First Gaming Build - Help

[NachoILF]

Hi All,  first post!!!

 

First I'm going to put you all in context.

 

I'm from Argentina (sorry if a make any tipo or grammar) and the prices here a LOT higher. Also all the prices are in U$D.

Right know I have a Gigabyte P35X wich I am going to sell.

 

Here the posible builds:

• Option 1:  Top of the line

Intel Core i7 7700K                                                                   $ 467.50
Corsair Hydro H100i V2 Water Cooling                                    $ 195.00
Memoy DDR4 Corsair Vengeance Rgb 16gb 3000mhz           $ 225.00
Mother Asus Rog Strix Z270e Gaming Intel Z270                    $ 268.75
Msi Nvidia Gaming X Gtx 1080 8gb                                          $ 843.75
Western Digital 1TB Blue                                                            $ 62.50
Case Nzxt S340 Black Matt                                                       $ 100.00
PSU Corsair Rm850x  850w                                                      $ 287.50

Total aprox.                                                                              $ 2450.00    Pretty High 

 

• Option 2:  More affordable

Intel Core i5 7600K                                                                    $ 331.25
Corsair Hydro H100i V2 Water Cooling                                     $ 195.00
Memoria DDR4 Corsair Vengeance Lpx 8gb 2400mhz               $ 87.50
Mother MSI Z270 Gaming M3                                                    $ 187.50
Asus Nvidia Geforce Gtx 1070 8gb Strix                                    $ 606.25
Western Digital 1tb Blue                                                               $ 62.50
Case Nzxt S340 Negro Azul                                                        $100.00
PSU Evga GQ Gold 650w                                                           $175.00

Total aprox.                                                                               $ 1745.00

 

Ok, some details:

I know there is no SSD, I already own one.

I already own a keyboard and mice, Microsoft Wireless, not gamer but I dont have any more money on the budget ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The CPU cooling is the same since in my country there is only 30 bucks between the H100i v2 and the H80i v2 so I see no point in there. (Maybe I'm wrong)

The PSU in option 1 is a bit overkill since for all that build you need 440W aprox. but i wanted something quiet (almost 24/7 PC) and that is the smallest RMx (Zero fan mode) you can buy here.

I am going to play on a 32~40" LED TV FullHD <<< I also need to buy that.   NO money for a gaming monitor(144Hz, G-Sync, etc.) those monitors here cost 1000 U$D the chepest  and can go to $1900.

 

My plan is to play the upcoming AAA games of 2017 and 2018, some examples: Destiny 2, NFS Payback, ANTHEM) at 1920x1080, High settings and if posible Ultra.

Where I live (Argentina) you cannot import this stuff, not even by mail. So I am stuck with those HIGH prices ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

So, any suggestions? Any change on any option to get more bangs for my bucks?

 

Thanks for all and sorry for the long post!!!

 

 

[Billy_Mays]

Get Ryzen better thermals and cheaper (better price to performance in some titles)

[Thunderzzu]

I'd take the first option, but without the nonsense - no RGB ram (at least 16GB though), and also you could almost definitely get a cheaper motherboard...  Regarding the watercooling, i guess you could find a cheaper AIO or build a custom loop, just check the reviews before.

 

 

[rn8686]

Better yet, R5 seeings as your just playing at 60hz (the 1080 is a bit of a waste for that, but mid range cards arent really an option ATM). 

[NachoILF]

7 minutes ago, Billy_Mays said:

Get Ryzen better thermals and cheaper (better price to performance in some titles)

Well here as it is something new it cost the same or even more. Here when something new launches instead of lowering old ones they put the new stuff al lets say 25~50% more. This apply for everything. (TV, cars, cellphones)

6 minutes ago, Thunderzzu said:

I'd take the first option, but without the nonsense - no RGB ram (at least 16GB though), and also you could almost definitely get a cheaper motherboard...  Regarding the watercooling, i guess you could find a cheaper AIO or build a custom loop, just check the reviews before.

 

 

Thanks, in the first option, when I researched those RGB where only $5 more expensive, so I was like "Screw it lets go for the RGB" now I will use the Corsair Vengeance Lpx

[CardinalHunter]

29 minutes ago, NachoILF said:

Hi All,  first post!!!

 

First I'm going to put you all in context.

 

I'm from Argentina (sorry if a make any tipo or grammar) and the prices here a LOT higher. Also all the prices are in U$D.

Right know I have a Gigabyte P35X wich I am going to sell.

