Buying New 144hz Monitor for Gaming

[Furiousmind]

Hello Linustech!

So basically i just decided i'll be buying a new  pc monitor for gaming!

For the last 10 years i owned a 26'' Samsung Syncmaster TN panel(Full HD) which was high end at the time.

Spec wise I Decided based on what i heard- to buy 144hz monitor. Thats a must- non negotiable.
Now from the rest of the specs i dont really know which is the best options to include and which not...

1.) G sync = How important is it? Basically i keep on hearing its super important-or that people tend to remove it because it limits frames etc... I own a 1060gtx -6gb Super Jetstream Palit Gpu. Since i cant really reach 144fps in any game- not even diablo 3 is it really needed to make it a priority?? Im an Nvidia fanboy-because i experienced better gaming through them many times. Tried to make a transition many times to amd for a cheaper option but never actually enjoyed it, and i hardly ever see myself going for AMD unless they make a major breakthrough and own nvidia.

2.) 1080p-1440p seems not important to me since i guess to reach a higher fps to use the 144hz i will have to limit to 1080p anyway am i wrong?

3.) Huge problem i have is i keep on hearing so many IPS panel lovers being really aggressive on not getting TN. However how important is 1ms vs 4ms to compensate for it(I am mostly casual gamer-but when there is a possible advantage i usually really like to capitalize on it)? And i keep on hearing that TN is terrible in colour representation and i definitely dont notice something bad in my old Samsung Syncmaster, which i wouldnt change unless the 144hz thing popped up... To be honest the thing i hate is when i see in some monitors reflecting back myself while playing a game... Is IPS the type of panel this happens at?

4.) 144hz vs 240 hz? In case i later buy a 1180 nvidia gpu is it worth it? I heard 240 vs 144hz isnt noticeable with a naked eye? I am a high end buyer usually but i try to be value for money and dont like paying for things i wont take advantage off- eg. paying extra for a g sync monitor then realizing g sync drops my frame rate and not using it again...

 

5.) How good is quantum dot?  Honestly i really enjoy the exaggeration in colours Samsung usually offers in their screens, but how good is quantum dot display??

Based on all those questions i am considering 3 gaming monitors which i only intend to use for gaming( i already have a 4k 55'' LG TV for movies etc) but im also free to any excellent suggestions since i blindly trust you guys.

Samsung C27FG73
Dell S2716DG
Samsung 27CHG70
Asus PG279Q


Samsung monitors dont have G-sync and i immediately removed them from the equation. Is this wise?

Dell S2716DG is one of my top contenders but i heard the colours are absolutely terrible- and its a no buy cause of tn.

And Asus which was everywhere advertised as the best out there, and as i was ready to buy it, i read Thousands literally disappointed buyers that say things about pixel problems and backlight bleeding... and returning them back and forth till they get a good model and risk is included in such a buy.

I intend to keep the monitor for 10 years, and for me 800 euro is extremely expensive but still considered. But is it worth it? Any alternatives with less risk involved and possibly at a lesser price? 
I play games like Diablo3-League of Legends- BF1- Overwatch- Hearthstone- Xcom2- GTA V  etc...

Huge thanks for anyone that took the time to read this and for any advice coming my way!

[Thinkfreely]

Over 100 hz your going to start to see less difference. Unless your dropping from 240 hz to 144hz, but not many games can push those frames even at 1080p.

 

I have both IPS and TN panels. After having IPS I don't think I could ever go back. To be fair its not that with proper calibration TN panels are bad, its just IPS does and can look much better.

 

1ms vs 4ms is really only important if you plan on doing FPS games a pro, otherwise even most enthusiasts won't know the difference.

 

If you plan on using Nvidia for the foreseeable future than Gsync is a great (although overpriced vs freesync) investment. It doesn't limit frames, it just makes sure your not getting any tearing. Only thing that limits frames is the refresh of the monitor and your GPU.

[Furiousmind]

Thank you very much for your opinion Thinkfreely. If you could read the rest of the topic i would really like to year your opinion on the rest of my questions!

[TurbulentWinds]

I just got a XB241H today (1080p, 180hz), and I have used a 1080p 60hz all my life. At first you don't really notice the refresh rate that much, I mean, it's there but it's not that big AH HA moment you expected. You kinda feel like shit. Why did I buy this thing? This sucks.

 

Then you set it up and start using it for a while. You start to notice little things, like scrolling on websites. It feels better and better. Then you play some games. Just like when you first started using it, you notice the high refresh rate at the start but it's not really significant. But the more you play, the more you feel it. And it feels great. It's something you have to let grow on you. It's not like this big YES, but more of a build up of little things.

 

I switched to 60hz mode. Wow. 180hz is so much better. How did I not notice how sucky this menu is? Scrolling is so choppy! Gaming is sluggish. Then, you switch back and its even better.

 

GSync or not?

