Budget Grampa Pc

[Couzintony]

im gonna be building my father in law a new pc... all he does i watch youtube and plays browser based flash games... (i made a post about this already... lolz)

 

I am gonna to use his old HDD but other then that this is what i got for the build so far:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($61.99 @ Jet) 
Motherboard: ASRock B250M-HDV Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($67.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Memory: Mushkin Essentials 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($49.88 @ OutletPC) 
Case: Xion XON-310_BK MicroATX Mid Tower Case  ($21.98 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic 520W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($52.89 @ Newegg) 
Total: $254.73
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-02-24 06:04 EST-0500

 

[Herman Mcpootis]

not bad. i'd get 1x8gb for future expandibility(even though he doesn't need it ).  

[Aereldor]

27 minutes ago, Couzintony said:

im gonna be building my father in law a new pc... all he does i watch youtube and plays browser based flash games... (i made a post about this already... lolz)

 

I am gonna to use his old HDD but other then that this is what i got for the build so far:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($61.99 @ Jet) 
Motherboard: ASRock B250M-HDV Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($67.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Memory: Mushkin Essentials 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($49.88 @ OutletPC) 
Case: Xion XON-310_BK MicroATX Mid Tower Case  ($21.98 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic 520W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($52.89 @ Newegg) 
Total: $254.73
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-02-24 06:04 EST-0500

 

You don't need a 520W M12II power supply, and you can fit in a sizeable SSD on that budget.

Just make sure you buy the H110 motherboard from a computer store. Make sure it's manufactured after November 2016, as that means it'll already be updated to support Kabylake, and you won't need to update the BIOS with a placeholder CPU.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($61.99 @ Jet) 
Motherboard: Asus H110M-E/M.2 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($46.98 @ Newegg) 
Memory: Mushkin Essentials 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($49.88 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: ADATA Premier SP550 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($69.99 @ NCIX US) 
Case: Xion XON-310_BK MicroATX Mid Tower Case  ($26.98 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Antec Basiq 350W ATX Power Supply  ($28.50 @ Amazon) 
Total: $284.32
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-02-24 06:25 EST-0500

[Couzintony]

9 hours ago, Aereldor said:

You don't need a 520W M12II power supply, and you can fit in a sizeable SSD on that budget.

Just make sure you buy the H110 motherboard from a computer store. Make sure it's manufactured after November 2016, as that means it'll already be updated to support Kabylake, and you won't need to update the BIOS with a placeholder CPU.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($61.99 @ Jet) 
Motherboard: Asus H110M-E/M.2 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($46.98 @ Newegg) 
Memory: Mushkin Essentials 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($49.88 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: ADATA Premier SP550 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($69.99 @ NCIX US) 
Case: Xion XON-310_BK MicroATX Mid Tower Case  ($26.98 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Antec Basiq 350W ATX Power Supply  ($28.50 @ Amazon) 
Total: $284.32
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-02-24 06:25 EST-0500

Thanks a lot... I think this is gonna be great for him... n under $300.... Lolz 

[Couzintony]

57 minutes ago, wrathoftheturkey said:

Good choices, damn. Where's the drive?

I was planning on using his old hdd... but I'm just gonna put in a new sdd for him....

[NumLock21]

11 hours ago, Aereldor said:

You don't need a 520W M12II power supply, and you can fit in a sizeable SSD on that budget.

Just make sure you buy the H110 motherboard from a computer store. Make sure it's manufactured after November 2016, as that means it'll already be updated to support Kabylake, and you won't need to update the BIOS with a placeholder CPU.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($61.99 @ Jet) 
Motherboard: Asus H110M-E/M.2 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($46.98 @ Newegg) 
Memory: Mushkin Essentials 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($49.88 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: ADATA Premier SP550 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($69.99 @ NCIX US) 
Case: Xion XON-310_BK MicroATX Mid Tower Case  ($26.98 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Antec Basiq 350W ATX Power Supply  ($28.50 @ Amazon) 
Total: $284.32
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-02-24 06:25 EST-0500

CPU is kaby lake while chipset is skylake, it will need a bios update. Get B250.

[Aereldor]

6 hours ago, NumLock21 said:

CPU is kaby lake while chipset is skylake, it will need a bios update. Get B250.

You quoted my post, but didn't read it. 

 

18 hours ago, Aereldor said:

Just make sure you buy the H110 motherboard from a computer store. Make sure it's manufactured after November 2016, as that means it'll already be updated to support Kabylake, and you won't need to update the BIOS with a placeholder CPU.

 

H110 boards use the same socket, and the chipset can be updated to support Kabylake CPUs, and if the manufacturing date of the motherboard is after the appropriate BIOS update was released (typically November 2016) then it will already ship with an updated BIOS.

[NumLock21]

9 hours ago, Aereldor said:

You quoted my post, but didn't read it. 

 

 

H110 boards use the same socket, and the chipset can be updated to support Kabylake CPUs, and if the manufacturing date of the motherboard is after the appropriate BIOS update was released (typically November 2016) then it will already ship with an updated BIOS.

No store is going to look at all the boards for the manufacturing date, to determine if the board has the updated bios or not. There will be time when first shipment will have the older bios and newer shipment might have the newer bios.  Op wants to take that option by getting a cheaper board, then it's up to him. If cpu don't work with board, he can then take it back and pay a service charge for them to update it.

B250 supports ddr4 2400, designed specifically for kabylake. H110 is stuck at ddr4 2133.

[Aereldor]

4 hours ago, NumLock21 said:

No store is going to look at all the boards for the manufacturing date, to determine if the board has the updated bios or not. There will be time when first shipment will have the older bios and newer shipment might have the newer bios.  Op wants to take that option by getting a cheaper board, then it's up to him. If cpu don't work with board, he can then take it back and pay a service charge for them to update it.