 

Here the posible builds:

• Option 1:  Top of the line

Intel Core i7 7700K                                                                   $ 467.50
Corsair Hydro H100i V2 Water Cooling                                    $ 195.00
Memoy DDR4 Corsair Vengeance Rgb 16gb 3000mhz           $ 225.00
Mother Asus Rog Strix Z270e Gaming Intel Z270                    $ 268.75
Msi Nvidia Gaming X Gtx 1080 8gb                                          $ 843.75
Western Digital 1TB Blue                                                            $ 62.50
Case Nzxt S340 Black Matt                                                       $ 100.00
PSU Corsair Rm850x  850w                                                      $ 287.50

Total aprox.                                                                              $ 2450.00    Pretty High 

 

• Option 2:  More affordable

Intel Core i5 7600K                                                                    $ 331.25
Corsair Hydro H100i V2 Water Cooling                                     $ 195.00
Memoria DDR4 Corsair Vengeance Lpx 8gb 2400mhz               $ 87.50
Mother MSI Z270 Gaming M3                                                    $ 187.50
Asus Nvidia Geforce Gtx 1070 8gb Strix                                    $ 606.25
Western Digital 1tb Blue                                                               $ 62.50
Case Nzxt S340 Negro Azul                                                        $100.00
PSU Evga GQ Gold 650w                                                           $175.00

Total aprox.                                                                               $ 1745.00

 

Ok, some details:

I know there is no SSD, I already own one.

I already own a keyboard and mice, Microsoft Wireless, not gamer but I dont have any more money on the budget ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The CPU cooling is the same since in my country there is only 30 bucks between the H100i v2 and the H80i v2 so I see no point in there. (Maybe I'm wrong)

The PSU in option 1 is a bit overkill since for all that build you need 440W aprox. but i wanted something quiet (almost 24/7 PC) and that is the smallest RMx (Zero fan mode) you can buy here.

I am going to play on a 32~40" LED TV FullHD <<< I also need to buy that.   NO money for a gaming monitor(144Hz, G-Sync, etc.) those monitors here cost 1000 U$D the chepest  and can go to $1900.

 

My plan is to play the upcoming AAA games of 2017 and 2018, some examples: Destiny 2, NFS Payback, ANTHEM) at 1920x1080, High settings and if posible Ultra.

Where I live (Argentina) you cannot import this stuff, not even by mail. So I am stuck with those HIGH prices ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

So, any suggestions? Any change on any option to get more bangs for my bucks?

 

Thanks for all and sorry for the long post!!!

 

 

Frankly just don't buy the 7700k it's bad value go ryzen if you think ryzen is slower you're not wrong but ryzen while being slower in gaming provides a smoother gameplay if that makes sense since the games can utilise more than 4 cores though I could be wrong it's like the 1% low is better overall compared to the 4 cores on  the i7 as for option b I would go for a ryzen 5 1600 or 1600x if you can afford it since you're gonna get a binned chip for higher clockspeed in your use case I would go option b with ryzen 5

[DocSwag]

3 minutes ago, NachoILF said:

Well here as it is something new it cost the same or even more. Here when something new launches instead of lowering old ones they put the new stuff al lets say 25~50% more. This apply for everything. (TV, cars, cellphones)

Thanks, in the first option, when I researched those RGB where only $5 more expensive, so I was like "Screw it lets go for the RGB" now I will use the Corsair Vengeance Lpx

Would you be straining to get enough money to get the first option?

[Thunderzzu]

3 minutes ago, NachoILF said:

Well here as it is something new it cost the same or even more. Here when something new launches instead of lowering old ones they put the new stuff al lets say 25~50% more. This apply for everything. (TV, cars, cellphones)

Thanks, in the first option, when I researched those RGB where only $5 more expensive, so I was like "Screw it lets go for the RGB" now I will use the Corsair Vengeance Lpx

I've found a 60€ difference in the motherboards here in Slovenia... Try checking there too. This one vs. the Z270e is a lot cheaper - Gigabyte GA-Z270X-GAMING K5 ATX

[DocSwag]

Just now, CardinalHunter said:

Frankly just don't buy the 7700k it's bad value go ryzen if you think ryzen is slower you're not wrong but ryzen while being slower in gaming provides a smoother gameplay if that makes sense since the games can utilise more than 4 cores though I could be wrong it's like the 1% low is better overall compared to the 4 cores on  the i7 as for option b I would go for a ryzen 5 1600 or 1600x if you can afford it since you're gonna get a binned chip for higher clockspeed in your use case I would go option b with ryzen 5

Smoother gameplay? Mind providing a source?

