Help on Headset

[MaxPlaysGames]

Hey, not sure if this is the right section but since Headsets are Peripherals i thought it has to be here.

 

Im looking for a pair of Headsets. Ones that are great to wear and dont give ya ears pain within 2 hours. 

Having a Micro on it would be great aswell. 

 

Im mainly looking for one that gives me a benefit in gaming. Hearing footsteps. 

At first i thought the MMX300 would be great, but turns out its Stereosound, so that isnt really helping me, i assume. 

 

So 2 questions. A) If its a great stereosound, can you still locate enemys around you by their footsteps or not? 

B) What would be a great gaming headset? 

 

Aslong as the price isnt going above 350€, im fine with it. 

Could anyone help greatly appreciated

[ItsTheDuckAgain]

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/531248-the-audio-boards-recommended-gear/

[MCManiac52]

I personally use the razer kraken 7.1 v2 and love it, however it does have a far bit of clamp on it. I've heard really good thing about the HyperX cloud 2, @TurtleTrain may be able to give more information on them but from what i've heard they've got great sound, a good mic and are very comfy. The Kraken 7.1 V2 is much heavier in terms of base and is a larger headset, but probably has more sound proofing. Either would be great for what you're looking for

Thanks,

Corban

[chckovsky]

Audio is probably a better category, but now that you're here:

 

A) Yes, absolutely. Actually, it's much better than the two-three faux surround modes I've tried. Remember, you're only gonna get emulated surround from a stereo set of headphones, and actual surround requires and actual sourround speaker setup.

B) I've recently tried the G933 but will be returning it because it wasn't a good fit for my head, aching quite badly even after a few nights of use. Also it has a brittle quality in the speech range which is perfectly fine for gaming but not for music IMO. My main speakers are 500$ each, so it's not really a fair comparison. But still

[MaxPlaysGames]

7 minutes ago, chckovsky said:

Audio is probably a better category, but now that you're here:

 

A) Yes, absolutely. Actually, it's much better than the two-three faux surround modes I've tried. Remember, you're only gonna get emulated surround from a stereo set of headphones, and actual surround requires and actual sourround speaker setup.

B) I've recently tried the G933 but will be returning it because it wasn't a good fit for my head, aching quite badly even after a few nights of use. Also it has a brittle quality in the speech range which is perfectly fine for gaming but not for music IMO. My main speakers are 500$ each, so it's not really a fair comparison. But still

So the MMX300 would actually be good fit for gaming aswell? Ive heard theyre really really good, comfy and have a relatively good micro on it. Was just afraid that the Stereosound type of it isnt giving me a gaming benefit. 

[MCManiac52]

22 minutes ago, MaxPlaysGames said:

So the MMX300 would actually be good fit for gaming aswell? Ive heard theyre really really good, comfy and have a relatively good micro on it. Was just afraid that the Stereosound type of it isnt giving me a gaming benefit. 

Almost all gaming headsets are stereo, but most come with virtual surround that's just as good. It doesn't look like the MMX300 have any software for it but you can get 3rd party software such as Razer Surround that turns any stereo headset into a virtual surround headset. I used it for a few years on an old headset before I got my Kraken 7.1s and it was just as good as they are, helped massively in PVP games. The MMX300 look really good so if you want to go for them, do it and find a 3rd party vitual surround program.

Thanks,

Corban

[EsaT]

36 minutes ago, MaxPlaysGames said:

Im mainly looking for one that gives me a benefit in gaming. Hearing footsteps. 

At first i thought the MMX300 would be great, but turns out its Stereosound, so that isnt really helping me, i assume.

Anything more than stereo in headphones is BS.

Human hears in "3D" just with two ears/input channel.

That's because head and outer ears cause direction dependant changes to signal received by both ears from sound source.

In recording that can be mimicked by putting mics into ears of dummy head.

Same can be also simulated mathematically.

After that all what's needed is accurate enough reproduction of that signal with those spatial cues.

 

That's where lots of headphones, especially closed designs struggle, and in case of cheap gaming brand trinkets are garbage.

Actually good for gaming open headphones give also good sense of distance besides direction.

Intead of coming from inside ear/next to ear sounds literally feel like actually coming from actual long distances.

Very few closed designs can achieve anything similar.

 

So if you have quiet environment open headphones are better approach for sound, besides also causing lower risk of ears sweating:

Isolating sound also isolates heat inside cups.

Though less fashionable velour pads of MMX300 breath some unlike fashionable pleather pads.

And they're based onto DT770 which is one of the better clsoed heaphones for gaming for price.

But if you don't need sound isolation of closed design there are lot better open headphones for picking game environment apart from sounds.

 

46 minutes ago, MaxPlaysGames said:

Aslong as the price isnt going above 350€, im fine with it.