B250 supports ddr4 2400, designed specifically for kabylake. H110 is stuck at ddr4 2133.

The manufacturing date comes printed on the label. I suggested going to a store because OP is literate and can read the manufacturing dates himself/herself, and have a smartphone on hand to see when the updates for each motherboard came out.

 

The benefits of DDR4 2400 over 2133 aren't exactly astronomical. The word I'm looking for is 'negligible', especially considering that 2400MHz DIMMs or kits at the same price will usually have slightly worse latency performance. 

The cheapest H110 motherboard plus a service charge (if they're kind enough to do that) will still be cheaper than a B250 board, and will offer near-identical performance. Sure, B250 is a far better chipsets, but once again, the differences aren't game-changing.

[NumLock21]

49 minutes ago, Aereldor said:

The manufacturing date comes printed on the label. I suggested going to a store because OP is literate and can read the manufacturing dates himself/herself, and have a smartphone on hand to see when the updates for each motherboard came out.

 

The benefits of DDR4 2400 over 2133 aren't exactly astronomical. The word I'm looking for is 'negligible', especially considering that 2400MHz DIMMs or kits at the same price will usually have slightly worse latency performance. 

The cheapest H110 motherboard plus a service charge (if they're kind enough to do that) will still be cheaper than a B250 board, and will offer near-identical performance. Sure, B250 is a far better chipsets, but once again, the differences aren't game-changing.

Unless the store has the patience to help him look for one, no employee will go the time trying to find a board, by looking at every serial number to determine which board will work straight out of the box with Kaby Lake. Even if they did manged to find it,there is no guarantee that it will have the updated bios, due to different shipment batches. Motherboard not are not place on store shelves where you can just grab one, they're mostly locked behind the glass counter or hidden from plain sight.

Want to save up and waste more time on it later on, if it does not work, get H110.

Want save time by spend a bit more on parts, you know it will work, get B250.

 

 

 

[Aereldor]

11 hours ago, NumLock21 said:

Unless the store has the patience to help him look for one, no employee will go the time trying to find a board, by looking at every serial number to determine which board will work straight out of the box with Kaby Lake. Even if they did manged to find it,there is no guarantee that it will have the updated bios, due to different shipment batches. Motherboard not are not place on store shelves where you can just grab one, they're mostly locked behind the glass counter or hidden from plain sight.

Want to save up and waste more time on it later on, if it does not work, get H110.

Want save time by spend a bit more on parts, you know it will work, get B250.

I've never had trouble with that. The manufacturing date on labels was pretty clear when I was in the market for a B85 board that worked with Haswell Refresh without a BIOS update- I found a few that were new enough to be update, and a few that werent'. The one I settled on was a board that didn't need an update and had nicer power delivery.

 

OP need only ask for the newest cheap H110 boards in stock, or ask to see a few boxes to determine the manufacturing date. if the CPU doesn't work, a service charge still won't make it more expensive than a B250 board, and save him/her some money.

That's another $20 or so OP can spend on slightly better hardware, like more RAM for multitasking, a nicer case, a Wi-Fi card to avoid the hassle of an ethernet cable, or a pair of cheap speakers his/her grandfather can use with the computer. All of those make a greater difference than a little more I/O and DDR4-2400 support.

[nick1188]

On 24/02/2017 at 4:40 PM, Couzintony said:

im gonna be building my father in law a new pc... all he does i watch youtube and plays browser based flash games... (i made a post about this already... lolz)

 

Based on the requirements, it's really not required to go for intel as well.

An AMD build could do it as well.

I know it's gonna get a lot of hate for suggesting build to be done using quite old tech compared to SkyLake or KabyLake.

Just want to put it forward, so if it suits you could go for it.

 

CPU: AMD A8 7600

MoBo: Asus A68HM-K

RAM: Kingston FURY Memory - 8GB Module - DDR3 1866MHz CL10 DIMM

PSU: Corsair VS450 450W Power supply

SSD:  ADATA Premier SP550 240GB

Case: Xion XON-310_BK Mid tower cabinet

 

Just an FYI, I have done this build for my dad, and he's pretty satisfied with it.

His Usage: Casual Gaming(Age of Empires, Spintires, Don Bradman Cricket 14, Fifa series), Youtube Videos, working on spreadsheets and PPTs.

 

Regards,

Nick1188

[Aereldor]

3 hours ago, nick1188 said:

Based on the requirements, it's really not required to go for intel as well.

An AMD build could do it as well.

I know it's gonna get a lot of hate for suggesting build to be done using quite old tech compared to SkyLake or KabyLake.

Just want to put it forward, so if it suits you could go for it.

 

CPU: AMD A8 7600

MoBo: Asus A68HM-K

RAM: Kingston FURY Memory - 8GB Module - DDR3 1866MHz CL10 DIMM

PSU: Corsair VS450 450W Power supply

SSD:  ADATA Premier SP550 240GB

Case: Xion XON-310_BK Mid tower cabinet

 

Just an FYI, I have done this build for my dad, and he's pretty satisfied with it.

His Usage: Casual Gaming(Age of Empires, Spintires, Don Bradman Cricket 14, Fifa series), Youtube Videos, working on spreadsheets and PPTs.

 

Regards,

Nick1188

This is a horrible build. The Pentium G4560 will run circles around this outdated processor for less money, and that power supply is HORRIBLE. It's a fire hazard.

Stop writing off disagreement as irrational hate- your recommendation is objectively bad in terms of value, performance, and upgradability.

 

If you want to recommend AMD CPUs for low-end builds, wait till Ryzen 3 and the Raven Ridge APUs are out.