 

This is completely incorrect, Ryzen does provide better minimums than i5 CPUs but i7 still has better minimums.

 

If you read above, you'd see that Ryzen is significantly more expensive in his country.

[NachoILF]

6 minutes ago, rn8686 said:

Better yet, R5 seeings as your just playing at 60hz (the 1080 is a bit of a waste for that, but mid range cards arent really an option ATM). 

Same case as Billy_Mays says, the difference here between  AMD Ryzen R5 1600 and Intel i5 7600k is $50, being the R5 the expensive one

[rn8686]

1 minute ago, NachoILF said:

Same case as Billy_Mays says, the difference here between  AMD Ryzen R5 1600 and Intel i5 7600k is $50, being the R5 the expensive one

Then get the 1400 or 1500, still going to be better overall. 

[Jurrunio]

1 minute ago, rn8686 said:

Then get the 1400 or 1500, still going to be better overall. 

Disagree. If a 1600 costs $50 more than 7600k, 1400 or 1500x will be at the same price range with the 7600k. Both are quad cores with 8 threads, so i5 is a clear winner.

 

For @NachoILF, I made this using slightly older skylake parts. Just a general idea.

[rn8686]

5 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Disagree. If a 1600 costs $50 more than 7600k, 1400 or 1500x will be at the same price range with the 7600k. Both are quad cores with 8 threads, so i5 is a clear winner.

 

For @NachoILF, I made this using slightly older skylake parts. Just a general idea.

Since when do i5s have 8 threads? 

[Billy_Mays]

9 minutes ago, NachoILF said:

Well here as it is something new it cost the same or even more. Here when something new launches instead of lowering old ones they put the new stuff al lets say 25~50% more. This apply for everything. (TV, cars, cellphones)

Thanks, in the first option, when I researched those RGB where only $5 more expensive, so I was like "Screw it lets go for the RGB" now I will use the Corsair Vengeance Lpx

Ok so it's more wise to go that path instead of Ryzen and the reason why it's 25-50% higher is because they want to clear their warehouses and make room for new stuff and count in import taxes and tariffs 

[Jurrunio]

Just now, rn8686 said:

Since when to i5s have 8 threads? 

oops, missed that. But heck, it can overclock much further.

[rn8686]

Just now, Jurrunio said:

oops, missed that. But heck, it can overclock much further.

That is variable, but overall they will still trade in averages, but R5 will be better for 1% lows and frame times. 

[NachoILF]

Thunderzzu thanks, but here it cost the same as the Strix

[Billy_Mays]

2 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Disagree. If a 1600 costs $50 more than 7600k, 1400 or 1500x will be at the same price range with the 7600k. Both are quad cores with 8 threads, so i5 is a clear winner.

 

For @NachoILF, I made this using slightly older skylake parts. Just a general idea.

A 7600K does not and never the i5 line will have hyper threading only i7s will (unless Intel has a stupid plan and change their core and thread count around for consumer platforms which won't happen) and I'm not a AMD fan boy one bit I'm neutral o both of them

[Billy_Mays]

2 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

oops, missed that. But heck, it can overclock much further.

Which one has a lower stock clock?

[NachoILF]

5 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Disagree. If a 1600 costs $50 more than 7600k, 1400 or 1500x will be at the same price range with the 7600k. Both are quad cores with 8 threads, so i5 is a clear winner.

 

For @NachoILF, I made this using slightly older skylake parts. Just a general idea.

You might not bealive me but 6700k is at the same price or even more expensive tan 7700k.

[rn8686]

What OP could do is save on the cooler and buy a 1600 with that (Use stock cooler, it can OC fine), I suspect a B250 motherboard will be cheaper also (Dont know where OP is buying from though). 

[Jurrunio]

Just now, NachoILF said:

You might not bealive me but 6700k is at the same price or even more expensive tan 7700k.

.... DAM

3 minutes ago, Billy_Mays said:

Which one has a lower stock clock?

1400

[NachoILF]

6 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

.... DAM

1400

Yhea, here prices do not have any ......any logic at all.

[NachoILF]

I forgot to say that my budget is around Option 2:  $1745.00.

Option 1 is mearly to show you guys the cost of high end parts.

And the question should be "What can I replace in option 2 to get more power with same bufget or slightly more?"

 

Hope it is not confusing. Is it?

 

And thanks for all the help and tips !!!

[Billy_Mays]

13 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

.... DAM

1400

And that prevents it from OCing further because more voltage creates more heat