That would get ModMic, aural god mode level open headphone for binaural sound, and sound card with top level DAC and headphone output good for driving basically any headphone.

(vs gaming brands selling Chinese excrements worth less than 10€ for same price sticker)

[MaxPlaysGames]

2 minutes ago, MCManiac52 said:

Almost all gaming headsets are stereo, but most come with virtual surround that's just as good. It doesn't look like the MMX300 have any software for it but you can get 3rd party software such as Razer Surround that turns any stereo headset into a virtual surround headset. I used it for a few years on an old headset before I got my Kraken 7.1s and it was just as good as they are, helped massively in PVP games. The MMX300 look really good so if you want to go for them, do it and find a 3rd party vitual surround program.

Thanks,

Corban

Thanks, i found out the MMX300 and DT770 Pro are the same besides for the Mic, so might just go for that and grab an extra mic. 

 

[MaxPlaysGames]

3 minutes ago, EsaT said:

1 hour ago, MaxPlaysGames said:

Im mainly looking for one that gives me a benefit in gaming. Hearing footsteps. 

At first i thought the MMX300 would be great, but turns out its Stereosound, so that isnt really helping me, i assume.

Anything more than stereo in headphones is BS.

Human hears in "3D" just with two ears/input channel.

That's because head and outer ears cause direction dependant changes to signal received by both ears from sound source.

In recording that can be mimicked by putting mics into ears of dummy head.

Same can be also simulated mathematically.

After that all what's needed is accurate enough reproduction of that signal with those spatial cues.

 

That's where lots of headphones, especially closed designs struggle, and in case of cheap gaming brand trinkets are garbage.

Actually good for gaming open headphones give also good sense of distance besides direction.

Intead of coming from inside ear/next to ear sounds literally feel like actually coming from actual long distances.

Very few closed designs can achieve anything similar.

 

So if you have quiet environment open headphones are better approach for sound, besides also causing lower risk of ears sweating:

Isolating sound also isolates heat inside cups.

Though less fashionable velour pads of MMX300 breath some unlike fashionable pleather pads.

And they're based onto DT770 which is one of the better clsoed heaphones for gaming for price.

But if you don't need sound isolation of closed design there are lot better open headphones for picking game environment apart from sounds.

 

1 hour ago, MaxPlaysGames said:

Aslong as the price isnt going above 350€, im fine with it.

That would get ModMic, aural god mode level open headphone for binaural sound, and sound card with top level DAC and headphone output good for driving basically any headphone.

(vs gaming brands selling Chinese excrements worth less than 10€ for same price sticker)

So what would you recommend? Open Headset? Would there be better open ones than the MMX300?

And what do you mean with ModMic, Aural god mode level open headphone for binaural sound?

[MCManiac52]

6 minutes ago, MaxPlaysGames said:

Thanks, i found out the MMX300 and DT770 Pro are the same besides for the Mic, so might just go for that and grab an extra mic. 

 

As @EsaT said, the modmic would work great for this, my friend has one and it's very clear when playing games and doesn't pick up much background noise.

 

Edit: the modmic is a third party mic that goes onto any headphones. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Antlion-Audio-ModMic-Attachable-Microphone-Uni-Directional-Mute/dp/B00R98JVVU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1528121879&sr=8-1&keywords=modmic

[EsaT]

5 minutes ago, MaxPlaysGames said:

So what would you recommend? Open Headset? Would there be better open ones than the MMX300?

And what do you mean with ModMic, Aural god mode level open headphone for binaural sound?

For maximal details/neutral bass AKG K702 is ~130€.

Also there are some more bass immersion giving open headphones, which would do better job than closed headphones, but amount of bass is always balancing with details.

In closed headphones stronger bass is even more devastating to "competitiveness"/details.

Because smaller sound stage basically runs faster out of room for other sounds, which get buried under bass.

Sure closed design can give that "standing directly in front of those big speakers in concert" feel open headphones can't really do...

But for accurately hearing where enemies are firing their guns, or where that enemy is walking behind obstacle to be ready to give that "warm welcome" when he rounds corner that's bad. (you could even estimate direction and fire into smoke or through wall if game allows that with chances to hit.)

 

 

And open design is also advantage for comfort by lot less heat insulation.

(I can literally keep open headphones on head for whole day)

So if not needing that external noise isolation closed design pretty much brings only downsides.

 

While not having best settings first minute of this is excellent for quick testing capabilities of headphones:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1_20T8x_OI

With really good open headphones there's very good sense of different distances besides direction.

While with cheap closed design trinket it sounds like having head in bucket under water with no sense of distance...

Headphones can never reproduce anything not already in the signal, but they can always spoil the signal.

 

 

With good headphones that Razer Surround is mediocre with no good sense of distance.