Get it. It is so much better, I don't know how I will be able to go back. Games feel smooth even at like 30-40 FPS and there is no screen tearing at all. It is amazing.

 

On to your questions, 1080p or 1440p?

If you are ok with lowering settings all the way, go with 1440p.

If you want maxed gameplay then do 1080p.

 

Something that a lot of people don't think about is that all benchmarking is done at Ultra settings. Look up "Why Ultra Settings Suck" for an explanation of why this makes most benchmarks inaccurate for people like me who play on medium/low. When I turned down the settings, my 750 Ti could push 144 FPS in FortNite. With tweaking, 1440p will be fine!

 

IPS or TN?

The first thing I noticed when I turned on the monitor (TN) was that the colors were worse than my $150 Chromebook. It honestly is horrible and I might have to return the monitor because I do video editing, game development and programming and need good colors. The GameBoy Color probably has better RGB coverage than this. However, IPS doubles the cost of the monitor. Even after calibration, it still looks like crap. I have never in my life seen a worse screen. And for $350. I am going to slap the next Acer employee I see (JK). Games do look really bad, so unless you are running a second screen for games with good graphics, you need the IPS.

 

144hz or 240hz?

Above 100hz you don't really notice the difference. I am sure if you went from 240hz to 144hz, you would be able to tell the difference. Personally, I would go with 144hz unless 240hz is cheaper (for some reason 240hz is cheaper for me than 144hz??) because the difference is not something you will be aware of consciously. 

 

One thing to note:

My XB241H has a ton of vertical lines of pixels who's blue subpixels do not work right. I am going to have to RMA. With higher end IPS panels you should not have this happen.

 

Amazing deal for 1440p 144hz GSync:

https://www.amazon.com/Dell-S2417DG-24-Inch-LED-Lit-Monitor/dp/B01IOO4SGK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1512610756&sr=8-1&keywords=dell+144hz

 

[Thinkfreely]

So on monitor choice you just need to temper your expectations. Asus is by and far one of the best manufacturers out there, but there are always going to be people who have bad experiences or get a product with a defect. I personally have the Acer Predator 1440p IPS Gysnc 165 hz and I love it to death. Also I wouldn't bank on it being usable for 10 years. Were already on the cusp of 4k (Still not worth it but were getting closer) I anticipate that within 3-5 years it will be the new standard, if not possibly faster. The only thing holding them back in monitors and cost of GPU. Once we get 4k monitors capable of 144hz (already exist and coming out 2018 but at like $1500-$2000) and more importantly affordable GPUS that can push out 100-144hz plus on one GPU, then everything else in the industry will go away. So whatever you buy expect it will be good to game for at least 3 years, and potentially longer.

[Furiousmind]

Im going 27'' for sure, and no matter what happens even 12k in the next years, i know i am going to have to stay with this monitor for a long... long long time, in a galaxy far far away  + i doubt next 2 year gpus will push to 4k being playable with 144hz...

What do you guys think about the specific monitors i mention above? From what i understood,

ONLY IPS- with gsync at 144hz is my filter options... Lets narrow things,

only Screens that come up is
Asus PG279Q
AOC AG271QG

 

 

Unless i buy from another country online- how wise would that be with so many defective monitors? If i remove the gsync there is many more options available at Heavily lower prices... Im sure any technology out there is pretty nice to have, but priority wise?

E.g. to get the extra g sync i have to go to a price from 650Euro- to 850...
Also going IPS only  limits all possible canditates to only 1440p which are much more expensive... Is it worth it? When i started my budget was 400Euro- now it seems 850Euro and i still hear negative stuff about them burnt pixels about returning them and im kinda panicked...

[TurbulentWinds]

2 minutes ago, Furiousmind said:

Im going 27'' for sure, and no matter what happens even 12k in the next years, i know i am going to have to stay with this monitor for a long... long long time, in a galaxy far far away  + i doubt next 2 year gpus will push to 4k being playable with 144hz...

What do you guys think about the specific monitors i mention above? From what i understood,

ONLY IPS- with gsync at 144hz is my filter options... Lets narrow things,

only Screens that come up is
Asus PG279Q
AOC AG271QG

 

 

Unless i buy from another country online- how wise would that be with so many defective monitors? If i remove the gsync there is many more options available at Heavily lower prices... Im sure any technology out there is pretty nice to have, but priority wise?

E.g. to get the extra g sync i have to go to a price from 650Euro- to 850...
Also going IPS only  limits all possible canditates to only 1440p which are much more expensive... Is it worth it? When i started my budget was 400Euro- now it seems 850Euro and i still hear negative stuff about them burnt pixels about returning them and im kinda panicked...

Basically, if it's out of your budget, don't get IPS. It effectively doubles the price. Since you are coming from TN, another TN will not look so bad. I came from a highly color accurate IPS panel, so the difference is huge.