pc AMD Build vs Intel Build

[MegaMadness]

Which one is better? Anything I should swap out?

 

Intel: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gJNzfH

AMD: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gYQDq4

 

EDIT: I am will be using my build for primarily gaming but I will also be video editing and maybe streaming in the future.

[NMS]

They're both good. But in order to answer the question properly we need to know what the system will be used for.

[Jurrunio]

AMD build looks to be more complete because the VRMs of the Z370P D3 motherboard isn't quite enough to handle an overclocked 8600k, which means it's limited. 

[Herman Mcpootis]

in the first place, what are you gonna be doing with the rig?

[MegaMadness]

Just now, Herman Mcpootis said:

in the first place, what are you gonna be doing with the rig?

 

5 minutes ago, NMS said:

They're both good. But in order to answer the question properly we need to know what the system will be used for.

Gaming and video editing. Maybe streaming in the future.

[Herman Mcpootis]

2 minutes ago, MegaMadness said:

 

Gaming and video editing. Maybe streaming in the future.

the AMD rig but I'd skip the H7 and get a cheaper board for a 2700, and get a 240gb ssd.

[NMS]

1 minute ago, MegaMadness said:

 

Gaming and video editing. Maybe streaming in the future.

Honestly, I'd go for Ryzen 7 2700(X) for some extra cores and a price a bit higher than the Intel CPU. It's only ~$40 more.

[Herman Mcpootis]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 2700 3.2GHz 8-Core Processor  ($289.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Motherboard: ASRock - X370 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($70.98 @ Newegg) 
Memory: Team - Night Hawk RGB 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  (Purchased For $188.98) 
Storage: Crucial - MX500 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($69.99 @ Adorama) 
Storage: Seagate - BarraCuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($44.28 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8GB DUKE Video Card  ($499.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1164.21
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-05-10 05:59 EDT-0400

[MegaMadness]

1 minute ago, Herman Mcpootis said:

the AMD rig but I'd skip the H7 and get a cheaper board for a 2700, and get a 240gb ssd.

I plan to use the SSD only for the Windows Installation so I'm not sure what else I would need it for, quite a big price jump from 120gb to 240gb.

Also talking about bug price jumps, the 2700 is about $100 more than 2600. Are you sure I will need the extra cores and threads? Also why skip the H7? You saying I should use the Wraith Spire in the 2700 or Wraith Stealth in 2600?

[MegaMadness]

2 minutes ago, NMS said:

Honestly, I'd go for Ryzen 7 2700(X) for some extra cores and a price a bit higher than the Intel CPU. It's only ~$40 more.

The 2700X is $80 more expensive than the Intel CPU. Not $40. ;p

[Herman Mcpootis]

Just now, MegaMadness said:

I plan to use the SSD only for the Windows Installation so I'm not sure what else I would need it for, quite a big price jump from 120gb to 240gb.

Also talking about bug price jumps, the 2700 is about $100 more than 2600. Are you sure I will need the extra cores and threads? Also why skip the H7? You saying I should use the Wraith Spire in the 2700 or Wraith Stealth in 2600?

it's only $23 to bump it up to a 250gb MX500 or $7 for the cheapest 240gb ssd, hardly a big bump in cost for twice the storage space. a 120gb ssd will run out easily after a couple programs so the extra space will come in handy. the extra cores will help for streaming and video editing amd the stock cooler will be enough for a mild oc.

[NMS]

1 minute ago, MegaMadness said:

The 2700X is $80 more expensive than the Intel CPU. Not $40. ;p

Depends where you are:) It's around $40 for me.

But if you are set, then I'd go with Ryzen anyway.

Why?

Higher L3 cache, lower TPD, and lower price giving you room for a better cooler, perhaps even an AIO water cooler.

[MegaMadness]

4 minutes ago, NMS said:

Depends where you are:) It's around $40 for me.

But if you are set, then I'd go with Ryzen anyway.

Why?

Higher L3 cache, lower TPD, and lower price giving you room for a better cooler, perhaps even an AIO water cooler.

Do you have any water cooler which is better than my Cryorig H7 that I could use which is $40 or under?

[NMS]

Just now, MegaMadness said:

Do you have any water cooler which is better than my Cryorig H7 that I could use which is $40 or under?

$40 or under? Unfortunately no.

What I can however suggest is almost ANY 240/280mm AIO. But those would start at $90 (mind you, there's almost no difference whatsoever between 240 and 280). And in the end it all comes down to the looks. If you want something to make your system pop then of course NZXT Kraken (x52/x62 (?)) for about $150.