Though it certainly does some fancy equalizing to try to sound special.

https://youtu.be/d1_20T8x_OI?t=8m46s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDBSHNT5jWQ

Made by garbage trinket maker for garbage trinkets...

[MaxPlaysGames]

6 minutes ago, EsaT said:

For maximal details/neutral bass AKG K702 is ~130€.

Also there are some more bass immersion giving open headphones, which would do better job than closed headphones, but amount of bass is always balancing with details.

In closed headphones stronger bass is even more devastating to "competitiveness"/details.

Because smaller sound stage basically runs faster out of room for other sounds, which get buried under bass.

Sure closed design can give that "standing directly in front of those big speakers in concert" feel open headphones can't really do...

But for accurately hearing where enemies are firing their guns, or where that enemy is walking behind obstacle to be ready to give that "warm welcome" when he rounds corner that's bad. (you could even estimate direction and fire into smoke or through wall if game allows that with chances to hit.)

 

 

And open design is also advantage for comfort by lot less heat insulation.

(I can literally keep open headphones on head for whole day)

So if not needing that external noise isolation closed design pretty much brings only downsides.

 

While not having best settings first minute of this is excellent for quick testing capabilities of headphones:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1_20T8x_OI

With really good open headphones there's very good sense of different distances besides direction.

While with cheap closed design trinket it sounds like having head in bucket under water with no sense of distance...

Headphones can never reproduce anything not already in the signal, but they can always spoil the signal.

 

 

With good headphones that Razer Surround is mediocre with no good sense of distance.

Though it certainly does some fancy equalizing to try to sound special.

https://youtu.be/d1_20T8x_OI?t=8m46s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDBSHNT5jWQ

Made by garbage trinket maker for garbage trinkets...

Well i've heard only good about the MMX300 besides being pricey, but from what i read that you write, it sounds bad? 

[EsaT]

7 hours ago, MaxPlaysGames said:

Well i've heard only good about the MMX300 besides being pricey, but from what i read that you write, it sounds bad? 

MMX300 is based onto DT770 which should be one of the better closed designs for gaming.

So compared to gaming brand Chinese garbages it likely shreds them to pieces and pees on those pieces.

But for example open DT990 would be overall better for gaming being well balanced between fun above neutral bass and details.

Besides smaller sound stage closed design doesn't tolerate much of above neutral bass without it starting to bury details.

Though haven't seen frequency response measurements from MMX300 if it's bass is more neutral tuned than that of DT770.

 

AKG K712 has quite similar overall frequency response as DT990.

K702 is clear step ahead in "competitiveness" for distinguishing details with neutral bass doing only what's asked by signal.

Have had DT990 for half dozen years, late last year got K712 and second hand K702.

If wanting to "aurally wallhack" where enemies are in multiplayer fps would certainly pick K702.

With binaural sound next step would be literally game showing precise locations of sound sources around you on map.

 

Though for noisy environment needing sound isolation would likely pick DT700/MMX300.

[MaxPlaysGames]

4 minutes ago, EsaT said:

Though for noisy environment needing sound isolation would likely pick DT700/MMX300.

So i probably will go with the MMX300 then. I dont need 100% precise location, i just need to have the sound that there are people at all, and abouut which direction, i couldnt really pinpoint them 100% accurately anyway. 

Also, since i play at 3440x1440p in highest details, my 1080ti fans are quite noticeable, so that'd help me block that sound off. Also theres some kind of very quiet clicking coming from my pc, which i dont know where it comes from, probably gpu or psu. So thatll be blocked off aswell

 

More importantly is that the mic is relatively good, and the mmx300 has a good mic quality from what ive heard.

 

I will check out the ones you named aswell, so i can see for myself before i just buy one. 

[EsaT]

7 minutes ago, MaxPlaysGames said:

I will check out the ones you named aswell, so i can see for myself before i just buy one. 

If you intend to visit some shop for listening you should have some binaural sound gameplay recording on USB memory.

Stereo sound simply doesn't tell much about true gaming abilities, in fact it forgives bad sound not fit for gaming.

(unless liking head in bucket under water immersion like that of these Turds, which is far from worst of that garbage comparison)

[MaxPlaysGames]

On 5.6.2018 at 1:10 AM, EsaT said:

If you intend to visit some shop for listening you should have some binaural sound gameplay recording on USB memory.

Stereo sound simply doesn't tell much about true gaming abilities, in fact it forgives bad sound not fit for gaming.

(unless liking head in bucket under water immersion like that of these Turds, which is far from worst of that garbage comparison)

So if i were to get a MMX300 + a Sennheiser GSX1200 Pro, price aside for a sec, would that give me insane 7.1 surround and insane music sound?

 

Now price, is there an alternative to this for less than 550€? I hope.

 

Also, no i dont have any shops around that have these headsets im afraid