0400

[Sernefarian]

24 minutes ago, SliceT said:

8 core CPU, same price.

Just my 2 cents.

 

Nice catch.

[SaintERosa]

4 hours ago, Brookegamer2020 said:

Hey guys

I have decided to move from an of ps4 to this build (I don't have a list yet but this is my general idea)

I5 8600 non k or ryżem 2600x

B360/b450

16 GB of ram 

Gtx 1060 6gb/rx580

1TB ssd

I mostly wanted to play games like hearts of iron stellaris  , civ 5 and 6 etc , with some AAA games like fallout 4 and 76 + GTA online and some shooters , I have 2 questions 

1.Which one should I get if I'm aiming for 60 fps in CPU heavy games like the ones I mentioned above , and would either last me 2 years at 60hz , 1080p for now , I might move to an 1160 and a 1440p monitor somewhere in 2019 if it'll be worth but for its 60 hz 1080p

2.How big of a quality jump can I expect from an og  ps4 to this build?

 

Have you considered being an Inspiron 3650 and throwing in a $500 graphics card (1070) and a 650watt psu ($130), if you buy a used one you can it with a 6th gen i5 and have to use ddr3l RAM which is cheaper than ddr4 for like $300. I would recommend the Enermax Revolution SFX 650watt 80PG PSU (its fully modular) it fits inside the case and can be mounted by the screws and you just need 1 24 pin to 8 pin adapter ($20). 

So you could have a

$980 PC with an i5, 650watt psu, 1tb hard drive (7.2Krpm), a 1070 amd 16gb of RAM.

[Dryden]

OP mentioned possibly purchasing a 1440p monitor in 2019 as well as a 1160.  Take into consideration that gsync monitors typical cost around $200 more than freesync monitors.... that is, if you decide to get a monitor with one of these variable refresh technology.  If you decide on the 1060 6gb now but upgrade to 1160 a year later, then that may not be prudent.  Getting the RX580 now and a 1440p (144hz or higher) freesync monitor later may be more cost effective in the long term.  You can keep the freesync monitor for many years and upgrade to a RX680/780? as needed.  just food for thought.  good luck