[MegaMadness]

14 minutes ago, Herman Mcpootis said:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 2700 3.2GHz 8-Core Processor  ($289.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Motherboard: ASRock - X370 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($70.98 @ Newegg) 
Memory: Team - Night Hawk RGB 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  (Purchased For $188.98) 
Storage: Crucial - MX500 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($69.99 @ Adorama) 
Storage: Seagate - BarraCuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($44.28 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8GB DUKE Video Card  ($499.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1164.21
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-05-10 05:59 EDT-0400

The GPU only has a Boost Clock of 1683 Mhz?

[MegaMadness]

16 minutes ago, Herman Mcpootis said:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 2700 3.2GHz 8-Core Processor  ($289.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Motherboard: ASRock - X370 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($70.98 @ Newegg) 
Memory: Team - Night Hawk RGB 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  (Purchased For $188.98) 
Storage: Crucial - MX500 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($69.99 @ Adorama) 
Storage: Seagate - BarraCuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($44.28 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8GB DUKE Video Card  ($499.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1164.21
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-05-10 05:59 EDT-0400

Also you didn't suggest me to use an Aftermarket Cooler. Do you suggest I use the Wraith Spire for a non-X version?

I thought non-X were kinda meant to be overclocked?

Also the X370 needs a BIOS update. Do you know where I can get that from?

Also I thought the X470 was better for overclocking and build quality?

[Quadriplegic]

1 minute ago, MegaMadness said:

The GPU only has a Boost Clock of 1683 Mhz?

All 1070 Tis should have same boost clock as FE, since manufacturers are not allowed to overlock, right?

Anyway, if your primary use is gaming, go with Intel.

[Herman Mcpootis]

2 minutes ago, MegaMadness said:

The GPU only has a Boost Clock of 1683 Mhz?

yes, but you aren't gonna notice the difference, and there's GPU boost anyways.

 

1 minute ago, MegaMadness said:

Also you didn't suggest me to use an Aftermarket Cooler. Do you suggest I use the Wraith Spire for a non-X version?

I thought non-X were kinda meant to be overclocked?

Also the X370 needs a BIOS update. Do you know where I can get that from?

Also I thought the X470 was better for overclocking and build quality?

the stock wraith will work just fine.

you can leave it at stock or overclock it.

some will have them updated already. if not, order a bootkit from amd and use it to flash the bios.

X470 is just a chipset, doesn't matter if the company puts rubbish VRMs on it or not.

[MegaMadness]

2 minutes ago, Herman Mcpootis said:

yes, but you aren't gonna notice the difference, and there's GPU boost anyways.

 

the stock wraith will work just fine.

you can leave it at stock or overclock it.

some will have them updated already. if not, order a bootkit from amd and use it to flash the bios.

X470 is just a chipset, doesn't matter if the company puts rubbish VRMs on it or not.

So where can I get a BIOS update for it?

[Nocte]

2 minutes ago, MegaMadness said:

So where can I get a BIOS update for it?

Motherboard manufacturer's website: on the mobo's product page there will be a "Download" section with drivers, BIOS, etc.

[MegaMadness]

Just now, Eibe said:

Motherboard manufacturer's website: on the mobo's product page there will be a "Download" section with drivers, BIOS, etc.

So I can just... 'Download' the BIOS update? No extra money or anything?

[Herman Mcpootis]

1 minute ago, MegaMadness said:

So I can just... 'Download' the BIOS update? No extra money or anything?

nope, just download it along with rufus, make a usb drive bootable, put the files there, set the boot order to the thumbdrive and type down the name of the files.

[MegaMadness]

1 minute ago, Herman Mcpootis said:

nope, just download it along with rufus, make a usb drive bootable, put the files there, set the boot order to the thumbdrive and type down the name of the files.

What's better, x370 or B350?

[Nocte]

4 minutes ago, MegaMadness said:

So I can just... 'Download' the BIOS update? No extra money or anything?

Yes, it's free. You download it, put it on a USB stick, boot in the BIOS and update it.

However, to access the BIOS of a non-updated X370/B350 motherboard you will need a first-gen Ryzen CPU.

Ask the store you are buying from to update it for you so that it will work with your 2700 straight away (they do not charge for it usually) and you do not have to go through the hassle of waiting for an upgrade kit from AMD (it's free, but it would take time).

 

I would go with a X470 board (no need to upgrade BIOS), stock cooler (good enough to do a medium overclock), and spend a bit more on the CPU to get 8 cores / 16 threads. You will smash anything that comes to you, especially while streaming!

[Nocte]

1 minute ago, MegaMadness said:

What's better, x370 or B350?

Depends from the board. Usually X370, but both chipsets can overclock.

There are crappy X370 boards and good ones, and same with B350s.